Inaugural Invocation
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2009-01-20 2:33 PM |
Expert 1158 Chicagoland | Subject: Inaugural Invocation ...was bad. Sorry it wasn't very uplfiting. I thought Warren was a rock star preacher? Couldn't they prop Billy Graham up there? |
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2009-01-20 4:55 PM in reply to: #1918590 |
Master 1292 Houston | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation Agreed. |
2009-01-20 5:11 PM in reply to: #1918590 |
Expert 1288 Hatboro, PA | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation I wasn't a big fan of the benediction either. |
2009-01-20 8:38 PM in reply to: #1918913 |
Extreme Veteran 861 Northbridge, Massachusetts | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation phillybarb - 2009-01-20 3:11 PM I wasn't a big fan of the benediction either. The last paragraph....I didn't realize we had travelled so far back in time. Either that or it is part of an MLK speech from another time: Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around ... when yellow will be mellow ... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. |
2009-01-20 8:46 PM in reply to: #1918590 |
Veteran 131 Tampa, Florida | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation I didn't hear it, but when I read it, I was apalled. I could not believe my eyes. For as much talk as we've heard from his camp about going forward, that sure seemed like two giant steps back. Very disheartening. |
2009-01-21 7:29 AM in reply to: #1919290 |
Expert 1014 Virginia | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation SGriepsma - 2009-01-20 9:38 PM phillybarb - 2009-01-20 3:11 PM I wasn't a big fan of the benediction either. The last paragraph....I didn't realize we had travelled so far back in time. Either that or it is part of an MLK speech from another time: Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around ... when yellow will be mellow ... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen.
It is a reference to statements that used to be made back in the day. Black stay back, ect. he was flipping it. I supposed if you had never heard the other statements than it may seem a little off putting, but for some of us who have heard the negative version several times, it came off a little differently than "going back in time." Edited by kimmibear 2009-01-21 7:30 AM |
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2009-01-21 8:13 AM in reply to: #1918590 |
Master 2136 A Prairie Home | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation Had a conversation with my friend. I thought the only prayer we need to know is the "Lord's Prayer." So I am glad he recited it towards the end. The first 1/2 of his speech was just meh. |
2009-01-21 8:47 AM in reply to: #1918590 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation I thought the end of the prayer was kinda nifty. I mean, when he started it I was like, "what the hell is he doing". I guess it was kinda cheesy, but I took no offence, thought it was kinda cool with the three Amens too. |
2009-01-21 8:53 AM in reply to: #1918590 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation Here's my beef; the guy said something about the peaceful transfer of power 44 times. Um, no! What power was transferred upon reelection of a sitting president? |
2009-01-21 10:01 AM in reply to: #1918590 |
Expert 1357 Mukwonago, WI | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation
This benediction has been bothering me ever since it was read. Electing our nation's first black president representing how far we have come and then to still be lectured about the black being told to get in back is just rediculous. For the white to embrace what it right. What does that mean? Yes I know the statements roots but why was it even necessary? It tells me that moving closer to equality is not enough - it's almost as if we have to go beyond equality to bring retribution for our nation's history. Statements like this make me think that racisim is alive and well in our country, just not from its tratitional sources. |
2009-01-21 10:10 AM in reply to: #1919817 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation mrbbrad - 2009-01-21 9:53 AM Here's my beef; the guy said something about the peaceful transfer of power 44 times. Um, no! What power was transferred upon reelection of a sitting president? The statement was correct. For example, GWB was the 43rd President of the US, but he served the 54th and 55th terms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States |
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2009-01-21 10:13 AM in reply to: #1920052 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation newleaf - 2009-01-21 11:10 AM mrbbrad - 2009-01-21 9:53 AM Here's my beef; the guy said something about the peaceful transfer of power 44 times. Um, no! What power was transferred upon reelection of a sitting president? The statement was correct. For example, GWB was the 43rd President of the US, but he served the 54th and 55th terms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
nm...I get it now.
