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 2009-05-30 9:09 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
Veteran 249  |  Subject: RE: tell me it's the enginetrishie - 2009-05-29 9:13 PM I have been lusting after a new bike (the Cervelo P2, specifically). There are two problems: please remind me that it's the engine, and my trek 1500 with aero bars will be just fine for IMCOZ. Regardless of what other people have said, I will tell you for sure that you would be faster (not only on the bike, but also on the run) on a P2C over your Trek 1500. The P2C will put you in a much better position and your legs will thank you on the run. Of course your engine is the biggest component, but switching from a Trek 1500 to a P2C will make a world of difference. Edited by rcntly4298 2009-05-30 9:15 PM |
| 2009-05-30 9:20 PM in reply to: #2183723 |
Master 2355  Houston, TX | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine rcntly4298 - 2009-05-30 9:09 PM Regardless of what other people have said, I will tell you for sure that you would be faster (not only on the bike, but also on the run) on a P2C over your Trek 1500. The P2C will put you in a much better position and your legs will thank you on the run. Of course your engine is the biggest component, but switching from a Trek 1500 to a P2C will make a world of difference. incorrect. Faster? Yes. World of difference? No. Better run off the bike? No. Edited by smilford 2009-05-30 9:20 PM |
| 2009-05-30 9:25 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
Extreme Veteran 633 | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine trishie - 2009-05-29 9:13 PM I have been lusting after a new bike (the Cervelo P2, specifically). There are two problems: please remind me that it's the engine, and my trek 1500 with aero bars will be just fine for IMCOZ. I have a trek 1500. Bought a Javelin last year (better components, tri specific, not a road bike). I still use the trek  Edit: by the way, the trek is a freakin' tank. I've crashed twice in the last two weeks, the wheels are still true, the bike has no damage (except for scrapes on the pedals and handle bars). Edited by kevmk81 2009-05-30 9:26 PM |
| 2009-05-30 9:25 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine trishie - 2009-05-29 9:13 PM I have been lusting after a new bike (the Cervelo P2, specifically). There are two problems: please remind me that it's the engine, and my trek 1500 with aero bars will be just fine for IMCOZ. Hey Trishie, It's absolutely about the engine, but maybe there's some middle ground. http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=cervelo+p2&_sacat=See-All-Categories I got my frame off ebay (Specialized Festina Frame circa '02-'03) and it got me to Kona. I bet there's something sexy out there you can buy on the cheap in this economy! Get creative!!! |
| 2009-05-30 9:31 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Veteran 133 | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine Yes it is all about the engine! However, if the brain of that engine believes the engine is better because of the bike, then there is an instant boost to the engine. I say if you want it get it ASAP, otherwise keeping working on that engine! |
| 2009-05-30 9:36 PM in reply to: #2183634 |
Expert 608 St. Louis | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine Daremo - 2009-05-30 7:55 PM Screw that! Its a toy, you want it and you will earn it even more when you do your IM. Buy it, put it on the CC. You're a frickin' lawyer, if you can't pay off the bike with a bonus check at the end of the year or even stretch it out a little more, then there is something wrong. F' it and buy it ........... now!! Finally, X2 here's what you have to do. Get a Look 596. Custom Fit. Because it doesn't come in white you have to paint it white. Have white the background color with yellow and red stripes. White handle bar that has to be changed every month so it looks bright. Get some Soul 5.2 wheels (in white). You will be at least 4 mph faster and every one in you AG will let you win because you will have the sexiest bike. They will take photos with you and your bike. |
| 2009-05-30 9:53 PM in reply to: #2183745 |
| Veteran 249 | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine smilford - 2009-05-30 9:20 PM rcntly4298 - 2009-05-30 9:09 PM Regardless of what other people have said, I will tell you for sure that you would be faster (not only on the bike, but also on the run) on a P2C over your Trek 1500. The P2C will put you in a much better position and your legs will thank you on the run. Of course your engine is the biggest component, but switching from a Trek 1500 to a P2C will make a world of difference. incorrect. Faster? Yes. World of difference? No. Better run off the bike? No. Your telling me she would not notice a difference going from a road bike to a tri bike on her run? I could give you countless articles that will say otherwise. Here is one that pretty much covers everything... "The secondary advantage to a triathlon bike is easier transitions from bike to run and faster running. Ian Garside and Dominic Doran published an interesting study in June of 2000 in the Journal of Sports Sciences. The study is known as “The Garside Study” and is used in triathlon bike fitting schools such as Dan Empfield’s Fit Institute of Slowtwitch (F.I.S.T.). The Garside study tested athletes in a biomechanical setting, in other words, aerodynamics on the bike were