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2005-04-20 11:07 AM

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Subject: Question about what constitues Ironman
So I'm looking at Iron distance races(planning for 07) and really like the  True Texan event for logistical purposes, but no where on the website do you see the Ironman logo.  It's 2.4mile swim, 112 bike, 26.2 run, just like an ironman.  If I'm going to do this(and finish), I sure as heck want to be able to get finisher gear, so should I not do Texas and go for an actual  race with Ironman in it's title?


2005-04-20 11:09 AM
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Subject: RE: Question about what constitues Ironman
Check out the thread in the Iron Distance section.  The True Texan is a small event with limited support from the sound of it.  I think I'd go with an IMNA event as my first, but that's just me (never done any distance tri yet).
2005-04-20 11:12 AM
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IRONMAN is a brand name, if that's important to you then do one put on by the official organization. To me, the accomplishment of the distance is just as frigging nuts great with or without the branding.

2005-04-20 11:13 AM
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Subject: RE: Question about what constitues Ironman
"Ironman" is a trademark.  I believe the company is headquartered in Clearwater, FL.  Only with their permission can a race use the ironman name/logo.  Non-"ironman" races usually refer to themselves as "iron-distance."  Finishing one would be an equal achievement, but you will not get the "ironman" gear.  IM Florida 2008 is my goal; part of my criteria for picking a race was that it was an "official" ironman race. 
2005-04-20 11:16 AM
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MobAlTri - 2005-04-20 10:13 AM"I" Finishing one would be an equal achievement, but you will not get the "ironman" gear. IM Florida 2008 is my goal; part of my criteria for picking a race was that it was an "official" ironman race.


Ok, looking more and more like Couer D Alene is my goal, for the same reason. 

2005-04-20 11:19 AM
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Oh no, here we go on the True Texan again. Look at the Long Distance forum for some more info on this race. An Ironman to me is if it covers the 2.4 mi swim, 112 mi. bike, and 26.2 mi. run. The True Texan just isn't an IMNA event.


2005-04-20 11:20 AM
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Okay, I guess I could have read what others wrote before I said the exact same thing, sorry.
2005-04-20 11:20 AM
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Subject: RE: Question about what constitues Ironman

To be an ironman you have to do 140.6 miles, that certainly doesn't have to be part of a IMNA race.  There are good iron distance races out there.  You need to question of you want to do a large race, IMNA ~ 2000 people, or smaller.  Personally I am drawn towards doing the IMNA events because I don't know if I could deal with that much solitude if there were only a handful of competitors, I don't know what kind of trafic control a handful of competitors can buy, and I know I want the proper medical staff available if needed.  I believe the back of "Be IronFit" talks about some of the iron distance races out there and their pros and cons.  One example of a good iron distance, non IMNA is Vineman.

Just depends on what you want your experience to be.

2005-04-20 11:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Question about what constitues Ironman
140.6 is 140.6 no matter who puts on the race. I chose IMAZ because I wanted a nonshark infested ocean swim and because I wanted to know there was going to be food when I need it and medical staff available if I needed them, especially for an inaugural race.
2005-04-20 12:49 PM
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I thought the True Texan was an Ironman distance + that weird Mad Max event that I read about. You know, Texans always have to do things in a big way.

2005-04-23 10:53 AM
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The beauty of non WTC iron distance races is that the entry fee is not generally as high (I know, I know, you get what you pay for) and you don't have to commit a full year in advance to get an entry. Sure signing up a year in advance cements your resolve to do the race but a year is a long time. What if the unforseen happens such as an injury or a personal issue that forces you to miss the race? OR, what if during all that training you realize that you have just bitten off more than you can chew?Now you are out your 500 bucks entry fee. The smaller races usually don't fill up as fast allowing you to sign up closer to race date so that if life happens to get in the way three months from race day you don't lose your entry fee ( assuming you haven't already signed up). That being said, I think the WTC events seem like awesome experiences and, from what I hear, are truly top-notch events in terms of organization and support.
I am planning my first iron distance race (no WTC)this September and still have yet to sign up. If all goes well, I would like to sign up for a WTC event for next year- a decision I will need to make by July so I can sign up for IMLP).


2005-04-24 4:28 AM
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OK - I give up: What is WTC?????? If its an obvious answer, I'm not really stupid - my excuse is its 4:27 am.
2005-04-24 5:27 AM
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WTC = World Triathlon Championship = Kona
2005-04-24 9:39 AM
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Subject: RE: Question about what constitues Ironman
Org. that governs IM... unlike USAT, they govern rules regarding all other forms of triathlons (in the US of course). And, yes there are USAT sponsored IM distance races... they are referred to as Long course triathlons or Iron distance triathlons (both terms are a more generic term for IM distance triathlons).

You also see problems with the term Olympic distance (USAT tri)... while a lot people call them Oly's, the USAT official term is International Distances (sometimes called and ID tri). This has to do with trademark issues with the US Olympic Organization. As you can see, many names are convaluted because of trademark issues rather than practical useage preferances. It's confusing - I know....

Rules are very simular between USAT and WTC, but they do have some differences.

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2005-04-24 2:53 PM
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I can't believe someone would would choose a race based on finishers' gear. Lame. I guess it's not worth doing if you can't brag about it.

2005-04-24 5:57 PM
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Actually WTC stands for World Triathlon Corporation but they are indeed the ones who own Kona. The WTC owns the copyright on the whole M-DOT logo thing so if there is an M-DOT logo affiliated with the race it is a WTC race (or at least it better be if the organizers don't want to get their asses sued by the WTC).


2005-05-01 12:33 AM
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Subject: RE: Question about what constitues Ironman
Yes, WTC stands for World Triathlon Corporation, and they are the ones with the trademark Ironman logo.  If you want that brand merchandise/gear at your race, then you need to do one of the WTC road to Kona Ironnman (or half IM) qualifying events.  However, in my book, if you do the distance, regardless of the venue, you have every right to consider yourself an Ironman.
2005-05-01 1:58 PM
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2005-05-04 7:58 PM
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It all comes down to whether you feel that you need the logo/trademark to be validated or whether the accomplishment is enough.

IMO, the answer to that question often is determined by the reason you are doing an ironman-distance in the first place.
2005-05-04 8:08 PM
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Hey, whoa, whoa ... let's not tread on someone else's ground now. *Big Grin*

[Note the avatar ... if I ever feel the desire to get an "Ironman tattoo" ... my avatar is what I'll get, as oppossed to a corp logo.]
2005-05-07 10:31 AM
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Although I am just getting into the sport, I definitely have Ironman somwhere on the radar.  I feel it is not so much about the logo as it is about ensuring a certain level of support, experience in running these types of events, and plenty of fellow psychos to race with. 

The M-dot logo has certainly been etched in many of our minds as the ultimate symbol of IM achievement and I feel it's a nice touch, but the support along the race is the key for me...IF I were to ever sign up for an IM, that is

As far as the cost of the WTC events is concerned... "you get what you pay for" is pretty accurate.  But we also can't forget that every time one of those cool corporate M-dot logos is printed somewhere, SOMEONE is paying for it!

I say decide what you want out of the race experience, (i.e. flexibility in signing up late, cost of the event, # of participants, distance from home, finishing gear, race course profile, etc...), do your homework (I am sure there are non-WTC Iron-distance races that have the support and numbers of the big races) , and be honest with yourself so that you don't finish the 140.6 miles and think "that was great, but I wish I had..." (unless of course you are thinking of doing several IM's...then you can do all types of races).



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