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2008-12-30 12:38 PM

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Subject: Triathlete magazine's Essential week by week training guide
Im looking at my book right now.... and typing out a program on excel to fallow for next year.

for a HIM last year i fallowed level 3 and moved up to 4 half way threw the 20 weeks.

Im thinking that I want to start at 3 and move up to 4 again for my first HIM of the year kansas 70.3 and would like to move up to level 5 or 6 for my last HIM of the year in october long horn.

The problem that i am finding is that in 3 and 4 the days were split up on to Swim and Run same days then bike other days. but in level 5 and 6 they are set up swim and bike together and run the other days. I find that Biking is obviously the longest (time consuming) and swim and run tend to be around the same per day.

if i were to go with the 5-6 the swim bike days would be way more training per day then the run days.

Im not too sure what Im asking here but any one have any ideas....?


2008-12-30 12:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Triathlete magazine's Essential week by week training guide

Disclaimer - I am not a coach

Since you are not following a coach's plan customized for you, split them up.  The only "rule" I would follow is don't put your long sessions within 24 hours of eachother.  For shorter stuff frankly, I don't think it makes a whit of difference whether you bike/swim on one day or run/swim on one day.  ETA, I also don't think it matters if a Tuesday has 4 hours between biking and swimming and 1 hour for running.  I wouldn't expect any day to be similar time wise to another

Although I will say a swim/bike brick now and again is a nice eye opener



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2009-01-05 6:17 PM
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Yeah im not too excited about the idea of swimming and biking in the same day, just seams like a lot...

Level 5 starts at 4,500 meters, 4:15 biking and 2:10 running and peaks at 7,800 meters, 7:50 biking and 3:38 running

The Level 5 plan looks like this in 2 week rotations
Tues Swim bike
Wed run
thur Brick (bike run)
Fri bike swim
Sat Bike run
Sun Swim Run

and then the next week
Tues Swim bike
Wed run
Thurs bike run
Fri Bike swim
Sat brick( bike run )
Sun Swim run
2009-01-05 7:36 PM
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Level 5 starts at 4,500 meters, 4:15 biking and 2:10 running and peaks at 7,800 meters, 7:50 biking and 3:38 running

This is for a HIM? Seems like a lot of training for a HIM - just my 2 cents. My max bike time was 3 hrs., run was 2 and I did a bunch of 2500 swims. I also didn't win any medals or come close to it...Had fun and finished in one piece.
2009-01-05 8:37 PM
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kristinc0916 - 2009-01-05 7:36 PM

tri-dg - 2009-01-05 7:17 PM


Level 5 starts at 4,500 meters, 4:15 biking and 2:10 running and peaks at 7,800 meters, 7:50 biking and 3:38 running

This is for a HIM? Seems like a lot of training for a HIM - just my 2 cents. My max bike time was 3 hrs., run was 2 and I did a bunch of 2500 swims. I also didn't win any medals or come close to it...Had fun and finished in one piece.



These times are for the whole week's worth of training
2009-01-06 1:15 PM
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tri-dg - 2009-01-05 9:37 PM

kristinc0916 - 2009-01-05 7:36 PM

tri-dg - 2009-01-05 7:17 PM


Level 5 starts at 4,500 meters, 4:15 biking and 2:10 running and peaks at 7,800 meters, 7:50 biking and 3:38 running

This is for a HIM? Seems like a lot of training for a HIM - just my 2 cents. My max bike time was 3 hrs., run was 2 and I did a bunch of 2500 swims. I also didn't win any medals or come close to it...Had fun and finished in one piece.



These times are for the whole week's worth of training


OOOHHHHHH. Duh.


2009-01-06 1:22 PM
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I like the book and used it a bit.  Followed it for last springs HIM.  Level 4 I think?

What you describe is a shortcoming (IMO) that I have noticed.  I did not like moving up for the same reason.  swimming AND biking on the same day called for some long days.  Then you get a 'short' day of running only.  Seemed to make more sense to mix running and swimming on one day then bike then next.

