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2009-06-24 1:11 PM

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Subject: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
I have no interest in spending more than my bike costs on a set of wheels and that thread on disk covers got me wondering what the cheapest legitimate race wheels are. Obviously wheels cost pretty much whatever you can afford. So how little can you spend (lets assume you're buying new) to get decent race wheels? That is, can $200 get you anything decent? $400? $600? Or are you stuck in the $1000+ range before you can see a measureable improvement? Just FYI, I am on a P2SL with stock Shimano R500 wheels.


2009-06-24 1:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
Rear - disc cover - $100 (or less).

Front - used 404, Hed trispoke, or Blackwell - $4 - 600.

You will have plenty of aero benefit and it is a cost effective strategy.
2009-06-24 1:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
Daremo - 2009-06-24 2:12 PM Rear - disc cover - $100 (or less).

Front - used 404, Hed trispoke, or Blackwell - $4 - 600.

You will have plenty of aero benefit and it is a cost effective strategy.


Thanks! That's not too bad actually. When is father's day again? :-)
2009-06-24 1:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
Well, as you probably know, for less than $100 you can have a disc for your rear wheel.  You will probably have to spend more for the front.  But if you are patient and look used, you should be able to get one for a few hundred dollars.  But even getting a nice new one for the front, you can come in under $1,000.  I spent about $700 on my set-up (Zipp 808 and cover, excluding the PT wheel).
2009-06-24 1:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
The shop that sponsors my bike race team has demo wheels they sell. Flashpoints that are old Zipp 404s style were $750 with skewers & tires...great deal considering how much they are equal wheels are.

Shop around and be patient. I did well when I bought Zipp 404s with power tap hub on ebay paid probably 1/3 or a little bit more than the going price.
2009-06-24 1:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
I got my HED3 wheelset off of Ebay for $900.

Neuvation has a reasonably priced deep wheel (the C50) for less than $300 each right now.


2009-06-24 1:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
louiskie - 2009-06-24 2:11 PM I have no interest in spending more than my bike costs on a set of wheels and that thread on disk covers got me wondering what the cheapest legitimate race wheels are. Obviously wheels cost pretty much whatever you can afford. So how little can you spend (lets assume you're buying new) to get decent race wheels? That is, can $200 get you anything decent? $400? $600? Or are you stuck in the $1000+ range before you can see a measureable improvement? Just FYI, I am on a P2SL with stock Shimano R500 wheels.


Just another option that's fairly cost-effective depending on how many races you do per season...

www.racedaywheels.com

Good service, and all the fancy Zipp goodness. $140-200 or so depending on the fanciness of your setup, but even so you'd have to do 10-15 races before you reach the cost of a new pair of Zipps... And you're always riding on the most current model!
2009-06-24 1:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels

Aikidoman - 2009-06-24 2:35 PM I got my HED3 wheelset off of Ebay for $900.

Neuvation has a reasonably priced deep wheel (the C50) for less than $300 each right now.

I got my Hed3C Wheel Set on Ebay too for only $ 800

2009-06-24 1:40 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
Daremo - 2009-06-24 1:12 PM Rear - disc cover - $100 (or less).

Front - used 404, Hed trispoke, or Blackwell - $4 - 600.

You will have plenty of aero benefit and it is a cost effective strategy.


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is the setup I have    (used tri spoke)  until Tri-ritter crashes at my place again and I can steal his wheels,, it's a good set up
2009-06-24 1:46 PM
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Wow.  Louiskie's shopping for race wheels.  Guess I better kick my training up another 10 notches...

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I opted for lighter weight for my hilly races (Easton Vista SLs, on a killer deal at Performance), and stuck with the fairly aero (yet heavier) Shimanos that came stock on my Felt (27mm rim, bladed spokes).  I'm concentrating on the engine.  I told myself I would get a new bike at 10k miles.  The new bike will have aero wheels.  Time to start saving.

p.s. you definitely don't need those new wheels before Triangle.

