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2009-05-15 2:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Aero Bar Hydration (Front) versus Rear Mount
PennState - 2009-05-15 3:15 PM

smilford - 2009-05-15 3:08 PM That's basically what I do too, it's starting to get a bit more popular. It's the way to go!

The reason I like it, is that you can take the hydration bottles from the course and just put them directly into the holder instead of filling them up into the PD holder. Using the cage mounts on the frame is fine too. At Columbia this weekend, I'm not sure what I'll do, as it's short enough that I might just keep one bottle in the frame cage... as I won't be grabbing bottles from the course.



So you'll be there? 


2009-05-15 2:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Aero Bar Hydration (Front) versus Rear Mount
PennState - 2009-05-15 2:15 PM

smilford - 2009-05-15 3:08 PM That's basically what I do too, it's starting to get a bit more popular. It's the way to go!

The reason I like it, is that you can take the hydration bottles from the course and just put them directly into the holder instead of filling them up into the PD holder. Using the cage mounts on the frame is fine too. At Columbia this weekend, I'm not sure what I'll do, as it's short enough that I might just keep one bottle in the frame cage... as I won't be grabbing bottles from the course.



That's exactly what I do too.
2009-05-15 2:24 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2009-05-15 2:11 PM

I have the front mounted PD bottle and haven't had too many probs with it. I have the Hydrotail two bottle holder on the back as well. So I put water in the front bottle so if/when it does splash a bit at first it isn't a big deal and doesn't make a mess. Then I keep one bottle of water and one of whatever sports drink on the rear holder. I refill the front bottle from the rear water bottle when needed and only have to reach when I want the sports mix.

Might rethink this strategy for my HIM in a few weeks. Which brings me to my own question... How do aid stations work in an HIM? Should I just out one bottle on my bike and grab new bottles at the stations? Do I chuck my first bottle when I get a replacement? So should I use a cheapo bottle that I won't mind throwing away? This will be my first race with bike aid stations so I am a little confused as to the process.


Yep, when you get a new bottle of hydration, just toss yours aside...you should see a pile of bottles (i try to stay close to the pile so they aren't picking up bottles all over the place when it's finished).  And yes, use a cheapo bottle.
2009-05-15 2:24 PM
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I used the aero bottle with the yellow sponge for a year with the black top and always got covered in sticky stuff and hated it.  I however like not moving to drink and just bending over to hydrate.  The answer to no spillage - get one of those round nylon shower sponges instead of the yellow thing (I use one that came with my son's Old Spice kit).  I now use it and the black top with out the rubber middle on the top and nothing spills and I have no problem refilling on the fly.
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2009-05-15 2:28 PM
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So if there are aid stations every ten miles should I ditch the hydrotail and just use the downtube for the race? Or would it be better to have two bottles on the hydrotail and no downtube so I can have both types of drink?

Thanks for the advice

2009-05-15 2:31 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2009-05-15 3:28 PM

So if there are aid stations every ten miles should I ditch the hydrotail and just use the downtube for the race? Or would it be better to have two bottles on the hydrotail and no downtube so I can have both types of drink?

Thanks for the advice


I DO NOT like the Hydrotails in races.  Too many 'ejections'.  At 10 miles apart, you should be fine with 1 bottle.  I have done this for IM, but I also have no problem washing down gels with Gatorade if necessary.  So I'm never worried about 'needing' some water on board at all times.
2009-05-15 2:32 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2009-05-15 2:28 PM

So if there are aid stations every ten miles should I ditch the hydrotail and just use the downtube for the race? Or would it be better to have two bottles on the hydrotail and no downtube so I can have both types of drink?

Thanks for the advice


Keep the hydrotail...even if it's empty.  you may just want to grab an extra at the aid station and it'd at least be nice to have the option of doing so.  i always work in an insurance bottle somewhere...it hurts nothing at all and may turn out to be a life-saver.
2009-05-15 2:41 PM
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One bottle on the downtube and take what you need from the aid stations.  At HIM and IM events I'll alternate water and GE between each station.  I try to drink a bottle every 1/2 hour or so, so that works out on most courses for me.
2009-05-15 3:12 PM
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All of you folks RULE!!! I started triathlon a year ago and am completely hooked. Anytime I have a question or concern, fellow BT'rs come to the rescue!
I hope all of you have a great weekend of training or racing. Best of luck to you all of you this season!!! Thanks for your comments, suggestions, and smiles.
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2009-05-15 3:52 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2009-05-15 2:28 PM



So if there are aid stations every ten miles should I ditch the hydrotail and just use the downtube for the race? Or would it be better to have two bottles on the hydrotail and no downtube so I can have both types of drink?

Thanks for the advice


My HIMs have not had aid stations every 10 miles, more like every 20 miles. If possible, I like to get a "handoff" bottle from an aid worker without having to stop. That does mean that I end up with extra bottles, so you gotta have space for them. Littering is unethical, illegal and violates USAT race rules.

2009-05-15 3:56 PM
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Aarondb4 - 2009-05-15 2:28 PM

So if there are aid stations every ten miles should I ditch the hydrotail and just use the downtube for the race? Or would it be better to have two bottles on the hydrotail and no downtube so I can have both types of drink?

Thanks for the advice
My HIMs have not had aid stations every 10 miles, more like every 20 miles. If possible, I like to get a "handoff" bottle from an aid worker without having to stop. That does mean that I end up with extra bottles, so you gotta have space for them. Littering is unethical, illegal and violates USAT race rules.


