Long run before full marathon
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2008-09-15 11:35 AM |
Regular 319 Ontario | Subject: Long run before full marathon I am getting ready for the Detroit Half Marathon right now but am considering upgrading to the full. I have not been logging my data on the site for the last few months, but have been training diligently, doing 30-45 KM a week. I currently have 2 runs in that are over the 1/2 marathon distance. This weekend I did a 20 mile event and finished in under 4 hours. Is that a good enough indication that I might be able to do the full, or should I have a longer run before the race to decide? |
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2008-09-15 11:41 AM in reply to: #1674718 |
Elite 2661 DC Metro, slowly working my way to NC | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon When I did my marathon, I used Hal Higdon's training plan, and the final "really long run" was 20 miles. I'd say go for it! |
2008-09-15 11:48 AM in reply to: #1674718 |
Elite 3371 | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon How long until the event? Unless you've got over 2 months, I wouldn't do it. 30-45km a week isn't near enough mileage to properly train for a mary. You should have at least 5 runs that are 15 miles or more. Could you finish? Probably. Should you? Probably not, unless there is still ample time to train for it. I'd stick with the original plan and run the half. |
2008-09-15 11:52 AM in reply to: #1674756 |
Regular 319 Ontario | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon steveseer - 2008-09-15 12:48 PM How long until the event? Unless you've got over 2 months, I wouldn't do it. 30-45km a week isn't near enough mileage to properly train for a mary. You should have at least 5 runs that are 15 miles or more. Could you finish? Probably. Should you? Probably not, unless there is still ample time to train for it. I'd stick with the original plan and run the half. I am looking about a month from now. The last 2 weeks I have been doing the workout of the marathon group at my gym, rather than the half. I'd be comfortable to finish the half and could probably break 2:15. For the full, I'd be looking at 5:00. I might hold off until the spring for the full. |
2008-09-15 11:59 AM in reply to: #1674718 |
Master 1547 | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon how about a comprimise? Do the half in a month (esp if it's your first) then continue training and knock out the Mary in Jan. This way you get a nice "test" run now and then you go into the Mary fully trained. I am in a similar situation and I decided to the half next month and still deciding on a Dec or Jan Mary. |
2008-09-15 12:26 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
108 | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon I say don't do the marathon. Based on my math, you are doing 18 - 28 miles per week. That's not nearly enough. Yes, you may be able to get through it, but you don't have the base to make sure you can do it without injury. While training for a marathon, you should do several runs that are over the half marathon distance, usually bumping up from 14, 16, 18 and to 20 miles. The half marathon distance should feel easy. Even with this training, there is still a big difference between 20 and 26 miles. Sounds like you have a good base to train for a marathon, just not in a month. There are so many marathons, don't rush and do this one. There will be others and you can be much better prepared. |
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2008-09-15 12:30 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon 35 - 40k a week? Sure, that's a great starting point for marathon training ........ You should be peaking at 40+ miles a week to comfortably run one. Could you finish? Probably without any issues. Would you enjoy the experience? In my opinion, no. I don't understand everyone's desire to rush into long distance stuff. You've got plenty of time to build up to it and you will enjoy it more when you can comfortably know that you've trained enough for it. Take your time, enjoy the 1/2 and set another longer goal for next year! |
2008-09-15 12:30 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon My motto is "just do it". I always jump into stuff and it turns out fine. I'm training for a marathon in 2 months. I just started marathon training because i am still in full stride for my HIM training. I'll probably average 25-30 miles a week at the most in my training. An i only run 3 times a week. |
2008-09-15 12:58 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
Fishers, IN | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon My first marathon, I kind of jumped in in the last minute due to being on a trip the week that the Napa marathon was held. I did this off of a reasonably consistent 50 mpw schedule without any long runs. I was able to get by in 3:29:xx, but it was the most painful experience I have ever had. I learned to appreciate hydration and glycogen. Your kind of flip sided. Low miles with one long run. If you recover reasonably well and can get 1-2 more long runs in you will be OK-probably less pain than me. The long runs are key to a less painful marathon, the volume plus long runs are key to a fast one. 20 miles is long enough, but I would not be doing one on a single long run and low mileage. By the way, I would not trade that first marathon experience for the world, but knowing how it felt afterwards kept me away for awhile. |
