1st IM vs. 2nd IM
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2009-02-16 3:02 PM |
Extreme Veteran 326 | Subject: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM Guys and Gals, I completed my first IM last November thanks in part to the encouragement and advice on this site. I have just started back to training again, and am having a very hard time getting motivated. Last year my focus was on the accomplishment of an Iron Distance race (just to finish). Come hell or high water I was going to complete that goal. This year I am having a hard time defining a goal thus the motivation to achieve it. By no means am I going to qualify for Kona so what should be the goal of a 2nd IM. My first go around was 11:47 (perfect day and perfect execution of race plan!) so realistically it is going to be hard to break the 11:00 mark and honestly I am having a VERY hard time justifying all of the hard work and training to shave 10'-20' minutes off of my 2008 time. All you two timers out there, what got you going again.....what goals did you set to motivate your training? |
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2009-02-16 3:17 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM Hoping to lop 45-90 mins off my first in 07 after a conservative training and race plan. Why? To try and squeeze as much outta me as I can. Going out and just doing the race itself is a big accomplishment. You shouldnt need to validate goals beyond that. I think many folks will tell you no two races are going to be the same and each will throw different challenges at ya. Question is will you be ready for them? So I am just trying to be ready, push pace if it happens that day and survive another one. |
2009-02-16 3:26 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
Master 1547 | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM jamesehatcher - 2009-02-16 1:02 PM Guys and Gals, I completed my first IM last November thanks in part to the encouragement and advice on this site. I have just started back to training again, and am having a very hard time getting motivated. Last year my focus was on the accomplishment of an Iron Distance race (just to finish). Come hell or high water I was going to complete that goal. This year I am having a hard time defining a goal thus the motivation to achieve it. By no means am I going to qualify for Kona so what should be the goal of a 2nd IM. My first go around was 11:47 (perfect day and perfect execution of race plan!) so realistically it is going to be hard to break the 11:00 mark and honestly I am having a VERY hard time justifying all of the hard work and training to shave 10'-20' minutes off of my 2008 time. All you two timers out there, what got you going again.....what goals did you set to motivate your training?
but even if you break it by 1 minute you are living the life described in your sig line.
Go for it. |
2009-02-16 3:35 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM 1st one I went into with 5 months of focused training, lofty goals and an attitude that I had to perform well. Had a crappy race. 2nd one (I had already signed up before even completing the 1st one ... in fact it was only a month or so into the training when I had paid for the 2nd) I had a whopping 6 weeks of focused training - no that is not a typo - no goals other than staying within my limits on the bike and enjoying the day. Ended up going 15 minutes FASTER on the 2nd one on a tougher course in epic conditions. Go figure! What did that teach me? Race, enjoy the day and go with the flow. I race a heck of a lot better when I relax and put no pressure on myself. Edited by Daremo 2009-02-16 3:36 PM |
2009-02-16 3:55 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
Expert 1148 NW Suburbs, Illinois | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM Did my first one last year, and doing the deed again this year. Although I set goals, I am with Rick in that I will just try to train as well as I can, and take what the day gives me. Yes, I want to improve on my time from last year, but I realize anything can happen on race day. So I go in know that it going to be fun, relax and have a great time. I also agree with Joe that its a huge acomplishment and I like to see what I can get out of myself. With that said, I do agree that motivation will be different this season. Not sure exactly how, but it WILL be different. |
2009-02-16 4:00 PM in reply to: #1965006 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM I feel the same way. Knocked out my first one last fall. Right now, I want to do another one, but I'm not sure when. I felt that most of last year I was focused on the IM, and had to skip or miss several other smaller races due to training. I plan to focus on shorter races and unless the bug bites hard later this year to do another fall IM, plan for one next year. |
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2009-02-16 4:07 PM in reply to: #1965006 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM schmize - 2009-02-16 3:55 PM This is all BS PR downplaying of the epic battle of manchild vs donkey at MOO 09!!! 'Relax and have a great time?' I aint buying what yer selling bub! Did my first one last year, and doing the deed again this year. Although I set goals, I am with Rick in that I will just try to train as well as I can, and take what the day gives me. Yes, I want to improve on my time from last year, but I realize anything can happen on race day. So I go in know that it going to be fun, relax and have a great time. I also agree with Joe that its a huge acomplishment and I like to see what I can get out of myself. With that said, I do agree that motivation will be different this season. Not sure exactly how, but it WILL be different. |
2009-02-16 4:25 PM in reply to: #1965026 |
Expert 1148 NW Suburbs, Illinois | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM jszat - 2009-02-16 4:07 PM This is all BS PR downplaying of the epic battle of manchild vs donkey at MOO 09!!! 'Relax and have a great time?' I aint buying what yer selling bub! Hah. That is very funny. I actually had written, and then took out after editing, "as long as I can compete with Joe and not let him pass me, it will be a great time" But then I took it out figuring the masses didn't know about the smackdown event that is coming in September It is also what I was implying when I said that the 2nd one will be different in terms of motivation. That is why I am glad you are running 200+ miles a month. That is what I will be feeding off this year. Heh. With all that on the table. I will still find my special relaxing place! Edited by schmize 2009-02-16 4:26 PM |
2009-02-16 4:33 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
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2009-02-16 6:01 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM jamesehatcher - 2009-02-16 3:02 PM All you two timers out there, what got you going again.....what goals did you set to motivate your training? Why did you sign up for this IM? Was it the location? Is the terrain challenging? The bottom line is you need to answer the question or you may have a very hard day come race day. That was my experience. Now I am headed to my 5th one this year and the reasoning is to put up a PR, enjoy racing with my friends, and enjoy racing on a different continent. Something to remember for us amateurs: we paid to do this race so keep it fun! If you are not having fun with your hobby, time for a new hobby.
