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2009-02-27 7:26 PM

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Subject: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+
My coach told me to get one for FL 70.3.

Anyone else where one?

Thoughts?

http://www.blueseventy.com/products/detail/pointzero3plus


2009-02-27 7:37 PM
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Does the price include the model?




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2009-02-27 7:43 PM
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Subject: RE: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+
I bought a pz3 several weeks ago for Hawaii 70.3 and have tried it out in the pool a couple of times. It is super slippery. Whether doing 100 intervals or just warming up/cooling down I am finding about 10 seconds per 100 for the same effort. For an HIM, that should be a good three minutes. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it.
2009-02-27 7:45 PM
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popsracer - 2009-02-27 8:43 PM

I bought a pz3 several weeks ago for Hawaii 70.3 and have tried it out in the pool a couple of times. It is super slippery. Whether doing 100 intervals or just warming up/cooling down I am finding about 10 seconds per 100 for the same effort. For an HIM, that should be a good three minutes. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it.


My coach swears it helps some with buoyancy as well.
2009-02-27 8:15 PM
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it helps...get it if you got the money!
2009-02-27 8:24 PM
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Subject: RE: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+
They're not buoyant.  If they were, they'd be illegal for nonwetsuit legal races.


2009-02-27 8:27 PM
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Subject: RE: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+
10 seconds per 100?!? That's huge considering that's the time savings I have heard about a good wetsuit.   If more people can attest to this then I might actually have to give it a look.
2009-02-27 8:36 PM
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DerekL - 2009-02-27 9:24 PM

They're not buoyant.  If they were, they'd be illegal for nonwetsuit legal races.


I understand that. As described to me, they are completely neutral for buoyancy by themselves. However, they can trap a very small level of air between the skin and the body to create a small level of added buoyancy when worn.

I was just wondering if anyone else that uses them has had that experience.




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2009-02-27 8:44 PM
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dpeeples - 2009-02-27 8:36 PM
DerekL - 2009-02-27 9:24 PM They're not buoyant.  If they were, they'd be illegal for nonwetsuit legal races.
I understand that. As described to me, they are completely neutral for buoyancy by themselves. However, they can trap a very small level of air between the skin and the body to create a small level of added buoyancy when worn. I was just wondering if anyone else that uses them has had that experience.

They're skin tight. There's no way any significant amount of air is trapped there. Certainly not enough to make a noticeable difference in buoyancy.  

Wear one if you want.  At most, you might be gaining a second or two per hundred.  If that's worth several hundred dollar to you, go for it.

2009-02-27 8:53 PM
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DerekL - 2009-02-27 9:44 PM

dpeeples - 2009-02-27 8:36 PM
DerekL - 2009-02-27 9:24 PM They're not buoyant.  If they were, they'd be illegal for nonwetsuit legal races.
I understand that. As described to me, they are completely neutral for buoyancy by themselves. However, they can trap a very small level of air between the skin and the body to create a small level of added buoyancy when worn. I was just wondering if anyone else that uses them has had that experience.

They're skin tight. There's no way any significant amount of air is trapped there. Certainly not enough to make a noticeable difference in buoyancy.  

Wear one if you want.  At most, you might be gaining a second or two per hundred.  If that's worth several hundred dollar to you, go for it.



Well, my tri bike is 12 years old and cost me $400 when I bought it two years ago, so I guess the answer would be "no, $295 is probably not worth it".
2009-02-27 8:59 PM
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Subject: RE: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+

If you get one please post a review.  I'm debating on getting one for IMKY this year.



2009-02-27 9:21 PM
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BamaDC - 2009-02-27 8:59 PM

If you get one please post a review.  I'm debating on getting one for IMKY this year.