not a factor in the results: Aerodynamic benefits would be in addition to the biomechanical benefits from a triathlon bike. Test subjects performed a 40 kilometer (24.8 mile) time trial on a road geometry bike in a stationary trainer followed immediately by a 10 kilometer (6.2 mile) run on a treadmill. Later the same test subjects repeated the test protocol but used a triathlon geometry bike on the stationary trainer then transitioned immediately to the treadmill for the 10 kilometer run. Time savings for athletes running off the triathlon bike were enormous: They averaged a full 5 minutes time savings on the 10 kilometer run when they transitioned off a tri bike as opposed to transitioning off a road bike. Simply put, you’ll run faster and more comfortably off a triathlon bike than a road bike." World of difference....I guess that depends on what time savings would be important to the person I guess I just dont understand, how you a coach, can honestly say a person would not be faster on the run riding a tri bike vs a road bike. Edited by rcntly4298 2009-05-30 10:18 PM |
| 2009-05-30 10:23 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine 5min on a 10k? What the hell were they doing? What kind of road bike setup were they riding? That sounds like a horribly biased test. Plus Tom's articles aren't the best source out there. Have you heard of the ITU? I believe they blow a hole in that idea.. either that or they are all capable of breaking the world record. Plus when I went from my Felt f70 cheapie road bike to my orbea, well fitted TT bike.. I went from running 5:50 off the bike to.. eff me.. 5:50s off the bike. Either I should of been running 5:20 or I did something horribly wrong. Plus the main difference in most TT bikes is that they are built around a steeper seat angle. What's stopping someone from swapping out a seat post or just riding the nose of the seat and getting the same 'world of difference'. Not as good as a TT bike which is made for it, but certainly would make that 'world of difference' smaller. Not that it's that big to begin with. |
| 2009-05-30 10:36 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine Why I say that a bike doesn't make you a faster runner? Because I've seen too many examples of people proving that they don't help you run faster. Now I've been told by several bike shops that this is infact true, and believed it my self when I first got into the sport. I've just seen no actual good solid proof proving it so. Things I think that keep this rumour sticking around are a few little things. People on a entry level road bike are usually ill-fitted on that bike and are beginners. They then upgrade to a nice bike and if you're spending good money on a bike why not get a $100 bike fit? So if you take a person with a horrible fit on their current bike, which is of no wrong-doing of the bike.. just the owner, and then take them and position them well on their new bike. That could show some gains on the run. Even more so.. What do you do with a new bike? You typically ride a lot. What improves your run off the bike the most? Your bike fitness. Now if you take seasoned, well positioned person, even on a regular old roadie setup, and give them a TT bike and position them correctly on that too.. The difference in runs would be minor at best. My arguement is it's not the bike, it's more the position, but even more so it's your bike fitness. No matter what, 5min on a 10k is over the top. Edited by smilford 2009-05-30 10:38 PM |
| 2009-05-30 10:52 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine trishie - 2009-05-29 9:13 PM I have been lusting after a new bike (the Cervelo P2, specifically). There are two problems: please remind me that it's the engine, and my trek 1500 with aero bars will be just fine for IMCOZ. I will work JUST FINE. Really. I have a Cervelo tri bike and I took my Specialized Tarmac roadie to my Ironman. Your Trek will do a great job... just get the engine in tip-top shape. |
 2009-05-31 6:32 AM in reply to: #2183783 |
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| 2009-05-31 6:50 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
Master 1572 PA | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine PennState & I talked very briefly about this very thing yesterday. I want a new bike. I also know I am slow and I genuinely believe for me it is about the engine. With that said, the main reason I want a new bike is I'm just not comfortable on my current bike. It's a road bike w/ aerobars. I try to ride aero when I'm solo, but when I ride with people (usually once a week), I sit up. So, I've tried to hybrid the fit to be able to both. And I basically hate riding b/c I'm not comfy. I can't wait to get off the thing, and I rarely ride even one minute longer than I have to. So, for me, it's not the bike pjorn, it's rooted in wanting a bike that i love to ride b/c i love my bike. If you are comfy on your road bike, I wouldn't even question staying with it. |
| 2009-05-31 7:54 AM in reply to: #2182670 |
| Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine Experior - 2009-05-29 11:55 PM At my HIM a few weeks ago I played a little game -- count how many Cervelos I can pass in 56 miles on my beloved, but, cheap (from ebay), and very much used, Orbea with the tank wheels. I lost count. (OK, so I s-ck at swimming, and I overcooked the bike and blew up on the run. Still, it was fun...) If you buy the P2, you can't play this game.