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2009-02-16 6:41 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM 2007 IMAZ- 9:43:42 2007 Kona- 9:40:28 So that's 3:14 improvement over 6 months between the two but had I raced the IMAZ course instead of Kona, I likely would have seen a 10min improvement as the course is much more challenging in Hawaii vs. Arizona. My goal at IMAZ was sub 10, my goal at Kona was sub 10. Mission accomplished. |
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2009-02-16 8:08 PM in reply to: #1965294 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM |
2009-02-16 8:37 PM in reply to: #1964916 |
Master 2485 Atlanta, Georgia | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM My first IM, I got exactly the time I had trained for and was happy enough with the result, for a while. In the end, I wasn't satisfied..I registered for the same race, two years later, by which time my base was more substantial and larger training volume was easier to stomach. The biggest difference in the two training arcs was that my second IM came after 4 full seasons of racing...I will say that getting going was the hardest part for v2.0: I was plenty reluctant at first and dreaded the thought of all those long rides. Once you get moving, it kind of builds on itself and the reluctance just kind of went away. Good Luck - Plenty of time between now and November. |
2009-02-16 9:13 PM in reply to: #1965443 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM smilford - 2009-02-16 8:08 PM They should make star trek tri suits for you, man. That would be awesome. Dude, that would be so sweet. |
2009-02-17 7:54 AM in reply to: #1964916 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM My first IM was IMFL in '06. I trained enough to get by, but not enough probably to do really well. I had a mechanical issue on th ebike that probably cost me 45 minutes, but otherwise, the day went off perfectly. I wasn't racing, just trying to get through. And in th eend, I'd imagine it was just about as easy as an IM can be. I finished in 12:24. My second was this past November at Beach-2-Battleship. For it, I trained much better, incorporating more high-quality efforts on the bike and run in training, and I swam much more purposefully in training. I had specific time goals and, on th erun, I wasn't afraid to hang it out there because having finished one previously, I knew that even if I didn't finish this one, I was still an ironman. The result:
So for me, my first was simply to do it. And for my second, to do it right.
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2009-02-17 9:44 AM in reply to: #1964916 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM |
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2009-02-17 9:47 AM in reply to: #1966091 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM smilford - 2009-02-17 10:44 AM 1hour flat swim is pretty nice but 46? That's sweet. (shhh...don't tell anyone, but it was point-to-pont and with a current) |
2009-02-17 11:10 AM in reply to: #1966099 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM run4yrlif - 2009-02-17 9:47 AM smilford - 2009-02-17 10:44 AM 1hour flat swim is pretty nice but 46? That's sweet. (shhh...don't tell anyone, but it was point-to-pont and with a current) doesnt' matter to me,,, that is still pretty sweet |
2009-02-17 11:16 AM in reply to: #1964916 |
Lethbridge, Alberta | Subject: RE: 1st IM vs. 2nd IM jamesehatcher - 2009-02-16 2:02 PM Guys and Gals, I completed my first IM last November thanks in part to the encouragement and advice on this site. I have just started back to training again, and am having a very hard time getting motivated. Last year my focus was on the accomplishment of an Iron Distance race (just to finish). Come hell or high water I was going to complete that goal. This year I am having a hard time defining a goal thus the motivation to achieve it. By no means am I going to qualify for Kona so what should be the goal of a 2nd IM. My first go around was 11:47 (perfect day and perfect execution of race plan!) so realistically it is going to be hard to break the 11:00 mark and honestly I am having a VERY hard time justifying all of the hard work and training to shave 10'-20' minutes off of my 2008 time. All you two timers out there, what got you going again.....what goals did you set to motivate your training? Be sure to realize that you're not doing the same thing over again. Even if you're on the same course, different weather can put a totally new face on the event. You go into it a different person too. Maybe conditions will be even better and you'll blow away your previous best, or you may struggle to crack 12 hours this time. Finishing once doesn't even guarantee a finish the next time. Sounds like you had a pretty good day the first time. Will you be prepared, "come hell or high water"? For myself, I was happy and proud to finish my first but I wasn't satisfied. Life got in the way of a lot of the training I had intended, so I wasn't nearly as well prepared as I had hoped to be. I also crashed on the bike and, while the injuries didn't slow me down a lot up to T2, they were more of a problem during the run. I really want to see what I can do with better training and hopefully without any mishaps on the course. |