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DMarkSwan - 2009-07-09 8:50 AM

Anyone else driving in from Eastern Wake County? I'm just volunteering, so no stuff to haul. They told me I could park in the park if I was there by 6:30, but if I can avoid taking a spot, I'd like to. I may bring my bike, park remote and bike in.



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I sent you a PM. I am racing and will pick you up if you like. I think you live not too far from me.

Doug

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2009-07-09 9:00 AM
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This being my first triathlon the family definitely wants to be there to support me. They will just have to get up and roll with me early in the morning. I told the wife we could launch the boat across the lake and she could motor on over after the swim was done. She wasn't going for it though. Parking along Avent Ferry Rd at the Elementary School could be an option for family members that wouldn't mind just seeing you ride by and cheer for everyone else. Of course, that's not as fun as seeing you cross the finish line.
2009-07-09 9:04 AM
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keyone - 2009-07-09 9:58 AM I'm dismayed at the lack of planning. To host a race with 1000+ participants in a spot with hardly any parking? What were they thinking! I am guessing that Triangle will go back on my list of "Must Not Do" races after this weekend.


It will be better for the racers.  Trust me!  I did not like the old location for SO many reasons...

1. Extremely narrow roads shared by cyclists and runners, both outbound and inbound. 
2. Deathtrap dismount area.
3.  EVERYONE had to walk forever in, forever out.  There was no parking in Lake Crabtree park for racers.
4.  Lake Crabtree.  Ick.  No comment on halfpint's mocking of eco-friendly. 
5.  Do you remember the size of the rocks we had to run across exiting T1?  Not to mention the carpets that were blown away/wadded up?

Don't give up on it yet Carol.

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2009-07-09 9:07 AM
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I rode the course 3 times, I have done the run and walked the park. I think it will be a terrific tri! The parking issue is the only negative. Maybe next year they can arrange shuttles for spectators.

Doug

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2009-07-09 9:12 AM
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DMarkSwan - 2009-07-09 9:50 AM

Anyone else driving in from Eastern Wake County? I'm just volunteering, so no stuff to haul. They told me I could park in the park if I was there by 6:30, but if I can avoid taking a spot, I'd like to. I may bring my bike, park remote and bike in.

  Thank you Mark for "just" volunteering!!  It's volunteers that make it possible to race.

Cheer for us BTers!
2009-07-09 9:21 AM
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fgump - 2009-07-09 10:04 AM
keyone - 2009-07-09 9:58 AM I'm dismayed at the lack of planning. To host a race with 1000+ participants in a spot with hardly any parking? What were they thinking! I am guessing that Triangle will go back on my list of "Must Not Do" races after this weekend.


It will be better for the racers.  Trust me!  I did not like the old location for SO many reasons...

1. Extremely narrow roads shared by cyclists and runners, both outbound and inbound. 
2. Deathtrap dismount area.
3.  EVERYONE had to walk forever in, forever out.  There was no parking in Lake Crabtree park for racers.
4.  Lake Crabtree.  Ick.  No comment on halfpint's mocking of eco-friendly. 
5.  Do you remember the size of the rocks we had to run across exiting T1?  Not to mention the carpets that were blown away/wadded up?

Don't give up on it yet Carol.


I agree with fgump.  Set Up Events almost ALWAYS run smoothly.  This being the first year for this venue it maybe a learning experience but I am sure it'll be fine.  It always is...these races are always very well organized.  I'm sure we'll be pleasantly surprised with the logistics of the parking! Wink


2009-07-09 9:52 AM
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My only complaint about the parking is it means I have to get a 3 and 5 year old up at 5:30/6am and then deal with their, uhm, tiredness later that day :-) Other than that, looking forward to the race. It should be a good one.
2009-07-09 10:27 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out how the top bike splits last year were in the low 30's? Was the bike leg the same distance last year? Maybe I'm off, but that seems near 30 mph? Is this race all downhill or something?

I'm also not looking forward to the parking situation. I've done a few Setup Events races and I'd rate them as just average...we'll see how this one goes I guess.
2009-07-09 10:35 AM
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nhangen - 2009-07-09 11:27 AM I'm still trying to figure out how the top bike splits last year were in the low 30's? Was the bike leg the same distance last year? Maybe I'm off, but that seems near 30 mph? Is this race all downhill or something?

