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2009-05-21 10:32 AM
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acumenjay - 2009-05-21 8:37 AM Well Cuse, you fired me up I think and something hit me yesterday in the afternoon and I decided to hammer it on the bike.  No crazy brick workout like you, but I hit that 21 mark for the first time too and damn did it feel good.

Now, if I could only motivate myself to run more.


crushed it, bro!!!

lets keep it going, keep chop chopin baby!!!!!


2009-05-21 10:35 AM
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velorider62 - 2009-05-21 8:49 AM

Congrats!!! Nice Job!!!

Keep working!!!

I live in Flat Florida (The Redlands)...but...here it's super-windy......Lucky you!!!



remember that in December!!! 
2009-05-21 10:58 AM
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acumenjay - 2009-05-21 10:16 AM
trix - 2009-05-21 10:12 AM see here is my problem.  last weekend i did a 58 mile ride and i ave 21 mph for the ride.  but i rode with a group and our tempo was 22-24 mph and on the way back i rode with an advanced group 24-28 mph.

at one part we managed to get to 30 mph and mainted pace for 3-5 miles.  yet i still ave 21 for the entire ride.  i understand with group the dynamic is different....

on solo ride i manage to set pace at 23-24 mph unless there is strong strong wind.  still i manage to ave 21-21.5 mph.  have a hard time constantly breaking 22 mph ave.

only time i did it was in an olympic race.  22.8 mph.



So, what's the problem?  Not sure I see a problem here. 


problem?  there isn't a problem.  i just like to go fast.  the faster the better. 

once i can ave 24-25 mph in a sprint race i won't be satisfied.
2009-05-21 11:34 AM
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trix - 2009-05-21 10:58 AM
acumenjay - 2009-05-21 10:16 AM
trix - 2009-05-21 10:12 AM see here is my problem.  last weekend i did a 58 mile ride and i ave 21 mph for the ride.  but i rode with a group and our tempo was 22-24 mph and on the way back i rode with an advanced group 24-28 mph.

at one part we managed to get to 30 mph and mainted pace for 3-5 miles.  yet i still ave 21 for the entire ride.  i understand with group the dynamic is different....

on solo ride i manage to set pace at 23-24 mph unless there is strong strong wind.  still i manage to ave 21-21.5 mph.  have a hard time constantly breaking 22 mph ave.

only time i did it was in an olympic race.  22.8 mph.



So, what's the problem?  Not sure I see a problem here. 


problem?  there isn't a problem.  i just like to go fast.  the faster the better. 

once i can ave 24-25 mph in a sprint race i won't be satisfied.


Don't worry, I found it. It's up there ^^^^

But back to the OP'er, well done.
2009-05-21 11:54 AM
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Force - 2009-05-21 12:34 PM
trix - 2009-05-21 10:58 AM
acumenjay - 2009-05-21 10:16 AM
trix - 2009-05-21 10:12 AM see here is my problem.  last weekend i did a 58 mile ride and i ave 21 mph for the ride.  but i rode with a group and our tempo was 22-24 mph and on the way back i rode with an advanced group 24-28 mph.

at one part we managed to get to 30 mph and mainted pace for 3-5 miles.  yet i still ave 21 for the entire ride.  i understand with group the dynamic is different....

on solo ride i manage to set pace at 23-24 mph unless there is strong strong wind.  still i manage to ave 21-21.5 mph.  have a hard time constantly breaking 22 mph ave.

only time i did it was in an olympic race.  22.8 mph.



So, what's the problem?  Not sure I see a problem here. 


problem?  there isn't a problem.  i just like to go fast.  the faster the better. 

once i can ave 24-25 mph in a sprint race i won't be satisfied.


Don't worry, I found it. It's up there ^^^^

But back to the OP'er, well done.


thanks!.

i'm actually not sure of the "problem" either. 

Going from AVGERAGING 21-21.5 in training to 22.8 in a race seems about right as that is a significant increase in power.  not only that, your alone in a race, so you dont have the advantage of being pulled along.  the course is different, conditions different, etc....

