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2009-02-13 12:22 PM
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Denise2003 - 2009-02-13 1:16 PM Emmi is delish. I wouldn't have gotten them had they were not on sale. Local super was running a special. 1/2 px. I got 5 cups. Paid $1.39 a cup, I think.

wowza

1.39 is far too much money for a cup of yogurt

hell no

i need to pay my bills

No kidding. I used to nanny for a woman who only bought Emmi yogurt (I never saw any other brand)...must be nice to be 3 years old, eating $2 yogurt...



2009-02-13 12:22 PM
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Subject: RE: "King Corn" documentary
meherczeg - 2009-02-13 12:20 PM

Denise2003 - 2009-02-13 1:16 PM Emmi is delish. I wouldn't have gotten them had they were not on sale. Local super was running a special. 1/2 px. I got 5 cups. Paid $1.39 a cup, I think.

wowza

1.39 is far too much money for a cup of yogurt

hell no

i need to pay my bills


Seriously. i like to make my own yogurt. It's much, much cheaper that way.
2009-02-13 12:29 PM
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roch1009 - 2009-02-13 10:17 AM

On a side note:

A friend pointed us to http://www.localharvest.org/ , a site that will identify local farms (and markets and what not) that will offer to provide you fresh, locally grown produce.  We just enrolled in a CSA (Community Supported Agriculture) agreement with a local farm that, during the growing season, will provide us with a weekly share of their crops.  We can pick it up at the farm or at the weekly farmers market.

Cool, huh?


Local Harvest is great. I'm a CSA member as well, and I love it. It's less expensive than what I would pay for equivalent produce in a store, and I get to know (and visit) the farm that grows my food!
2009-02-13 12:30 PM
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TheSchwamm - 2009-02-13 1:22 PM
meherczeg - 2009-02-13 12:20 PM

Denise2003 - 2009-02-13 1:16 PM Emmi is delish. I wouldn't have gotten them had they were not on sale. Local super was running a special. 1/2 px. I got 5 cups. Paid $1.39 a cup, I think.

wowza

1.39 is far too much money for a cup of yogurt

hell no

i need to pay my bills

Seriously. i like to make my own yogurt. It's much, much cheaper that way.

I have a dietician friend who does that - I'm intrigued and need to try it sometime.

2009-02-13 12:43 PM
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mr2tony - 2009-02-13 12:16 PM I contend that it's up to the parents to teach their children that just because they see an ad on TV doesn't mean they have to buy that product. Of course the fast food chains are going to advertise to young people -- that's their prime demographic. But just because they advertise doesn't mean you have to consume what they're selling. Parents need to be more proactive in teaching their children how to live healthy lives. As triathletes I'm sure we're better at that than most people. And sadly, some people just don't have the means to always eat healthy. For some, ``going out to dinner'' might mean going to McDonald's.

I totally agree.  However it's sad to walk down the aisles of a grocery store and look at the overwhelming amount of CRAP that we as Americans eat. (walk into a grocery in Europe and it's vastly different) When you have 90% bad choices and 10% good choices unless you are vigilant you are going to eat badly.

2009-02-13 12:47 PM
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Hey, I only buy Emmi when it's ON SALE. mmmkay. I have bills to pay too.

Speaking of making yogurt, my mom once tried to make a fermented rice drink (some Chinese thing) at home. In order to maintain the right temperature, she wrapped the container with a comforter. The scene was hiliarious. Needless to day, that was the first and last time she made that thing at home.



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TriRSquared - 2009-02-13 12:43 PM

mr2tony - 2009-02-13 12:16 PM I contend that it's up to the parents to teach their children that just because they see an ad on TV doesn't mean they have to buy that product. Of course the fast food chains are going to advertise to young people -- that's their prime demographic. But just because they advertise doesn't mean you have to consume what they're selling. Parents need to be more proactive in teaching their children how to live healthy lives. As triathletes I'm sure we're better at that than most people. And sadly, some people just don't have the means to always eat healthy. For some, ``going out to dinner'' might mean going to McDonald's.

I totally agree.  However it's sad to walk down the aisles of a grocery store and look at the overwhelming amount of CRAP that we as Americans eat. (walk into a grocery in Europe and it's vastly different) When you have 90% bad choices and 10% good choices unless you are vigilant you are going to eat badly.

So is it supply or demand?

And it could probably be argued both ways. 

Me, I tend to think it is the demand for cheaper/aesthetically pleasing products that have gotten us to where we are.  Market wanted it.  So that is what they have. 

