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2009-08-03 3:52 AM

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Subject: Definition of "hilly"
Just wonderin'. I figger what each person constitutes as a hill or hilly will be different in different parts of the country.

Oh, was thinking about this for the bike, not runs.


2009-08-03 4:01 AM
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I really categorize hills based on my ability. If I have to drop into my small ring to climb or if I drop below 8-10mph, I consider it a hill. It can be an effect of both grade and length. The concept I've been struggling with is what I should consider a "climb." I like to think of a climb being longer than a hill, but here in Nothern Virginia, we don't really have many of those. I guess when I think climb, I think mountain, instead of hill.
2009-08-03 6:41 AM
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Living in Florida we consider the interstate overpass "hilly"..

Actually there are some decent hills in the middle of the state.  People are always surprised when they see them.
2009-08-03 6:57 AM
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I consider the 16% 1/4th mile grade behind my house a hill.  In my mind, hilly is probably 10% or less. 
2009-08-03 10:52 AM
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Slugger - 2009-08-03 2:52 AM
Just wonderin'. I figger what each person constitutes as a hill or hilly will be different in different parts of the country.

Oh, was thinking about this for the bike, not runs.


Everybody's different but I consider 1,000 feet of climbing contained in 1-3 climbs over 20 miles, the low-end of "hilly". That would be 5k feet of climbing in a century contained in 5-15 climbs. I think most everybody would feel like they've done some climbing on such a course.
2009-08-03 11:20 AM
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Three weeks ago I did a century with 6100 ft. of climbing with some pretty long climbs from 1/4 to 3/4 mile long. A handful were out of the seat granny gear slogs where you felt your legs ignite about half way up.

That ride has become my new definition of hilly.


2009-08-03 11:53 AM
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Everyone is going to have their own definition of hill depending on where they are from.  I feel like the best way to put a value on how hilly a certain ride is would be to compare the total vertical climbing distance to the total riding distance.

My standard loop: 1318ft of climbing over 31.5 miles =  41.8.  I would say this course has rolling hills.  Nothing hard, but the road it always changing
My hilly loop: 1700ft of climbing over 27.1 miles =  62.7  This has some more noticable hills and is definately what I would call hilly.
My twice a year death loop: 2679ft of climbing over 28.3 miles =  94.7.  This route has some serious hills.  a couple 1/2 - 1 mile long climbs @ 8% as well has a few 2+mile long assents.

I would be curious to see what people around here would consider to be hilly in their area.

For me:
40s = soft rollers
60s = hilly
90s = torture. 
2009-08-03 12:06 PM
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V1per41 - 2009-08-03 10:53 AM
I feel like the best way to put a value on how hilly a certain ride is would be to compare the total vertical climbing distance to the total riding distance. 


If you're looking for the "best way", the number of hills that makes up the climbing vert is a major factor on the difficulty of climbing. For an equal amont of climbing vert: Less climbs = more sustained = MUCH HARDER.

For some references from the mountains of Colorado:

* The flattest 20 miler that I can do has 1,155' of climbing in 2 decent climbs and one small one.

* My normal training ride is 58.5 miles with 4,845' of climbing in 3 decent climbs, one small one and one roller section containing about five hills.

* The Boulder 5430 HIM bike course which isn't actually in the mountains and which most people here think is pretty flat and fast is 56.1 miles with 2,552' of climbing in two long climbs and probably about 10 small climbs.
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/map.asp?route...

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2009-08-03 12:14 PM
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breckview - 2009-08-03 1:06 PMIf you're looking for the "best way", the number of hills that makes up the climbing vert is a major factor on the difficulty of climbing. For an equal amont of climbing vert: Less climbs = more sustained = MUCH HARDER.
I do stand corrected. It might not be the "best" way to compare rides, but probably one of the easier. Afterall, what would you rank as a climb? 3 miles even at a constant 2% will still wear your legs out. and 30' can be a serious climb if it's over short enough of a distance.It really is impossible to give an exact value to how hilly a course is. heck even the tour changes their climb categories every year.
2009-08-03 12:23 PM
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V1per41 - 2009-08-03 11:14 AM
Afterall, what would you rank as a climb? 3 miles even at a constant 2% will still wear your legs out.

As you state, in pro cycling the definitions change all the time. But I doubt if anything under 100 feet would ever be considered a "climb" for serious bike riders. So by that definition, a century route with 100, fifty foot rollers would technically be zero feet of climbing even though it would show up as 5000 feet when traced out on a map.

Most routes considering as climbing routes have sustained climbing so the issue isn't too important. The smallest hill here that I'd consider a "climb" as opposed to some "rollers" is about 250 feet. But you're right, everybody's definition is going to be different.
2009-08-03 2:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Definition of "hilly"

If I'm climbing over 1000' per 10 miles I consider it "hilly".

IMLP was a little hilly.



2009-08-03 2:32 PM
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For me, I can do a 30 mile ride with as little as 900 feet of climbing or as much as 1500-2000. For middle distance of say 50-60 miles I can reach up to 3000-4000, and for long I can get up to 5000. That would be for a route, I could climb more if I did repeats and such, but I like to ride loops.
2009-08-03 3:35 PM
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rstocks3 - 2009-08-03 1:14 PM
If I'm climbing over 1000' per 10 miles I consider it "hilly".


Dang. Unless I do repeats (which I don't), I can't do a "hilly" route per your definition from my house a mile from a "ski area", atop "Gibson Hill" in "Summit County, Colorado"
2009-08-03 3:39 PM
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yes, hilly is definitely a relative term.  plenty of hills in the SF bay area.  My new favorite long ride is 120 miles with a 2000' climb on the back side of Mt. Tam starting at mile 80.