Not sure how you go 22-24 on the way out and 24-28 on the way back and push 30 mph for "3-5" miles, and average 21.5.  I think that is matmatically impossible.

also, not sure how you "set a pace" at 23-24 and average 21-21.5.  that too seems fairly impossible, mathmaticaly at least.  the only way (outside of stopping without stopping your watch) to come in with an avg speed of 21-21.5 with a good portion of the ride at 23-24 is to have a good portion of the ride at 18.5-19.5 or have some hills slow you down, which I dont think is happening in florida.

2009-05-21 12:51 PM
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hd-dream - 2009-05-19 11:02 PM

I can not wait to get to 21.  I will not buy a new bike until the engine can do this so I am working hard.



2X!!!

Great ride btw, i can only wish for now.


2009-05-21 1:06 PM
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cusetri - 2009-05-20 6:09 AM
moabrunner - 2009-05-19 10:50 PM Nice job. How did you feel? Were you really pushing it to the limit?


thanks!

majority of the ride was zone 2 effort, with 12 second jumps every 2 minutes....

definitely not pushing it to the limit....though I dont think I have much more yet as I believe the power required to go to 22-23 from 21 is significant, I would guess (this is a wild guess) 50-75% more.


You can estimate the power requirements to go from 21 to 23 from the formula for a Kurt Kinetic road machine trainer

P = (5.244820) * S + (0.01968) * S3

where S3 means speed cubed

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2009-05-21 1:11 PM
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From the formula I posted

292W for 21 mph

360W for 23 mph

Hope that helps

BTW Very impressive riding - I just wish I could keep a steady 20mph!

J

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2009-05-21 1:25 PM
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Subject: RE: frist ride over 21 mph!
cusetri - 2009-05-21 11:54 AM

Force - 2009-05-21 12:34 PM
trix - 2009-05-21 10:58 AM
acumenjay - 2009-05-21 10:16 AM
trix - 2009-05-21 10:12 AM see here is my problem.  last weekend i did a 58 mile ride and i ave 21 mph for the ride.  but i rode with a group and our tempo was 22-24 mph and on the way back i rode with an advanced group 24-28 mph.

at one part we managed to get to 30 mph and mainted pace for 3-5 miles.  yet i still ave 21 for the entire ride.  i understand with group the dynamic is different....

on solo ride i manage to set pace at 23-24 mph unless there is strong strong wind.  still i manage to ave 21-21.5 mph.  have a hard time constantly breaking 22 mph ave.

only time i did it was in an olympic race.  22.8 mph.



So, what's the problem?  Not sure I see a problem here. 


problem?  there isn't a problem.  i just like to go fast.  the faster the better. 

once i can ave 24-25 mph in a sprint race i won't be satisfied.


Don't worry, I found it. It's up there ^^^^

But back to the OP'er, well done.


thanks!.

i'm actually not sure of the "problem" either. 

Going from AVGERAGING 21-21.5 in training to 22.8 in a race seems about right as that is a significant increase in power.  not only that, your alone in a race, so you dont have the advantage of being pulled along.  the course is different, conditions different, etc....

Not sure how you go 22-24 on the way out and 24-28 on the way back and push 30 mph for "3-5" miles, and average 21.5.  I think that is matmatically impossible.

also, not sure how you "set a pace" at 23-24 and average 21-21.5.  that too seems fairly impossible, mathmaticaly at least.  the only way (outside of stopping without stopping your watch) to come in with an avg speed of 21-21.5 with a good portion of the ride at 23-24 is to have a good portion of the ride at 18.5-19.5 or have some hills slow you down, which I dont think is happening in florida.



22.8 race vs 21-21.5 in training makes sense to me.  no stop signs minor slowdown due to turns. 

single rides where I maintain 23-24 mph...i ride a 4 mile loop for shorter rides.  but to get to the loop i have to ride on a heavy traffic road so i guess i maintain a slower pace...18-20 mph thru traffic.  ok i can understand that. 

florida is not hilly agreed but it is windy.  shouldn't affect group rides as much.  i will have to pay much closer attention to the next few rides especially groups. 
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