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 2009-09-08 11:47 AM |
Master  2210   Columbus, OhioCoaching member |  Subject: Columbus Marathon : Official ThreadI know there are 15 people here signed up for this! I just finished registering, finally. Not sure what I was waiting for.
My longest run so far this year is 17 miles. How about you? Also simultaneously training for Deer Creek/Toyota Challenge HIM. Any advice? |
| 2009-09-08 12:02 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread I'm in... I have 17 on tap this weekend. I am really dreading that 20 miler a couple weeks from now. I'm planning on running on Saturday from either Antrium or the park off of Wilson Bridge Rd... all on the Olentangy Bike trail. If anyone wants to tag a long let me know. I'm willing to average around 10/11 but would like to run around 9:30/9 per mi. I don't know about training for both a HIM and a mary at the same time. I would think you would be fine if you are replacing your long run in you HIM plan with what the mary schedule long run states. I know for my HIM my long run was no where near as long as I have been running the last few weeks. |
| 2009-09-08 12:23 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Thanks! That's what I am doing - replacing the long runs in the HIM schedule with longer ones for marathon training. here's a question: I did 17 last weekend. This is my recovery week, so I have 13 on the schedule. Then next weekend I have 20 on the schedule, but that is one week before my HIM. Do you think I should switch them and do 20 this weekend and 13 the week before HIM? I do NOT have a long ride scheduled for the weekend of the 20 miles, if that influences your advice... |
| 2009-09-08 12:24 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Also - Thanks for the invite. I'll consider it, depending on the family schedule for the weekend, which isn't worked out yet. |
| 2009-09-08 12:33 PM in reply to: #2394815 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread ahohl - 2009-09-08 1:23 PM Thanks! That's what I am doing - replacing the long runs in the HIM schedule with longer ones for marathon training. here's a question: I did 17 last weekend. This is my recovery week, so I have 13 on the schedule. Then next weekend I have 20 on the schedule, but that is one week before my HIM. Do you think I should switch them and do 20 this weekend and 13 the week before HIM? I do NOT have a long ride scheduled for the weekend of the 20 miles, if that influences your advice... Short answer... Yes.. replace it. Here are my thoughts. You don't want to do the 20mi a week before the HIM. The race is going to be brutal enough on your body. Soo this is what it looks like in my mind... Sept 6 - 17 mi Sept 13 - 20 mi Sept 20 - 10/13 mi Sept 27 - 13 mi (race) Oct 4 - 20 mi * or short depending on recovery Oct 11 - 12 mi Oct 18 - 26.2 (race) The hard one is Oct 4. Almost everything thing you read says to get at least a couple 20 milers in. The timing of the race just makes it rough. Edited by JChristoff 2009-09-08 12:39 PM |
| 2009-09-08 2:05 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread OK, that makes a lot of sense. Well, if I'm going to do 20 this weekend, maybe I'll tag along with you for 17 of it. What time are you starting? Earlier is better for me. I think the sun rises at 6:30 or a little later. I averaged 10:20 miles on my 17 miler. Maybe too slow for you? |
| 2009-09-08 2:21 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Expert 769 Alpharetta (until we find a home) | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread My wife jumped the gun and signed up for the half which is great except that now I have to try to convince the grandparents to come down that weekend or I will have to pass due to parental responsibilities (Thats what you get for having sex). I have signed up for the Toyota HIM and essentially my last three weekends have been 3-4 hour bike on Sat and 1.-2.5 hour run on Sundays. I did a rough 16mi hilly trail run yesterday (2 - 8 mile loops) Training note : eating and drinking every eight miles is not a good idea. |
| 2009-09-08 2:32 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Good luck getting child care. I know how that goes. The marathon is one of the few times dh and I both race at the same time. Since it's local for us, it's not usually too hard to arranging a "sleepover" for the kids. This year dh is not racing, but I think he's coming early to cheer for us. Not sure. We probably will still need child care. I hope it works out for you. |
| 2009-09-08 2:57 PM in reply to: #2395057 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread ahohl - 2009-09-08 3:05 PM OK, that makes a lot of sense. Well, if I'm going to do 20 this weekend, maybe I'll tag along with you for 17 of it. What time are you starting? Earlier is better for me. I think the sun rises at 6:30 or a little later. I averaged 10:20 miles on my 17 miler. Maybe too slow for you? Sunrise is going to be after 7:00am... we won't see 6:30 until next year  I am open to whatever time... 7:30/8:00 ish?? 10:00s/mi. are fine... If I need to stretch things out I always have the 8.5mi to get back to my car at the turn around point.  Looking at the rec park's map I would like to start up at the trail head in Worthington Hills Park. I have a Garmin and will just turn around once I hit the 8.5mi point. It looks like it will be a mile or so south of Whetstone Park. |
| 2009-09-08 3:04 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Expert 769 Alpharetta (until we find a home) | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread I guess he only likes running marathons after biking 112. |
| 2009-09-08 3:09 PM in reply to: #2395201 |
Master 2014 Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread bananatoes - 2009-09-08 4:04 PM I guess he only likes running marathons after biking 112. That's about right. I gave up the Cols Mary for the Beach to Battleship full distance in Nov. I'm a glutton for punishment.  |