Every HIM I've ever done has a drop zone just before and just after the aid station specifically designed for you to toss your unwanted bottles.
2009-05-15 4:08 PM
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PennState - 2009-05-15 3:05 PM

I used to use a profile design aero bottle. This is what I use now:



Exactly how are you bending forward to drink from that thing?

On a more serious note - why put it there?  Doesn't it mess with your hand position at all.  I would have thought it better to stick with the bottle on the frame if you didn't want an aero bottle.
2009-05-15 9:16 PM
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I don't feel like I have a need for this as I only do sprints/oly's, but this looks like a pretty good concept.

http://www.invisciddesign.com/
2009-05-15 9:19 PM
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GoFaster - 2009-05-15 4:08 PM
more serious note - why put it there?  Doesn't it mess with your hand position at all.  I would have thought it better to stick with the bottle on the frame if you didn't want an aero bottle.


It doesn't mess with your hand position much at all, if any. Your hands block it from the wind, it's just tucked in between your forearms. The reason to put it there is to have 2 bottles, for me with out using a bottle launcher in the back or the crappy(imo) aero bottle up front.
2009-05-15 9:51 PM
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I use the aerobottle.  Works for me.  I understand the arguments both ways, but for me its the convenience of getting a drink while racing.  I have NEVER had an issue with splashing, however, I do use a shower poofy.  And I refill while in aero.

With that said, I am sure you are going to see more of these out there this year:

http://www.tollakson.com/ruster/ruster.htm

Tollakson used in at Kona last year.  I understand he had to modify it because it was providing illegal wind blocking or something.  Like I said, I do use an aero bottle, but this thing looks goofy.

2009-05-15 10:55 PM
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Dude --- that thing looks like an Alien Queen and a Specialized Transition had a love child....WTF!

I guess she is aero...

2009-05-15 10:59 PM
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I have both on my bike.. but i tend to use the rear mount bottle holder more.. plus i loss the sponge for aero bottle.. to lazy to get another..
2009-05-16 12:47 AM
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Aerobottle, 2 rear bottles AND a frame bottle. Long rides on not-very-populated roads. Still have the original yellow poofy that came with the bottle and it only splashes going over railroad tracks (or if filled over the line). Try putting the poof in sideways - that helps.




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2009-05-16 3:35 PM
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I bought the aero bottle with the neoprene insert on the lid, you know, cut into wedges kind of?  First ride I wasn't a block from the house before I was splashed all over.  After some trial and error, I went to Hobby Lobby and bought a sheet of that thin foam stuff they use for crafts.  Got blue to match my bike (I'm a chick, it's gotta match).  I cut a circle to fit inside the lid, and bought a cheapie leather punch so it would fit over the little nubs inside the lid.  One layer still splashed, I now have 3 layers and I only get the tiniest bit of sprinkle if the bottle is full and the road is bumpy.  The one downfall is that you can't really refill it on a ride, because the rubber bands hold it down, but I haven't needed more than a bottle on any of my rides yet.  Of course, I'm a newbie and not an Ironman trainee!

2009-05-16 4:13 PM
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For training, one on the downtube, and camelbak.  Effective, holds at least 3 bottles, and you can't lose it. I mean, you could, but it's a little less likely. Alternative w/no camelbak is to stick two additional in the jersey pockets.  And I always plan longer training rides to go past a store, in case of a need to refill.  It doesn't have to be complicated.

For racing, one bottle on the downtube, then eat off the course, regardless of distance. If you need a 2nd, I'd recommend the non-aerodrink between the bars holder.   For longer races, some folks will be more comfortable with two bottles on the bike, just in case they miss a bottle hand-up - easy to do when you're not stopped, and there's something to be said for not being out of fluids for 20 miles.  For these, drink that one first (between the bars), hopefully replenishing it each aid station. The downtube one is the backup plan. 

2009-05-16 8:38 PM
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4 bottles, no backpacks or anything in my back pockets, blah!

And no stores!!

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2009-05-16 9:25 PM
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I just got mine last week for  my White lake sprint and it did  not spill once, even with bumps  on the road. I have the one with the star shape lid  insert. If you put the yellow thing inside and lift it all the way to the top and fill your it up just below the  top of the yellow thing it will not splash.
2009-05-17 11:26 AM
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Subject: RE: Aero Bar Hydration (Front) versus Rear Mount
Only have one bike and it only has a cage on the frame,  so for long rides in the summer I'll use the rear mount if I'm using Infinite or something... for short rides less than 90 min,, just one bottle of water is normal for me.
2009-05-17 1:13 PM
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Slidell4life - 2009-05-15 2:28 PM

I use an Aerobottle with the yellow sponge. It doesn't spash for me, but I don't fill it up all the way. I think that's the key.


Agree about not filling it up all of the way to the very top.  I stop about an inch from the top, use the yellow thingy that came with it, AND I put a couple of pieces of black electrical tape over the top.  I did get a little bit of splash every once and a while if I was going over a lot of rough road so I added the electrical tape.  If I need to fill it, I just pop the top.   Contrary to others, I like having the straw there because it actually does remind me to keep drinking.

As far as time spent out of aero, I don't think that is significant.  I am out of aero enough anyway that I can get a drink from a bottle with no problem and no time penalty.  I just think the aero bottle is more convenient.
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