 

2009-06-24 1:53 PM
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fgump - 2009-06-24 2:46 PM

Wow.  Louiskie's shopping for race wheels.  Guess I better kick my training up another 10 notches...

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I opted for lighter weight for my hilly races (Easton Vista SLs, on a killer deal at Performance), and stuck with the fairly aero (yet heavier) Shimanos that came stock on my Felt (27mm rim, bladed spokes).  I'm concentrating on the engine.  I told myself I would get a new bike at 10k miles.  The new bike will have aero wheels.  Time to start saving.

p.s. you definitely don't need those new wheels before Triangle.

 



Nobody needs race wheels... They sure are fun though.


2009-06-24 2:05 PM
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fgump - 2009-06-24 2:46 PM

Wow.  Louiskie's shopping for race wheels.  Guess I better kick my training up another 10 notches...

Frown

I opted for lighter weight for my hilly races (Easton Vista SLs, on a killer deal at Performance), and stuck with the fairly aero (yet heavier) Shimanos that came stock on my Felt (27mm rim, bladed spokes).  I'm concentrating on the engine.  I told myself I would get a new bike at 10k miles.  The new bike will have aero wheels.  Time to start saving.

p.s. you definitely don't need those new wheels before Triangle.

 



No worries on me getting new wheels any time soon Bill/fgump. I doubt they would keep me in front of you for long anyway. I'm with you on doing "engine maintenance and tune up" but every now and then I like to dream about fun wheels too.
2009-06-24 3:04 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
i have a blackwell 100 front i am getting rid of for cheap;-)
2009-06-24 3:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
I paid $400 for my 404s...cassette, tires, skewers included. They had less than 100 miles on them. Paid $500 for my Heds (H3/Alps)--same stuff came wth them, and they were new.

Now, you might pay a bit more, but depending on what you're looking for (650 or 700, used or new, dimpled or non, etc), there are certainly still deals out there. My 808s were new, and cost me about $1100 (bought them separately).
2009-06-24 3:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
Someone just has too many wheel sets for one person ....... ^^^

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2009-06-24 3:12 PM
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I just got a set of 2008 Alloy Neuvation aero wheels w/ a casette all for under $500. Haven't raced them yet but put the front one on, like it a lot.


2009-06-24 3:19 PM
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I bought the Easton Aero EA90 wheelset last year brand new off off ebay for $450.00   Best money I ever spent.  They are super-light at 1500grams, they are bombproof (you can ride them over cobblestone and they stay true -- and I ride over coublestone twice a week to get into a cemetery) ; the hubs are silky smooth and they absorb the road very well.  To be honest, I've rode Zipp 808 rentals several times and they are just as stiff and roll just as well, and my times around loops is pretty much the same with both rims. 

I just took a peak at Ebay and they sell for a lot more then when I got them, but it looks like you can still get them for 500 bucks.  Absolute excellent rim that you can race and train on. 

http://www.eastonbike.com/PRODUCTS/WHEELS/08/wheel_ea90_aero_'08.html

2009-06-24 3:25 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2009-06-24 4:19 PM

I bought the Easton Aero EA90 wheelset last year brand new off off ebay for $450.00   Best money I ever spent.  They are super-light at 1500grams, they are bombproof (you can ride them over cobblestone and they stay true -- and I ride over coublestone twice a week to get into a cemetery) ; the hubs are silky smooth and they absorb the road very well.  To be honest, I've rode Zipp 808 rentals several times and they are just as stiff and roll just as well, and my times around loops is pretty much the same with both rims. 