I just got the point zero 3 for IMKY. I don't know if it will be worth the money but the added mental boost by wearing it made me buy it. I found it for $180 on tribuys.com. Limited sizes though.
2009-02-27 10:48 PM
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I used it for IM KY last year.  I am not a fast swimmer but it was comfortable to wear and when using it in the pool I did see a 2-3 seconds off per hundred yards consistently.  I dont think it would make or break a tri for me (as a BOP'er) , but if you have the $$.....
2009-02-28 6:40 AM
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DerekL - 2009-02-27 9:24 PM They're not buoyant.  If they were, they'd be illegal for nonwetsuit legal races.

FINA, the worlds competitive swimming body is about to ban the blue seventy for competitive swimming. They exceed the buoyancy specs. Triathlon may be working on a different buoyancy parameter.

2009-02-28 12:31 PM
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Subject: RE: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+
I'm 5 to 10 seconds faster per 100 with mine. The suit isn't buoyant however I think that it may provide some 'lift'. I can't exactly describe it but I can tell a difference with mine in that it feels like it's easier to stay flat and higher in the water than without it.
2009-02-28 12:48 PM
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The Blue Seventy was first on my list.  Then I saw that Xterra was running a special on their speed suit for 1/2 off ($125 final price).  For that kind of savings, even if the Blue Seventy was a few seconds faster, I'm game.  So I purchased the Xterra.  If you wait, it's likely you will get the same deal as they seem to run it a couple of times per year.  I have never seen the Blue Seventy for sale that cheap.

Yes, they do work.  I plan on wearing mine in all non-wetsuit races this year. 


2009-02-28 2:17 PM
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Here is my reply.

If you have the money and money is no object, get it. It is called free($250) speed.

If you are cost vs speed mindfull, you are  FOP swimmer, are you capabale of sub 30min 1/2 ironman swim, if not, back to the pool and bump up your training or spend money on good masters swim team. Work on the engine.

Olympic distance, 1/2 ironman and ironman are worth considering the skin for. Sprints no. You are more likely to gain with a hybrid suit like 2XU super elite and similar suites. They are worn all around and you loose zero time in T1 getting it off, but still provide somewhat of a slick fabric for reduced drag in the water. Regular skin takes time and practice to remove quickly in T1 and if you are not skilled at it, you are bound to loose time that you just spent money and effort gaining.

It is a complex question, not as simple as one may think, considering where money could go toward greatest time gain.

Now, this was just me thinking out loud and in no way telling you what to do. I am at the same crossroads as you are and a deceision will come soon. I have read about 3-5sec/100 gain but not 10sec, this is my first here. I have read tests conducted on that "other" forum. Can be pretty informative in deceision making.

2009-02-28 2:40 PM
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Subject: RE: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+

I bought one of the early shorty versions of the BlueSeventy .03 for IMKY in 2007....While I think the coating of the suit does enhance your "slipperiness" in the water.....one of my key reasons for me wearing one is that it allows me to wear my tri top and tri shorts under it with no negative drag effect on my swim (team uni's are not real aquadynamic but tight, etc. for the bike and would be a b!tch to get on over a wet body in T1, even with help and coming in from the swim when I do, the tents are packed.....I don't even go in, just around)......so I look at it this way.....

1)no apparel changes in T1,

2)plus a bit of an aqudynamic advantage,

3)and money being o.k. to spend

....I found it worth trying...

 

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2014-07-25 1:05 PM
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Does anyone else think that the 5-10 second per 100 astronomical improvements are for swimmers (admittadly such as myself) who have poor body position in the water?

I don't discount a vast improvement for folks that simply wearing the suit cuts down some drag and provides a little better body positioning.

...or at least thats what I am hoping for. I'm racing an olympic distance USAT race (pointzero3 is still legal) in a few weeks, and found one on ebay for $80.
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Subject: RE: BlueSeventy pointzero 3+

The rules have changed since the last set of posting.  The suit in the original postings had a rubberized coating which is no longer legal (may vary for some races but I'd read the fine print before purchasing). Blue Seventy does have a textile product that is legal called the PZ3TX.

And I'd revise my earlier improvements to somewhere between 2-4 seconds per 100.  I think there is a certain placebo effect that tends to inflate initial observations. 



Edited by popsracer 2014-07-25 1:47 PM
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