2009-02-13 12:52 PM
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TriRSquared - 2009-02-13 1:43 PM

mr2tony - 2009-02-13 12:16 PM I contend that it's up to the parents to teach their children that just because they see an ad on TV doesn't mean they have to buy that product. Of course the fast food chains are going to advertise to young people -- that's their prime demographic. But just because they advertise doesn't mean you have to consume what they're selling. Parents need to be more proactive in teaching their children how to live healthy lives. As triathletes I'm sure we're better at that than most people. And sadly, some people just don't have the means to always eat healthy. For some, ``going out to dinner'' might mean going to McDonald's.

I totally agree.  However it's sad to walk down the aisles of a grocery store and look at the overwhelming amount of CRAP that we as Americans eat. (walk into a grocery in Europe and it's vastly different) When you have 90% bad choices and 10% good choices unless you are vigilant you are going to eat badly.

i just don't walk down the aisle.  shop the perimeter -- fresh fruit, lean poultry, eggs, frozen veggies, done.

2009-02-13 12:54 PM
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TriRSquared - 2009-02-13 10:43 AM

mr2tony - 2009-02-13 12:16 PM I contend that it's up to the parents to teach their children that just because they see an ad on TV doesn't mean they have to buy that product. Of course the fast food chains are going to advertise to young people -- that's their prime demographic. But just because they advertise doesn't mean you have to consume what they're selling. Parents need to be more proactive in teaching their children how to live healthy lives. As triathletes I'm sure we're better at that than most people. And sadly, some people just don't have the means to always eat healthy. For some, ``going out to dinner'' might mean going to McDonald's.

I totally agree.  However it's sad to walk down the aisles of a grocery store and look at the overwhelming amount of CRAP that we as Americans eat. (walk into a grocery in Europe and it's vastly different) When you have 90% bad choices and 10% good choices unless you are vigilant you are going to eat badly.


To be fair, there can be quite a bit of unhealthy stuff in European grocery stores as well, at least the stores I visited in France and Italy.
2009-02-13 1:07 PM
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TriRSquared - 2009-02-13 10:43 AM

mr2tony - 2009-02-13 12:16 PM I contend that it's up to the parents to teach their children that just because they see an ad on TV doesn't mean they have to buy that product. Of course the fast food chains are going to advertise to young people -- that's their prime demographic. But just because they advertise doesn't mean you have to consume what they're selling. Parents need to be more proactive in teaching their children how to live healthy lives. As triathletes I'm sure we're better at that than most people. And sadly, some people just don't have the means to always eat healthy. For some, ``going out to dinner'' might mean going to McDonald's.

I totally agree.  However it's sad to walk down the aisles of a grocery store and look at the overwhelming amount of CRAP that we as Americans eat. (walk into a grocery in Europe and it's vastly different) When you have 90% bad choices and 10% good choices unless you are vigilant you are going to eat badly.

To be fair, there can be quite a bit of unhealthy stuff in European grocery stores as well, at least the stores I visited in France and Italy.

This is true. Though I think it's gotten worse over the past several years, as American culture influences them more and more. When I was in Paris over 10 years ago, there were McDonald's around, and junk in the stores, but not as prevalent as here, and the French students I was with said that no one really goes to McDonald's - the tourists do. And they really didn't buy a ton of junk at the stores. Most of what I ate while I was there (both times I was there) was not junk. It's unfortunate, because now Europeans are showing signs of the same poor health trends that Americans do.

2009-02-13 1:18 PM
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TriRSquared - 2009-02-13 12:43 PM

mr2tony - 2009-02-13 12:16 PM I contend that it's up to the parents to teach their children that just because they see an ad on TV doesn't mean they have to buy that product. Of course the fast food chains are going to advertise to young people -- that's their prime demographic. But just because they advertise doesn't mean you have to consume what they're selling. Parents need to be more proactive in teaching their children how to live healthy lives. As triathletes I'm sure we're better at that than most people. And sadly, some people just don't have the means to always eat healthy. For some, ``going out to dinner'' might mean going to McDonald's.

I totally agree.  However it's sad to walk down the aisles of a grocery store and look at the overwhelming amount of CRAP that we as Americans eat. (walk into a grocery in Europe and it's vastly different) When you have 90% bad choices and 10% good choices unless you are vigilant you are going to eat badly.

So is it supply or demand?

And it could probably be argued both ways. 

Me, I tend to think it is the demand for cheaper/aesthetically pleasing products that have gotten us to where we are.  Market wanted it.  So that is what they have. 



Agreed. People want cheap food.


2009-02-13 1:20 PM
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puellasolis - 2009-02-13 1:54 PM To be fair, there can be quite a bit of unhealthy stuff in European grocery stores as well, at least the stores I visited in France and Italy.

Sure.  But the percentages to bad/good are much lower (at least in my experience)

2009-02-13 1:37 PM
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TriRSquared - 2009-02-13 11:20 AM

puellasolis - 2009-02-13 1:54 PM To be fair, there can be quite a bit of unhealthy stuff in European grocery stores as well, at least the stores I visited in France and Italy.