However, after some experience, I don't see why you can't move the swim to the run day and keep cyling by itself.

ALSO, have you noticed, that highest level of a group has the same, if not MORE hours (peak week) than the lowest level of the next higher group?  (If that makes sense).  Also, some of the higher Oly plans have more hours than some of the lower HIM plans.  Even some of the long bike and long run times are close to the same (the long stuff is what I focus on in a plan).

So there is also options there.

I'm not sure if I answered anything or just made it more confusing, but I'm not sure what you were asking in the first place.  I basically know that book inside out, if you want any more opinions/thoughts.

2009-01-06 1:26 PM
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tri-dg - 2009-01-05 4:17 PM Yeah im not too excited about the idea of swimming and biking in the same day, just seams like a lot... Level 5 starts at 4,500 meters, 4:15 biking and 2:10 running and peaks at 7,800 meters, 7:50 biking and 3:38 running The Level 5 plan looks like this in 2 week rotations Tues Swim bike Wed run thur Brick (bike run) Fri bike swim Sat Bike run Sun Swim Run and then the next week Tues Swim bike Wed run Thurs bike run Fri Bike swim Sat brick( bike run ) Sun Swim run

The peak week should have about a 3:30 - 4 hour long bike.  That sounds about right for an HIM.  That leaves about 4 hours left for the rest of the week.  A couple 90 min rides and a brick (this IS the peak week, mind you).

The long run should be about 90 min to 2 hours IMO.  That leaves 90  min for the rest of the week.

The swim?  7,800 breaks down to about 2500, 3x that week.  Sounds about right to me.

Again, this is PEAK week.  Level 5 is also to get you pretty competitive.  You can do much less if you just want to finish safely with a respectable time.



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2009-01-06 1:32 PM
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One more thing...  I was actually thinking about doing the level 8 Oly plan (or whatever is the highest of the second group) for my next HIM, but stretch out the long runs and bikes to match those in an HIM plan.

I figure that I could work on the speed for an Oly, but still get in some long stuff for the HIM.  Then I would be good for either.

If you really look hard enough, even though the book has something like 48 plans, a lot of them are repeats or modifications to the same plan for the different length races.  They have the same outline, but just increase the length of workouts depending on the length.

2009-01-06 1:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Triathlete magazine's Essential week by week training guide

At a quick glance it just looks like they are recommending 2 a days.  I have 2 a days all the time.  And with that plan, you have an easy day after the 2 a day.  So that makes sense to me.  It's really not that long of a day if you think about it.  Wake up early, go swim, go to work, then get your bike in the pm.  done before 6-7.

They do take some getting use to though.

2009-01-06 2:09 PM
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Marvarnett - 2009-01-06 11:53 AM

At a quick glance it just looks like they are recommending 2 a days.  I have 2 a days all the time.  And with that plan, you have an easy day after the 2 a day.  So that makes sense to me.  It's really not that long of a day if you think about it.  Wake up early, go swim, go to work, then get your bike in the pm.  done before 6-7.

They do take some getting use to though.

I agree 100% if you can do it like that. 

I know I have a tough time getting up that early (no will power!), so many times I have to do one at lunch and one after work, or do a brick after work.  Doing a bike/swim after work could make for some long nights...



2009-01-06 5:14 PM
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I think it would be great to use level 4 and just up the minutes and not have to deal with the 5/6 with the scheduling.... trying to look at a way to do that or a way to readjust the 5 and 6 to make it simpler...

I will be in summer school and working and then in school in aug-oct when the Longhorn half is.... maybe ill try it and see how it goes
2009-01-07 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Triathlete magazine's Essential week by week training guide
The other option is to keep the basic distances and increase intensity.  I am all for mixing up swimming days with anything else, they are in general easy recovery workouts and IMO you will get as much from doing a swim/run as you will from a swim/bike
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