The ride up Mt. Diablo (Mt. Hamilton too) is what I'd call hilly - about 3250' over 10.8 miles.

There was a section on a century I did a couple years ago, Sierra Rd., which is used as a CAT 1 climb which climbs 1800' in just over 4 miles.  That was the only time I've gotten out of the saddle and my weight was not enough to turn the crank until I started pulling down on the handlebars.  That was pretty hilly.
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Hills,,,,, if I'm running ANY incline no matter how slight.  Bike, bring the hills....
2009-08-03 4:08 PM
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breckview - 2009-08-03 4:35 PM
rstocks3 - 2009-08-03 1:14 PM If I'm climbing over 1000' per 10 miles I consider it "hilly".
Dang. Unless I do repeats (which I don't), I can't do a "hilly" route per your definition from my house a mile from a "ski area", atop "Gibson Hill" in "Summit County, Colorado"

LOL I have to really look for hills to reach those kind of numbers. Unfortunately here in upstate NY I only have a choice of 2 "flat" rides. Generally speaking a 50 - 60 mi "hilly" ride is usually 3000'- 4000' of climbing.



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I just got a Garmin 305 this weekend and used it for the first time yesterday (yay!).  Granted, I am a bike noob with only about 120 miles under my belt so far, but the route I did yesterday was my second time doing it.  It was 11.65 miles with a total ascent of 1,014 ft. including a 20% grade over .1 mile about halfway in. On a hilly scale of 1-10, 10 being hilliest, what would you guys consider this?
2009-08-03 5:38 PM
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happyshoes - 2009-08-03 3:22 PM
I just got a Garmin 305 this weekend and used it for the first time yesterday (yay!).  Granted, I am a bike noob with only about 120 miles under my belt so far, but the route I did yesterday was my second time doing it.  It was 11.65 miles with a total ascent of 1,014 ft. including a 20% grade over .1 mile about halfway in. On a hilly scale of 1-10, 10 being hilliest, what would you guys consider this?


Hate to tell you but a Garmin is not accurate at computing climbing gain. If you're interested in why, search the forums for details as it's been discussed in great detail.
2009-08-03 10:49 PM
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Oh really?  Thanks, I will take a look.
2009-08-03 11:07 PM
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Any incline that I have to downshift to get over.

2009-08-03 11:17 PM
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Wow, interesting stuff. I posted because I looked at my "hilly" route data and was sorely disappointed. 778' in 8 miles. I guess I'm so used to climbing mountains, wherein I will regularly get 2K-3K gain in 8 miles, that it seemed wimpy.

Using the formula above, it puts it at 97.25. Guess it really is hilly! Good thing, too, 'cuz it kicked my rear. Best part about it is that it is an 8 mile loop around my house, so I can keep doing it as I add distance, and can switch up directions for different challenges. One way is gradual start, kicker up, loooooooong down, KILLER DEATH up, and then home. The other way is super fun down, loooong gradual up, then down almost the whole way home (3-ish miles). Yay! Right now though, I'd just like to be able to do the whole thing without walking. Embarassed

I'm also learning when to shift and when to simply mash. I find myself shifting for rises that are >50' long and >25' gain, and am thinking maybe I should just mash up those so I don't lose speed. I figure it'll all come with T.I.T.S!


2009-08-04 12:16 AM
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If I look ahead and decide to start pedaling at a noticibly faster cadence and prepare to downshift, then I call what I am about to hit a hill
2009-08-04 7:18 AM
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breckview - 2009-08-03 1:06 PM
V1per41 - 2009-08-03 10:53 AM I feel like the best way to put a value on how hilly a certain ride is would be to compare the total vertical climbing distance to the total riding distance. 
If you're looking for the "best way", the number of hills that makes up the climbing vert is a major factor on the difficulty of climbing. For an equal amont of climbing vert: Less climbs = more sustained = MUCH HARDER. For some references from the mountains of Colorado: * The flattest 20 miler that I can do has 1,155' of climbing in 2 decent climbs and one small one. * My normal training ride is 58.5 miles with 4,845' of climbing in 3 decent climbs, one small one and one roller section containing about five hills. * The Boulder 5430 HIM bike course which isn't actually in the mountains and which most people here think is pretty flat and fast is 56.1 miles with 2,552' of climbing in two long climbs and probably about 10 small climbs. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/map.asp?route... />
hehe.. I was just in Breck last week and there's a mountain bike loop that goes over the ten mile range, 3k of climbing in about 6 miles, goes over to copper mountain the short way!  I'd consider that a billy goat trail. 

Our biggest sustained climb we did was Sallie Barber, which goes to about 10,200 in basically one climb from downtown breck, I can't wait to upload my data from last week. 
2009-08-04 8:49 AM
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So I have a route that's about 19 miles with just under 1000 ft of climbing. Not bad at all...you might say...except pretty much all of that is in one hill over about 1/2 mile.  The rest of the course is relatively flat.  Weird, huh? Guess I wouldn't call the route hilly, but I would consider it a challenging climb....at least for me.

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Bioteknik - 2009-08-04 6:18 AM
Our biggest sustained climb we did was Sallie Barber, which goes to about 10,200 in basically one climb from downtown breck, I can't wait to upload my data from last week. 


Don't sell yourself short. The Sallie Barber mine is at 10,700'. Here's the climb if you came up Wellington from Main St. which is what the guide books say (I think).

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/map.asp?route...
1224' climbing over 5.28 miles. 4.4% average grade.
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