Sure.  But the percentages to bad/good are much lower (at least in my experience)


It depends on where you shop, both here and there, and overall I agree. I'm most familiar with France, Paris in particular, and having lived in a major city rather than out in the provinces probably skewed my view of things. I don't recall seeing nearly as much fast food when I visited smaller towns as I did in Paris.

I guess I'm just wary of putting European food and eating habits up on a pedestal (or those of any region). I love Europe, and I think they have a lot of good practices and attitudes with respect to food, but no one's perfect.
2009-02-13 1:46 PM
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All I know is that Obama has not done a thing about all of this poison in our supermarkets since he was elected months ago. People are having this garbage practically forced down their throats throughout his administration. Is it any coincidence that Obama himself has been seen eating products with HFCS?

IMPEACHMENT NOW!!!!!
2009-02-13 2:36 PM
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Omnivores is a good book.. the beginning is quite painful with the beating on corn.. I got his point but it only needed to be said 13 times not 40 times..overall the book is a good read, especially from after the corn chapter (once he made his point).

To respond to a few other points
The mass food industry is driven by profits, therefore what goes into the food is meant to maximize profits and that is it. If using a healthier ingredient makes it sell more then they use, if not they don't. Private industry driven by wall street that is it. I think a lot of people don't know wha tis in the food they eat because the food industry is a black box. Same when it comes to meat production.

Corn is subsidized leading to an overproduction of it. Reduce the subsidies and the industry falls on its a$$

The longest line I ever saw at a McDonalds was in Paris, so yes europeans love fast food. The big difference between europe and the US wrt to food is that we are not a food culture, Italy, Spain, etc have a culture to their dinner tables, US consumers do not.. this leads to chasing the next 'right' thing.
 

 

 



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2009-02-13 2:43 PM
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slake707 - 2009-02-13 3:36 PM

Omnivores is a good book.. the beginning is quite painful with the beating on corn.. I got his point but it only needed to be said 13 times not 40 times..overall the book is a good read, especially from after the corn chapter (once he made his point).

To respond to a few other points
The mass food industry is driven by profits, therefore what goes into the food is meant to maximize profits and that is it. If using a healthier ingredient makes it sell more then they use, if not they don't. Private industry driven by wall street that is it. I think a lot of people don't know wha tis in the food they eat because the food industry is a black box. Same when it comes to meat production.

Corn is subsidized leading to an overproduction of it. Reduce the subsidies and the industry falls on its a$$

The longest line I ever saw at a McDonalds was in Paris, so yes europeans love fast food. The big difference between europe and the US wrt to food is that we are not a food culture, Italy, Spain, etc have a culture to their dinner tables, US consumers do not.. this leads to chasing the next 'right' thing.
 

 

 

I am past the corn chapter and I didn't think it was quite brow-beating. Secondly, my experience with fast food in Europe was over 10 years ago, and spoken from the mouths of French teenagers who admitted that the French folk werent' as enthralled with Mickey D's as the city tourists were. BUt that was 10 years ago, so perhaps things have changed. Never said they don't eat junk ever, but it's not like it is here.



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slake707 - 2009-02-13 2:36 PM

Corn is subsidized leading to an overproduction of it.




Correct that corn is subsidized in the U.S. Incorrect that it's overproduced.

Ending stockpiles of the grain went from 151.2 mmt in 2001/2002 to 108.8 mmt in 2006/2007 before farmers increased production enough to bring ending stocks up to an expected 136.7 mmt this marketing year, according to the USDA. Production didn't increase because of subsidies -- production increased because prices were high based on demand. Consumption of corn has jumped from 621.6 mmt in 2001/2002 to a forecast 777.4 mmt this year. So it's not that they're just producing to produce, they're doing it because there is demand.
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mr2tony - 2009-02-13 5:51 PM
slake707 - 2009-02-13 2:36 PM Corn is subsidized leading to an overproduction of it.

 

Correct that corn is subsidized in the U.S. Incorrect that it's overproduced. Ending stockpiles of the grain went from 151.2 mmt in 2001/2002 to 108.8 mmt in 2006/2007 before farmers increased production enough to bring ending stocks up to an expected 136.7 mmt this marketing year, according to the USDA. Production didn't increase because of subsidies -- production increased because prices were high based on demand. Consumption of corn has jumped from 621.6 mmt in 2001/2002 to a forecast 777.4 mmt this year. So it's not that they're just producing to produce, they're doing it because there is demand.


It is a chicken and egg problem.. I meant overproduced for what would be fair market price.. which leads to the questions, does the demand exist due to the lower cost that subsidies provide? or are the subsidies needed to fill a market that needs to exist but cannot handle the full market price?

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