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2009-04-10 3:23 PM

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Being an avid Fisherman I know the ice is not of the lakes yet, and I know most of the lakes in the metro area pretty well.  However, in all my years of fishing I can't say I have seen anyone swimming outside of designated beach areas.

Where are some of the best places to practice OWS?



2009-04-10 6:39 PM
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Square Lake and White Bear Lake. We OWS outside the ropes all the time.

You don't seem me because I'm out there at oh dark thirty in a wetsuit.

2009-04-10 8:12 PM
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There will be a group of us doing open water swims on Prior Lake once or twice a week once it starts getting warm. My parents have a place on Prior Lake so its pretty easy to leave from there. There will be people following us in kayaks so we don't get run over. If you are interested in joining us, just shoot me a PM with your contact info.

Thanks,

Andy

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2009-04-10 8:45 PM
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Group of us open water swim at Lakr Marion in Lakeville on a weeknly basis.  Last year it was every Friday morning, not sure when it will be this year.
2009-04-11 8:31 AM
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Bryan-I would like to join everyone this summer at the Lake Marion swims. Are there varying abilities? I know I wouldn't be able to keep up with you. Does anyone run or bike afterward? All the ice is off Lake Marion.
2009-04-11 9:46 AM
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It's a very diverse group of swimmers.  My daughter weill be joining us on group swims this year also.  There is almost always a group ride after the swim.  I sometimes run after the swim also.  If you go to www.lakemariontriclub.com  you can find out a loy of info.  It isn't an official club or anything.  Just kind of a rag tag group of people who get together.  Site will get much more active once the water gets warmer and people start talking more.  Would love to have more members join.  We swim a loop at Marion that is about 150-200 yards long in a circular pattern.


2009-04-12 9:22 PM
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I'm definitely interested in getting together with others for some swimming.  I swim pretty well, but my open water experience is minimal, so it would be great to get out there with some open water veterans.
2009-04-13 7:10 AM
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Not technically metro, or MN for that matter, but Perch Lake just north of Hudson, WI is where the Wild River Tri club has their OWS on Wed nights.  Peeps start showing up at 4:30 and most around 5:30ish.  All levels of abilities.  No motorized boats allowed, pristine water surrounded by woods.  Awesome lake
2009-04-13 9:07 AM
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I have swum in 3 places that all work well, depending on your location:

1.  Nokomis.  You can swim just inside the white bouys and do laps.  There are usually other swimmers doing the same and the lifeguard  makes it a viable option if you're alone.  Downside is people playing on the water, might get in your way.  And parking is not free if you can't find a street spot.

2.  Shady Oak Lake in Minnetonka.  Pay for a seasonal beach pass and have access to a nice beach, lifeguard, and long stretch of open water.

3.  Little Long Lake in Mound.  Gear West tri club folks go out there as well as a great place to meet for a small group.  Boat traffic is minimal,  might not allow motorized (or I have not seen it anyway).  Most beautiful location I've been to.  No lifeguard, though, so you need to have a group.  You can just swim right across the lake, from beach to beach, along the shore, etc.  Map of my "route" http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/map.asp?routeid=20188

2009-04-13 9:08 AM
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I'm going to stick this thread to the top.  This is a good resource long term I think...
2009-04-13 9:41 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2009-04-13 9:08 AM I'm going to stick this thread to the top.  This is a good resource long term I think...

Jeez, how'm I supposed to find this thread if it is stickied?  I never look at those threads.



2009-04-13 9:51 AM
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Learn it!!

  Actually, I worry about that kind of thing...

paddle2paddle - 2009-04-13 9:41 AM

BikerGrrrl - 2009-04-13 9:08 AM I'm going to stick this thread to the top.  This is a good resource long term I think...

Jeez, how'm I supposed to find this thread if it is stickied?  I never look at those threads.

2009-04-13 10:00 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2009-04-13 9:07 AM

...1.  Nokomis.  You can swim just inside the white bouys and do laps.  There are usually other swimmers doing the same and the lifeguard  makes it a viable option if you're alone.  Downside is people playing on the water, might get in your way.  And parking is not free if you can't find a street spot....



I do my OWS practice at Nokomis or Calhoun in the morning before work, then shower at the work gym.  In the morning, there is no guard, and most people swim just outside of or just inside of the buoys.

Even during guarded hours, if you quickly mention to the guard that you'll be swimming laps just outside of the buoys, they have no problem with it.  That way you avoid the people playing in the water.

Other places I OWS: Crystal Beach Park (Burnsville) and Marion Lake (Lakeville).  Have never had an issue swimming outside of the buoys as long as I tell the guard I'm swimming laps.  Not an issue in the morning.

I try to avoid any beach which has waterfowl, just to avoid swimmer's itch.

ETA:  Did I ever tell you about my fish story at Nokomis?



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2009-04-13 10:17 AM
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Not to re-spark the debate of where it's okay to swim, etc., I wanted to clarify why I think that swimming just inside the buoys a good thing (and why Nokomis is a good choice for me), for the sake of learning for those who are not familiar with this particular dilemma.

I prefer a beach where there's deep enough and relatively swimmer free water just inside the buoy line.  That way I can feel safe that the lifeguard is in the best position to help me.  The occasional time I have to stop to avoid someone playing in the water is no more than the effort I make during a race to avoid someone off-course or stopped.