| 2009-09-09 12:02 PM in reply to: #2395185 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread JChristoff - 2009-09-08 3:57 PM Sunrise is going to be after 7:00am... we won't see 6:30 until next year I am open to whatever time... 7:30/8:00 ish?? 10:00s/mi. are fine... If I need to stretch things out I always have the 8.5mi to get back to my car at the turn around point. Looking at the rec park's map I would like to start up at the trail head in Worthington Hills Park. I have a Garmin and will just turn around once I hit the 8.5mi point. It looks like it will be a mile or so south of Whetstone Park.OK, so what about this plan: I want to have company on the hard part (ending), not the easy part (beginning) and I don't mind running in the pre-dawn darkness. So how about I start at Whetstone in enough time to get up to Worthington Hills at 8 a.m. So I'll go to Whetstone and park at about 6:30. That will give me 90 minutes to make the 8.5 miles up to Worthington Hills. I'll have my phone on me, too. Then we can run back south for 8.5. You can turn around at Whetstone and I can finish the last 3 alone. |
| 2009-09-09 12:33 PM in reply to: #2396843 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread ahohl - 2009-09-09 1:02 PM JChristoff - 2009-09-08 3:57 PM Sunrise is going to be after 7:00am... we won't see 6:30 until next year I am open to whatever time... 7:30/8:00 ish?? 10:00s/mi. are fine... If I need to stretch things out I always have the 8.5mi to get back to my car at the turn around point. Looking at the rec park's map I would like to start up at the trail head in Worthington Hills Park. I have a Garmin and will just turn around once I hit the 8.5mi point. It looks like it will be a mile or so south of Whetstone Park.OK, so what about this plan: I want to have company on the hard part (ending), not the easy part (beginning) and I don't mind running in the pre-dawn darkness. So how about I start at Whetstone in enough time to get up to Worthington Hills at 8 a.m. So I'll go to Whetstone and park at about 6:30. That will give me 90 minutes to make the 8.5 miles up to Worthington Hills. I'll have my phone on me, too. Then we can run back south for 8.5. You can turn around at Whetstone and I can finish the last 3 alone. That works... Saturday work for you or do you normally do long runs on Sunday?? PM me your phone number... I think David already has mine from the couple of times we have gotten together for rides and whatnot. |
| 2009-09-09 2:00 PM in reply to: #2394815 |
Expert 1123 Columbus | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread ahohl - 2009-09-08 1:23 PMThanks! That's what I am doing - replacing the long runs in the HIM schedule with longer ones for marathon training. here's a question: I did 17 last weekend. This is my recovery week, so I have 13 on the schedule. Then next weekend I have 20 on the schedule, but that is one week before my HIM. Do you think I should switch them and do 20 this weekend and 13 the week before HIM? I do NOT have a long ride scheduled for the weekend of the 20 miles, if that influences your advice... Alice, 13 is already longer than I would recommend for your recovery run between long runs. You have six weekends before the marathon. As long as you get a run equal to the time of you 26.2 race you will be in good shape. -Not sure where that fits without compromising your HIM. Going backward from Oct 24th 26.2 in X time. One weekend before - 7-8 miles long run. T-2: 14 to 16 mile long run. T-3: 7-8 mile long run. T-4 HIM (this is where your final long run miles = X time would normally be- prob 21-22 miles -but just count this event as your longest run - it is 6 hours afterall). T-5 7-8 miles long rung. T-6: 14 long run T-7 (the upcoming weekend) 7-8 and T-8 (last weekend) you did 17. Why those numbers? Your long run miles should not be more than days before the race in order to allow proper recovery. You should have two weeks between long runs to allow proper recovery. A recovery run should add stress to the system (it is then not a recovery run and you are headed for injury or burn out). |
| 2009-09-09 8:04 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
| Regular 86 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Im in for the marathon. Still recovering a little from ironman louisville but should be good. Keep the thread updated. Im interested in joining for the run. |
| 2009-09-09 8:07 PM in reply to: #2397855 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Shintri14 - 2009-09-09 9:04 PM Im in for the marathon. Still recovering a little from ironman louisville but should be good. Keep the thread updated. Im interested in joining for the run. Want to meet at Worthington Hills at 8am? Do you know the spot? |
| 2009-09-09 8:11 PM in reply to: #2397169 |
Master 2210 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread bruehoyt - 2009-09-09 3:00 PM Alice, 13 is already longer than I would recommend for your recovery run between long runs. You have six weekends before the marathon. As long as you get a run equal to the time of you 26.2 race you will be in good shape. -Not sure where that fits without compromising your HIM. Going backward from Oct 24th 26.2 in X time. One weekend before - 7-8 miles long run. T-2: 14 to 16 mile long run. T-3: 7-8 mile long run. T-4 HIM (this is where your final long run miles = X time would normally be- prob 21-22 miles -but just count this event as your longest run - it is 6 hours afterall). T-5 7-8 miles long rung. T-6: 14 long run T-7 (the upcoming weekend) 7-8 and T-8 (last weekend) you did 17. Why those numbers? Your long run miles should not be more than days before the race in order to allow proper recovery. You should have two weeks between long runs to allow proper recovery. A recovery run should add stress to the system (it is then not a recovery run and you are headed for injury or burn out).