Edited by mrbbrad 2009-01-21 10:16 AM |
2009-01-21 10:17 AM in reply to: #1920061 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation |
2009-01-21 1:32 PM in reply to: #1920039 |
Extreme Veteran 450 Upstate, SC | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation wildee - 2009-01-21 11:01 AM
This benediction has been bothering me ever since it was read. Electing our nation's first black president representing how far we have come and then to still be lectured about the black being told to get in back is just rediculous. For the white to embrace what it right. What does that mean? Yes I know the statements roots but why was it even necessary? It tells me that moving closer to equality is not enough - it's almost as if we have to go beyond equality to bring retribution for our nation's history. Statements like this make me think that racisim is alive and well in our country, just not from its tratitional sources. I am definitely on the other end of the political spectrum than Obama,but... It is a great thing that a man of color has risen to the top office in our country. This is a bad thing for the race-baters though. Some of them are going to be out of business. This "preacher" has made a living telling his congregation and anyone who would listen how terrible white people are. If you don't believe me, do a little research on him. What a terrible way to end a prayer that concluded one of the most historic moments in this country's short life. |
2009-01-21 1:37 PM in reply to: #1918590 |
Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation I would thin Native Americans would be incensed at being called the Red Man Meh, I didn't have a problem with it once I heard it on the radio. I am not black, nor have I ever been in a black evangelical church, but it sort of had that feel to it. I suppose it is more of an "inside joke" for African Americans, one comment I heard was that those in the crowd that had heard it before gave a knowing chuckle when it started. ETA - I do not think that Pres. Obama's previous pastor and his words fall into this category. I don't think it was, or was intended to be, mean spirited or racist. Yes, we should be judged not by the color of our skin, but there is more to why this was a popular inauguration than those that wanted Bush out. Can't deny that the color of President Obama's skin is, in fact, historically relevant Edited by ChrisM 2009-01-21 1:38 PM |
2009-01-21 3:26 PM in reply to: #1918590 |
Regular 97 | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation I did not think much one way or the other about Rev. Warren's invocation, but I was very pleased to hear Pres. Obama refer to "non-believers" in his address. As a non-religious person myself, it was very gratifying to receive an acknowledgment from our leader that we are part of the fabric of this country, too. |
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2009-01-21 11:42 PM in reply to: #1919734 |
Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation Denise2003 - 2009-01-21 6:13 AM Had a conversation with my friend. I thought the only prayer we need to know is the "Lord's Prayer." So I am glad he recited it towards the end. The first 1/2 of his speech was just meh. Um, not if you're Jewish, it ain't. I did dig how he said the "Sh'ma," albeit in English - "hear, oh Israel..." - that part. Kinda cool, even for a non-practicing Jew like me. I mean, I had the uniform and all, but coach never played me.... |
2009-01-22 7:55 AM in reply to: #1921760 |
Master 2136 A Prairie Home | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation dave699 - 2009-01-22 12:42 AM Denise2003 - 2009-01-21 6:13 AM ... I thought the only prayer we need to know is the "Lord's Prayer." .... Um, not if you're Jewish, it ain't. That's what they taught us way back in school. Something simple, so that there's incentive for us to remember and even to practice. |
2009-01-22 9:22 AM in reply to: #1919290 |
Expert 1070 Denver Area | Subject: RE: Inaugural Invocation SGriepsma - 2009-01-20 7:38 PM phillybarb - 2009-01-20 3:11 PM I wasn't a big fan of the benediction either. The last paragraph....I didn't realize we had travelled so far back in time. Either that or it is part of an MLK speech from another time: Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around ... when yellow will be mellow ... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen.
My husband had a real problem with this ^ last paragraph. He didn't think it was funny at all, he thinks it's racist. He takes issue with white males existing as the only UN-protected class (discrimination by default because every other class IS protected). I let it go 'cause the man is 87, he's seen everything, it's a throw back from another time, and yet I still thought it inappropriate at the inauguration of the first black president. Edited by AdaBug 2009-01-22 9:25 AM |