(And for the sake of anyone who's not been hip to this particular debate, there is actually a law that you cannot swim outside the buoys and you could get a ticket.  So, swimming outside the buoys is "at your own risk" and may earn you a ticket.)

2009-04-13 10:23 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2009-04-13 10:17 AM

Not to re-spark the debate of where it's okay to swim, etc., I wanted to clarify why I think that swimming just inside the buoys a good thing (and why Nokomis is a good choice for me), for the sake of learning for those who are not familiar with this particular dilemma.

I prefer a beach where there's deep enough and relatively swimmer free water just inside the buoy line.  That way I can feel safe that the lifeguard is in the best position to help me.  The occasional time I have to stop to avoid someone playing in the water is no more than the effort I make during a race to avoid someone off-course or stopped.

(And for the sake of anyone who's not been hip to this particular debate, there is actually a law that you cannot swim outside the buoys and you could get a ticket.  So, swimming outside the buoys is "at your own risk" and may earn you a ticket.)



I won't re-start the debate (where's leapdog when you need him), but the only tickets I've heard that have been given (and this is hearsay) is to those swimming ACROSS the lake.  The guards at the lakes seem to be o.k. with swimming just outside of the buoys.  Maybe I'll actually have to go look up that law...
2009-04-13 10:28 AM
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The only place where I've done any significant open water swimming is in Lake Herriot at the north end of the lake along the buoys, and a couple times in Lake Phalen in St. Paul.  Phalen was fine except the guards on the raft want to escort you out to the raft with their little kayak.  Whatever.  The swim was fine in either place, though.


2009-04-13 10:40 AM
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I like to stir the pot.    Here's the StarTrib article:

http://www.startribune.com/local/stpaul/26149954.html
2009-04-13 12:32 PM
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I'm not going to argue whether it's "okay" or not to do anything that's against the law. I choose to follow the law.  Have you read the thread about "photo etiquette"? I can't believe the people who try to argue it's okay to break the law, because in some cases it doesn't matter the same amount to them.  That's for each individual to decide (or move to a country where breaking the law is okay, you won't like that either...)

So, here's the Minneapolis City ordinance.  I haven't looked up the ordinance for any other city regarding bathing/swimming in public waters:

PB3-2.  Use of unauthorized beach; swimming across lake. No person or persons shall swim or bathe at any unauthorized beach or park water; nor shall any person or persons swim across any lake or park water unless accompanied by a boat and then only with permission from the park and recreation board or its proper officers. (Code 1960, As Amend., § 1011.050) 

(I am interpreting  that swimming outside the designated swimming area violates this, whether you are swimming across the lake or not.  "Across the lake" is an argument your attorney can fight)

Just don't want to see any of our new triathletes with a ticket.

2009-04-13 12:33 PM
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I could really chime in on that article but I'll pass as to keep the thread informational and not editorial.

I hope to get in some good swims up at the cabin, unfortunately its a big lake and takes a while to warm up. 

I grew up swimming at the beach in shady oak so I am familiar there.

The Friday morning swims sound like fun but that’s a haul for me to get from there to work.  Maybe if I "work" from home some Fridays.

I'll also check out the Long lake swims, thanks for all the input!

2009-04-13 8:55 PM
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Does anyone have any good places to swim in or around St Paul?  I'd like to get a few morning swims and don't feel like driving to Nokomis.  I used to live near Lake Phalen, but refuse to swim there due to some of the things I've seen floating in the water there.  Any other ideas?  Thanks.
2009-04-16 8:30 PM
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A quick count puts 16 lakes within 5 miles of my house that I can access. I usually swim from the neighbor's dock to wherever I want. I sometimes tick off a territorial loon, but otherwise nothing else bothers me.

I don't live in the "People's Republic" where the life guards will call the swimming police if I swim outside the ropes. When I visit the metro, I avoid the lakes where I may end up with a citation for some innocent activity. Heaven only knows what is illegal in some of the metro communities. The last thing I need is to take a swim at Septic Beach on Dog Turd lake in Minneapolis only to receive a citation for sending a snot rocket into the weeds.

Get out of the metro as fast as possible. The air and water are much cleaner elsewhere and fewer people will bother you.

Sure we still have snow and won't get into the water until June, but I'll take the trade off.


2009-05-08 4:08 PM
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So im new to triathlons, did my first sprint at the Gustavus Tri which was obviously a pool swim. I am looking forward to doing some OWS training and obviously just trying to get use to the difference from the pool. I was wondering how soon everyone starts swimming in the lakes. I understand everyone can handle cold differently but I bought a wetsuit and want to start but am curious how long everyone waits for the water to warm up.
2009-05-08 4:24 PM
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I remember it being pretty darn cold, leading up to Memorial Day weekend.  After that it's definitely not a problem. I think there are some crazies swimming in Albert Lea this weekend though...  Shallower lakes with an early "ice out" will be warmer, faster.  Further south the better.  Where might you swim?  Maybe someone can give you an more specific anecdote.

2009-05-08 4:36 PM
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There was talk of a mid-May metro area lake swim simply for the sake of doing it.  I don't think it'll exactly be a comfortable swim, though.  I think come June more lakes will be ok for swimming.  Mid to late June, no problem at all.

2009-05-08 7:23 PM
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Thanks for some of the advice, I live in Waconia (Lake Waconia Triathlon) which is just West of the Twin Cities. So I am hoping that I can start swimming in Lake Waconia soon or else go to some of the shallower lakes in the area as suggested. Thanks for the input.
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