Brue - Interesting. I don't FEEL like I need that much time to recover. Especially considering I'm doing 70 and 80 mile bike rides, too. After a few days, I feel back to normal.
But I don't want to get injured.
Hmmmm. Other thoughts?
I did a lot of 20-milers before the marathon last year. THe reason I had a terrible marathon was not my legs, but my stomach. I've run for years and years and not had a problem..... But I don't want one, either. |
| 2009-09-09 9:51 PM in reply to: #2397867 |
Expert 1123 Columbus | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread ahohl - 2009-09-09 9:11 PM ...I don't FEEL like I need that much time to recover. Especially considering I'm doing 70 and 80 mile bike rides, too. After a few days, I feel back to normal.
But I don't want to get injured.
Hmmmm. Other thoughts?
I did a lot of 20-milers before the marathon last year. THe reason I had a terrible marathon was not my legs, but my stomach. I've run for years and years and not had a problem..... But I don't want one, either. If you feel like you can do it - go for it. Just listen to your body. If it says rest - rest. As far as the stomach goes - you probably have already pondered it plenty. Couldda been dumb luck, too much change in the diet, wrong or too much or too little foods/drinks the 48 hours before the gun. eat and drink the same before the Marathon that you do for your long runs (you probably already planned that) I tore my stomach up at my first marathon by using NSAIDS before and during the race along with insufficient fluids. |
| 2009-09-09 10:10 PM in reply to: #2398037 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread personally, i would not do many runs over 18 miles leading up to a mary if i were running one. i would make sure i got enough in to know whats up with them, but only that. i would instead focus on getting a midweek longish run (like a wed 10-12 miler), along with total volume/tempo runs in the meantime. after a certain point most of us are not moving fast enough to see the real benifit from going long a lot. just enough to get what you need out of it, then back off. |
| 2009-09-10 7:35 AM in reply to: #2394743 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Personally, I want to get to the 20 mile point before the race. Maybe it is just a mental comfort thing but I would like to know what I am walking (running) into. Plus, almost all the information I have read tells you to get a 20 or 20+ mile run in... maybe I am a lemming by following what everyone else does... but it is my first race and after this maybe I adust from there. It has not taken me long to recover from my longish runs as well and I fully admit I have not been getting my weekly volume to where it needs to be... but life keeps getting in the way. The marathon will probably hurt a lot... but I have already dug myself this deep and might as well keep going. |
| 2009-09-10 8:48 AM in reply to: #2394743 |
Expert 1123 Columbus | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread As far as whether 20+ milers are needed there is no right or wrong. Some people swear you can't have a good marathon without it and others swear you don't need it. The same for weekly mileage being over 40. For me I have done 2 20 plus mile training runs in my life and I have done 3 marathons. The one I did the worst in came 3 weeks after my longest run of 21.5. I have done a 40 mile week once. I, like most of you, have a busy life and big miles are hard to fit in. On top of that I am 42 and it takes longer to recover from hard running now than it did when I was 18. If the 20+ mile long runs and 60 mile weeks work for you, then it is right for you. (good checks - are you staying injury free and enjoying it?) Many professional athletes do this so if you can - do it. If you are getting injured or having burnout you should consider doing your long runs on time not distance. You should build up to the amount of time it will take you to do the race (or a little longer) usually a 20 mile training run is about the same as a 26.2 mile race. Take a week between long runs. At age 40 I did a 3:21 marathon with my longest training run under 20 miles. I felt great at the finish. Edited by bruehoyt 2009-09-10 8:58 AM |
| 2009-09-10 9:03 AM in reply to: #2394743 |
Expert 769 Alpharetta (until we find a home) | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread I train by time not miles. When I am increasing my time per week, I am increasing miles. (Plus I am not one of those people with a garmin on 24/7 with HR monitor. I am OK not knowing exactly how far I have gone. Most time I look at the clock in car or on the stove before I start and when I get back for my time. The horror! Running without a satellite or a watch!). I would like to get a 3-3.5 hr run in before the race. I am at 2.5 hrs now |
| 2009-09-11 9:25 AM in reply to: #2394743 |
| Regular 86 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Work schedule changed so i wont be running with everyone saturday morning. Enjoy the run. Anyone doing the home stretch race for prep to columbus? |
| 2009-09-11 8:20 PM in reply to: #2394743 |
Master 2014 Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread Sorry to hear it, Shintri. I'm not doing that race you mentioned. I've got the HIM, and that's enough events for me between now and then. |
| 2009-09-11 11:12 PM in reply to: #2401714 |
Master 2014 Ohio | Subject: RE: Columbus Marathon : Official Thread David tri's - 2009-09-11 9:20 PM Sorry to hear it, Shintri. I'm not doing that race you mentioned. I've got the HIM, and that's enough events for me between now and then. Ummm, I think my wife logged in under me. Thanks honey for boosting my post count, but attrubite the above to ahohl/. |
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