I'm also not looking forward to the parking situation. I've done a few Setup Events races and I'd rate them as just average...we'll see how this one goes I guess.


Can't speak to last year because I didn't do it, but this years course is definitely not all downhill. It is routhly up for the first half and down for the second (with undulations all along). From what I hear, last years course was not particularly easy. And how do these guys get to 25-30mph? They are strong, fast and train very hard. :-)
2009-07-09 10:45 AM
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I really like this bike route! The beginning is mostly a gradual incline, Freindship is undulating and probably the worst surface. Holly Springs is terrific with some up and down, 55 is one downhill followed by an up hill and Avents Ferry is fast. Cannot wait! I have done 3 times.
2009-07-09 10:50 AM
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Did a little checking, last year was 15 miles instead of 17.5. So the top bike finisher averaged 26.5mph. Still way out of my league!

I plan to be wearing an old beat up cowboy hat. Don't know where I'll be working.



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I certainly have mixed emotions at this point.  I like the course and the lake but it's a real bummer on traffic.  We live in Cary and I wanted my wife and kids to come.  ages 6,5,3.  NOT HAPPENING SAYS THE WIFE.  I understand.  I don't know about you all but I feel better have a support group there, espcially my family.  Now I'm just doing a Tri, and it sucks because my family doesn't want to get up at 5, and I can't blame my wife...really think about it, what woman in her right mind wants to drag 3 kids without enough sleep around a crowded event for 4+ hours, and OH, then in the car after the race trying to get out.  Sweet dreams sweetie, I'll be triing all alone on this one.

Here is one of my first pet peevs with triathlon events , I will be doing "Family Friendly" Tri's going forward.  I want to promote the sport but how so when it limits spectator avaliability and mobility?  Heck, what about emergency evacs?

from my perspective, not well planned..but I'll reserve my judgement till after the event.
2009-07-09 6:37 PM
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hrliles - 2009-07-09 7:03 PM I certainly have mixed emotions at this point.  I like the course and the lake but it's a real bummer on traffic.  We live in Cary and I wanted my wife and kids to come.  ages 6,5,3.  NOT HAPPENING SAYS THE WIFE.  I understand.  I don't know about you all but I feel better have a support group there, espcially my family.  Now I'm just doing a Tri, and it sucks because my family doesn't want to get up at 5, and I can't blame my wife...really think about it, what woman in her right mind wants to drag 3 kids without enough sleep around a crowded event for 4+ hours, and OH, then in the car after the race trying to get out.  Sweet dreams sweetie, I'll be triing all alone on this one.

Here is one of my first pet peevs with triathlon events , I will be doing "Family Friendly" Tri's going forward.  I want to promote the sport but how so when it limits spectator avaliability and mobility?  Heck, what about emergency evacs?

from my perspective, not well planned..but I'll reserve my judgement till after the event.


My family pretty much doesn't come to the events anymore.  Family went to Virginia Beach with me for Shamrock marathon. 

Didn't even ask them if they wanted to go to White Lake this year. 

Wife's keeping nursery at Church this Sunday, so not an option for them to come out to Triangle (though we have parked remote and walked in to spectate for friends in years' past at Lake Crabtree). 

Personally, I don't like putting them through the waiting game just to see me for 10 seconds as I flash by.

I am, however, buying 2 plane tickets to Boston   My wife DEFINITELY wants to accompany me on that trip next year!! 
2009-07-09 6:38 PM
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agreed. I've done setup events before, so its not them, its just this event not being spectator friendly as hrliles says.

I understand the parking issue but spectators are a very important part of this sport just as the competitors are. They should be considered the same just as each paying person.

now i'm plannin on having to meet my mom sometime in the AM so that she can park her car miles away and wait while i setup transition and get marked n such til the race starts and then have to wait til they open the roads up again after. And this omits my pops on spectating as i'm sure he's on call and as a physician, having accessable transportation is dire.

2009-07-10 7:29 AM
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Maybe Setup is just stressing it to make sure some people car pool. I would have just driven my car in by myself had they not made such a big deal about it.

I try to talk my wife out of coming to races because I feel bad about all the time waiting and seeing little action. We drive down with the family to Wilmington the morning of the race. That's a really early morning, but at least its still dark and the kids go back to sleep.