So did you turn around and count the riders as they past you on the run after they properly paced themselves on the bike and didnt "overcook" on the bike. remember it is mastering all 3 sports and it is who gets to the finish line first.... there are no trophies for bloqing by someone on the swim or the bike..... |
| 2009-05-31 8:06 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Master 1702 Southern Ontario | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine Just wait. I rode my Devinci Chicane with Sora components for 8 years. Aluminum frame, fork, Profile clip on aerobars. I finally bought a tri-bike because I had the cash. (Plus - I bought it used.) I love my Cervelo - but I didn't "need" it. I could have raced just fine on my Devinci. It's not worth bringing all that debt on yourself right now. Wait until you can pay cash for it. It will avoid conflicts with your SO and it will make it that much sweeter when you can just go buy it without resorting to "borrowing" the money. |
| 2009-05-31 8:14 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine My solution to this dilemma was to buy the tri bike AFTER I finished my first Ironman, while training for my second. A road bike with aerobars is perfectly sufficient to finish an Ironman. If you're coming back to triathlons after Cozumel, then go get yourself that bike as your reward. This sport can be an endless hole to fill with your money - it's OK to start slow. |
| 2009-05-31 8:23 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine I agree it is about the engine. But my entire point is ....... if you want something, get it!! This is a hobby for 99% of us. If you get something that makes you enjoy the hobby even more on top of adding a marginal increase in speed, that is a win-win to me! (But bear in mind that this is coming from someone who worked in the industry and after every trade show I would come back and put a wish list together and start ordering things just to drop 30 grams on my bikes ......)  And run better off the bike just by switching to a tri bike?? Stop, you're killing me here ....... and just make my job even harder as a coach. You want to run better off the bike? Get a bike that fits your body type and physical limitations really well and ride and run lots. There's no magic to it. |
| 2009-05-31 8:27 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
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| 2009-05-31 8:37 AM in reply to: #2184021 |
| Master 2301 Rogersville, Alabama | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine trigods - 2009-05-31 7:54 AM Experior - 2009-05-29 11:55 PM At my HIM a few weeks ago I played a little game -- count how many Cervelos I can pass in 56 miles on my beloved, but, cheap (from ebay), and very much used, Orbea with the tank wheels. I lost count. (OK, so I s-ck at swimming, and I overcooked the bike and blew up on the run. Still, it was fun...) If you buy the P2, you can't play this game.
So did you turn around and count the riders as they past you on the run after they properly paced themselves on the bike and didnt "overcook" on the bike. remember it is mastering all 3 sports and it is who gets to the finish line first.... there are no trophies for bloqing by someone on the swim or the bike..... x2 Ride for Show and Run for Dough. |
| 2009-05-31 8:40 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine I agree, nothing wrong with a new toy. I have three my self haha. Though I can't recommend going into debt for one though, just can't do that. ;p Just remember that work is what everything boils down to. Not what you're riding. |
| 2009-05-31 8:54 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
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| 2009-05-31 10:12 AM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Extreme Veteran 451 Stoughton, WI | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine Again, don't put it on the CC. This is a hobby, the bike is a TOY. You may someday think you NEED it, but it's still a toy. An adult waits and saves up for what they want. A 4 year old wants it now regardless of consequences. |
| 2009-05-31 12:57 PM in reply to: #2184175 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine No, an adult evaluates their needs/wants versus their potential income and/or the impact it has on their finances. A two income family with no kids (if I remember correctly) and at least one being a lawyer to me = put it on the CC, and she'll have it paid off before the end of the year. A P2C is only around $2500 complete. It is not THAT big of a thing compared to others out there. Hell, my wheels retail for that! |
| 2009-05-31 2:16 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine If you are spending the money on an ironman entry fee and paying the money to travel and stay there then why not get the bike as well. I mean if you are a lawyer, its not like you will be paying on it for 10 years or something. Yes it is the engine, but having an awesome bike that you love is a great motivator to get in more training to help build a bigger engine. Bottom line....I would get it for sure. |
| 2009-05-31 9:24 PM in reply to: #2182495 |
| Expert 763 Behind you | Subject: RE: tell me it's the engine Last week.... I finally paid off exactly $110,000.00 worth of CREDIT CARD debt! During that time, I divorced due to the fighting/blaming/stress that I was going through. I am now DEBT FREE and loving every minute of it. Never had to file bruptcy, but came close. In my past post, I recommended getting a P2C. Save for it with envelopes... put X dollars away each payday and before you know it, you'll have it. Or, put the trek out on ebay/craigslist and see what you can apply towards a new bike. Paying cash for something is very emotional. Good luck on this. |
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