I just took a peak at Ebay and they sell for a lot more then when I got them, but it looks like you can still get them for 500 bucks.  Absolute excellent rim that you can race and train on. 

http://www.eastonbike.com/PRODUCTS/WHEELS/08/wheel_ea90_aero_'08.html



Nothing wrong with those wheels per se (I have some similar wheels which I raced on my first few years), but they are not truly aero race wheels.  I think the same is probably true for the Neuvation's mentioned.
2009-06-24 3:28 PM
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JohnnyKay - 2009-06-24 3:25 PM
Dream Chaser - 2009-06-24 4:19 PM

I bought the Easton Aero EA90 wheelset last year brand new off off ebay for $450.00   Best money I ever spent.  They are super-light at 1500grams, they are bombproof (you can ride them over cobblestone and they stay true -- and I ride over coublestone twice a week to get into a cemetery) ; the hubs are silky smooth and they absorb the road very well.  To be honest, I've rode Zipp 808 rentals several times and they are just as stiff and roll just as well, and my times around loops is pretty much the same with both rims. 

I just took a peak at Ebay and they sell for a lot more then when I got them, but it looks like you can still get them for 500 bucks.  Absolute excellent rim that you can race and train on. 

http://www.eastonbike.com/PRODUCTS/WHEELS/08/wheel_ea90_aero_'08.html



Nothing wrong with those wheels per se (I have some similar wheels which I raced on my first few years), but they are not truly aero race wheels.  I think the same is probably true for the Neuvation's mentioned.


What makes them not aero? Not trying to be rude, just curious more or less.
2009-06-24 3:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
joshboots - 2009-06-24 3:28 PM
JohnnyKay - 2009-06-24 3:25 PM
Dream Chaser - 2009-06-24 4:19 PM

I bought the Easton Aero EA90 wheelset last year brand new off off ebay for $450.00   Best money I ever spent.  They are super-light at 1500grams, they are bombproof (you can ride them over cobblestone and they stay true -- and I ride over coublestone twice a week to get into a cemetery) ; the hubs are silky smooth and they absorb the road very well.  To be honest, I've rode Zipp 808 rentals several times and they are just as stiff and roll just as well, and my times around loops is pretty much the same with both rims. 

I just took a peak at Ebay and they sell for a lot more then when I got them, but it looks like you can still get them for 500 bucks.  Absolute excellent rim that you can race and train on. 

http://www.eastonbike.com/PRODUCTS/WHEELS/08/wheel_ea90_aero_'08.html



Nothing wrong with those wheels per se (I have some similar wheels which I raced on my first few years), but they are not truly aero race wheels.  I think the same is probably true for the Neuvation's mentioned.


What makes them not aero? Not trying to be rude, just curious more or less.


Relatively shallow rims.

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2009-06-24 3:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
I recall reading somewhere in bit land that a minimum 3:1 Length vs Width ratio is required to be considered aero.  A 38mm rim with a 23mm tire fits the billing.


2009-06-25 12:22 AM
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Donto - 2009-06-24 3:48 PM I recall reading somewhere in bit land that a minimum 3:1 Length vs Width ratio is required to be considered aero.  A 38mm rim with a 23mm tire fits the billing.


Funny enough that is exactly the ratio that the UCI has chosen to declare bikes UCI illegal.
2009-06-25 8:02 AM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels
Refers to the FRAME and other parts, not the rims.  There is a stipulation in the the UCI regs about using aero wheels and it is okay.

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/getObject.asp?MenuId=MTkzNg&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=NDkyNTc&LangId=1
2009-06-25 8:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Cheapest wheels you would define as legitimate "race" wheels

Add another vote to Neuvation Wheels.  I just picked up a set last week and it is a noticable upgrade in performance. 

Not to advertise another tri site too much, but I found this article useful for understanding wheel values.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Will_it_go_round_in_circles__505.html

2009-06-25 9:05 AM
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Ridgelake - 2009-06-25 8:12 AM

Add another vote to Neuvation Wheels.  I just picked up a set last week and it is a noticable upgrade in performance. 

Not to advertise another tri site too much, but I found this article useful for understanding wheel values.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Will_it_go_round_in_circles__505.html



Nice article, but the OP's question was concerning race wheels:

"Pay no attention to the aerodynamics in these wheels. They aren't your race wheels."
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