2009-07-10 7:35 AM
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I'm with Mark on this one. If they said nothing and were overcrowded in the lots the outcry would be worse than prewarning us and encouraging carpooling. Being over-cautious in this instance is good.


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Question on the Event Page...it says keep swim buoys on your right as not to cut them?  If we are going counter clockwise, should we keep them on our left?  If I have lost my mind please forgive me?  I think they just got it wrong but I wanted to ask the question if I am having some kind of brain lapse.
2009-07-10 8:42 AM
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DougRob - 2009-07-10 8:35 AM I'm with Mark on this one. If they said nothing and were overcrowded in the lots the outcry would be worse than prewarning us and encouraging carpooling. Being over-cautious in this instance is good.


It is really unfortunate about the parking situation, although I do appreciate the heads up. For me, what this means (just chatted with my wife) is that the family will likely not come down at all. While that is OK, it does make this event a "no do" for next year since I really like to turn these races into a bit of a family outing (i.e., the kids get tired and cranky from sitting around for hours). For sprints especially, you have the chance to see the competitors 3 or 4 times in 90 or so minutes, which makes it worth my wife/kids' time. BUT they are not keen to get up at 6am on a Sunday for that dubious pleasure. Anyway, that might just be me. Still, its a shame. As for the buoy question, I was thinking the same thing but figured they got it muddled, just like they muddled the cap color/start times up (the put the headings on the wrong column, so for instance I am starting at "white" wearing a "7:34" cap. :-)
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I was thinking the exact same thing about the swim buoy comment as well. I guess it will all be cleared up at the pre-race meeting on Sat.
2009-07-10 8:47 AM
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louiskie - 2009-07-10 8:42 AM
DougRob - 2009-07-10 8:35 AM I'm with Mark on this one. If they said nothing and were overcrowded in the lots the outcry would be worse than prewarning us and encouraging carpooling. Being over-cautious in this instance is good.


It is really unfortunate about the parking situation, although I do appreciate the heads up. For me, what this means (just chatted with my wife) is that the family will likely not come down at all. While that is OK, it does make this event a "no do" for next year since I really like to turn these races into a bit of a family outing (i.e., the kids get tired and cranky from sitting around for hours). For sprints especially, you have the chance to see the competitors 3 or 4 times in 90 or so minutes, which makes it worth my wife/kids' time. BUT they are not keen to get up at 6am on a Sunday for that dubious pleasure. Anyway, that might just be me. Still, its a shame. As for the buoy question, I was thinking the same thing but figured they got it muddled, just like they muddled the cap color/start times up (the put the headings on the wrong column, so for instance I am starting at "white" wearing a "7:34" cap. :-)


Yep. My family made the exact same decision. They're not coming. The key for next year will be finding out if Set Up has resolved the parking issue. I am going to keep checking the Set Up site over the next 48 hours to see if they have updates. I received a useless update about printing out the maps myself this AM.
2009-07-10 8:52 AM
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FWIW: The rules say no Headphones in the Bike section, but there is no mention in the run section. I don't plan on using any, but thought it was interesting. Got to be an oversight.


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I'm very bummed about the change of venue away from Lake Crabtree. This was my "benchmark" race since I started two seasons ago, so now I don't have a benchmark. I guess folks complained about Lake Crabtree being disgusting. I frankly never noticed and really liked it where it was.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to Sunday's race. I'm treating it as a brick workout, not tapering or anything. I'm going to aim to peak for the Roxboro sprint in August.

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yup, i'm nervous again!Embarassedeeeeeeeeeeek!

why cant i be a merman...
2009-07-10 6:39 PM
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I'm planning to be there as a volunteer this year. If I remember, I'll be wearing a CAF (Challenged Athletes Foundation) running hat.

Good luck everyone.
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hrliles - 2009-07-10 9:04 AM Question on the Event Page...it says keep swim buoys on your right as not to cut them?  If we are going counter clockwise, should we keep them on our left?  If I have lost my mind please forgive me?  I think they just got it wrong but I wanted to ask the question if I am having some kind of brain lapse.


Some clarification:

Email from Bill Scott---

The map is correct.  Keep the buoys to the left.

Bill Scott
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For the Triangle swim course, the race directions indicate to keep the buoys on our right as we negotiate the course. That would mean swimming inside the buoys, as the swim is counter-clockwise. Is that supposed to read "keep the buoys to your left"? Thanks, looking forward to the race! Bill

 

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