2008-09-15 12:59 PM in reply to: #1674756 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon steveseer - 2008-09-14 6:48 PM How long until the event? Unless you've got over 2 months, I wouldn't do it. 30-45km a week isn't near enough mileage to properly train for a mary. You should have at least 5 runs that are 15 miles or more. Could you finish? Probably. Should you? Probably not, unless there is still ample time to train for it. I'd stick with the original plan and run the half. Why not? You should reference the final time. If he is chasing to run in 6hrs, why not? In running, everything depend on the pace you want to achieve. We need his target time before judging |
2008-09-15 1:00 PM in reply to: #1674922 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon Daremo - 2008-09-14 7:30 PM 35 - 40k a week? Sure, that's a great starting point for marathon training ........ You should be peaking at 40+ miles a week to comfortably run one. Could you finish? Probably without any issues. Would you enjoy the experience? In my opinion, no. I don't understand everyone's desire to rush into long distance stuff. You've got plenty of time to build up to it and you will enjoy it more when you can comfortably know that you've trained enough for it. Take your time, enjoy the 1/2 and set another longer goal for next year! x2 great post |
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2008-09-15 1:23 PM in reply to: #1675004 |
Elite 3371 | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon Plissken74 - 2008-09-15 1:59 PM steveseer - 2008-09-14 6:48 PM How long until the event? Unless you've got over 2 months, I wouldn't do it. 30-45km a week isn't near enough mileage to properly train for a mary. You should have at least 5 runs that are 15 miles or more. Could you finish? Probably. Should you? Probably not, unless there is still ample time to train for it. I'd stick with the original plan and run the half. Why not? You should reference the final time. If he is chasing to run in 6hrs, why not? In running, everything depend on the pace you want to achieve. We need his target time before judging Actually, you shouldn't reference the final time. His body is ready to properly run a half. His body isn't ready to properly run a full. He can have a good half marathon or a crappy full. The choice seems fairly obvious. |
2008-09-15 1:24 PM in reply to: #1674923 |
Elite 3371 | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon ballyard7 - 2008-09-15 1:30 PM My motto is "just do it". I always jump into stuff and it turns out fine. I'm training for a marathon in 2 months. I just started marathon training because i am still in full stride for my HIM training. I'll probably average 25-30 miles a week at the most in my training. An i only run 3 times a week. Sure, if you want to risk injury and never run up to your potential, this is a great idea. |
2008-09-15 1:26 PM in reply to: #1675008 |
Elite 3371 | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon Plissken74 - 2008-09-15 2:00 PM Daremo - 2008-09-14 7:30 PM 35 - 40k a week? Sure, that's a great starting point for marathon training ........ You should be peaking at 40+ miles a week to comfortably run one. Could you finish? Probably without any issues. Would you enjoy the experience? In my opinion, no. I don't understand everyone's desire to rush into long distance stuff. You've got plenty of time to build up to it and you will enjoy it more when you can comfortably know that you've trained enough for it. Take your time, enjoy the 1/2 and set another longer goal for next year! x2 great post Also funny how this is a great post but you questioned my first one, being that they're saying basically the same thing. |
2008-09-15 1:28 PM in reply to: #1675083 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon |
2008-09-15 1:29 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
Regular 319 Ontario | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon The ting that seems to be most convincing for doing just the half is body feedback, which is hard to argue with. I have never run a race where I had to take walk breaks. I know I can do the 1/2 straight, but a full is beyond that goal right now. What realy resonated with me were the responses that pointed out I coul do a full, but at what cost? Yeah, I am going to do the half. Thanks for the feedback and for helping to clarify what was already in my head. BT to the rescue again. |
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2008-09-15 1:37 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
Champion 6993 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon There is an old saying if you can run 20 miles you can run 26.2 miles. If you do not care about your finishing time and you do not care about how much its going to hurt then I say go for it. Then again I am the go for it type. I the kinda guy who is upset that I can not run a marathon this weekend. 5:00 or 5:10 I think would be a resonible goal based on your half time. If your the person who will hate himself for crashing at 22 miles and forced to walk I would not do it. Doing a race undertrained is possible but you have to let go any ego you have. People who you might have smoked during the half might smoke you during the full because your undertrained. |
2008-09-15 1:58 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
The Original 7834 Raleigh/Durham | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon I think it's smart to stick with the 1/2. What I would do is try to run a full marathon later in the season and properly train for it. That way, you can enjoy your first marathon experience and not feel "rushed" to get the longer runs in. And you can go into the race knowing you're ready since you've done the proper training, instead of hoping that you're ready. |
2008-09-15 2:01 PM in reply to: #1675074 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon steveseer - 2008-09-14 8:23 PM Actually, you shouldn't reference the final time. His body is ready to properly run a half. His body isn't ready to properly run a full. He can have a good half marathon or a crappy full. The choice seems fairly obvious. Who said he is going to run? He is going to do a marathon. What if he walks and run and finishes in 6 hrs? |
2008-09-15 2:01 PM in reply to: #1675083 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon steveseer - 2008-09-14 8:26 PM Plissken74 - 2008-09-15 2:00 PM Daremo - 2008-09-14 7:30 PM 35 - 40k a week? Sure, that's a great starting point for marathon training ........ You should be peaking at 40+ miles a week to comfortably run one. Could you finish? Probably without any issues. Would you enjoy the experience? In my opinion, no. I don't understand everyone's desire to rush into long distance stuff. You've got plenty of time to build up to it and you will enjoy it more when you can comfortably know that you've trained enough for it. Take your time, enjoy the 1/2 and set another longer goal for next year! x2 great post Also funny how this is a great post but you questioned my first one, being that they're saying basically the same thing. It was totally different |
2008-09-15 2:06 PM in reply to: #1675188 |
Elite 3371 | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon Plissken74 - 2008-09-15 3:01 PM steveseer - 2008-09-14 8:26 PM Plissken74 - 2008-09-15 2:00 PM Daremo - 2008-09-14 7:30 PM 35 - 40k a week? Sure, that's a great starting point for marathon training ........ You should be peaking at 40+ miles a week to comfortably run one. Could you finish? Probably without any issues. Would you enjoy the experience? In my opinion, no. I don't understand everyone's desire to rush into long distance stuff. You've got plenty of time to build up to it and you will enjoy it more when you can comfortably know that you've trained enough for it. Take your time, enjoy the 1/2 and set another longer goal for next year! x2 great post Also funny how this is a great post but you questioned my first one, being that they're saying basically the same thing. It was totally different lol. Clearly. |
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2008-09-15 2:23 PM in reply to: #1675202 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon steveseer - 2008-09-14 9:06 PM Plissken74 - 2008-09-15 3:01 PM steveseer - 2008-09-14 8:26 PM Plissken74 - 2008-09-15 2:00 PM Daremo - 2008-09-14 7:30 PM 35 - 40k a week? Sure, that's a great starting point for marathon training ........ You should be peaking at 40+ miles a week to comfortably run one. Could you finish? Probably without any issues. Would you enjoy the experience? In my opinion, no. I don't understand everyone's desire to rush into long distance stuff. You've got plenty of time to build up to it and you will enjoy it more when you can comfortably know that you've trained enough for it. Take your time, enjoy the 1/2 and set another longer goal for next year! x2 great post Also funny how this is a great post but you questioned my first one, being that they're saying basically the same thing. It was totally different lol. Clearly. I see that it is difficult to understand. Daremo said he is going probably to finish and you were commenting that finishing can be an issue (in summary). Is it the same? No Is it clear now? If my mother leaves my home tomorrow morning, probably tomorrow evening does 26miles. This is the point I was highlighting.
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2008-09-15 2:42 PM in reply to: #1674718 |
Regular 319 Ontario | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon I definitely want to be able to run the whole think. If walking and finishing time didn't matter, well then there is no distance I couldn't do. |
2008-09-15 3:08 PM in reply to: #1675291 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Long run before full marathon There are a ton of plans out there for beginners and for people looking to just finish with a smile. I would recommend Hal Higdon's beginner plan from www.halhigdon.com and while he has more aggressive plans, the beginner one has gotten many people through the run successfully. I had a good friend and co-worker use it and I also paced him and he had a great run finishing right under his goal time. You just have to make sure you follow the plan well and train in conditions and on routes as similar as you can to your planned race. Good luck with it!! |