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2009-09-15 3:28 PM
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Still eat less, I get that the band limits your intake physically forcing you but if you are in a position that you can't fix your back that should be motiation to stop eating.


Exactly.  Which is why I guarantee you he is NOT loosing weight.  To help make his case.

It's pitiful...
Why doesn't the employer pay for: 1) A nutritionist 2) A psychologist- to address the man's overeating issue I bet that would cost as much of the lap band and would help the man lose the weight... AND learn how to eat properly and how to keep the weight off.


Because it's not the employer's responsibility.  Perhaps the employee had a healthcare program that offered these things.  We don't know. 

Even if they did not offer these programs, it's called personal responsibility.  This country has lost the concept of that.

Hmmm... we agree twice in one day.  Will wonders never cease?



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2009-09-15 3:29 PM
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PennState - 2009-09-15 3:52 PM this thread makes me sad...


Sad enough to start eating enough to pack on 40lbs and sue us for causing your weight gain? 
2009-09-15 3:32 PM
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I'm not an attorney (yet), but one downside to our legal system is that right is not always right, and wrong is not always wrong (even though these are slippery terms for me to use). A case is not strictly decided on the summarized blurps we get as members of the public through our media outlets. A case is influenced by the presentation of the evidence as well as by the evidence itself. Thus, crappy evidence + good legal representation = questionable verdict. The inverse also applies: great evidence + bad presentation of the facts (whether by incorrect trial procedure, fallacious logic etc.) = questionable verdict.

As for the guy getting his surgery comped through a questionable verdict, without proper motivation and education, he is just going to be covering the symptoms and not curing the overarching problem in  my opinion.



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2009-09-15 3:38 PM
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Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 

Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.

2009-09-15 3:40 PM
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Here is the complete verdict.

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/08060901cld.pdf

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2009-09-15 3:42 PM
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Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 

Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.



Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?


2009-09-15 3:45 PM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2009-09-15 4:42 PM
Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?

I've been around 250, looked at myself in the mirror one day, and said to myself "This changes NOW."

It was that simple. You make up your mind to do things differently and make yourself better, or you don't and get worse. It's all a matter of will.
2009-09-15 3:52 PM
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2009-09-15 3:53 PM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2009-09-15 4:42 PM
Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?

I've been around 250, looked at myself in the mirror one day, and said to myself "This changes NOW."

It was that simple. You make up your mind to do things differently and make yourself better, or you don't and get worse. It's all a matter of will.


While I have never been over 300 pounds... I have always been aware of my weight and that if I gain more than 10 pounds, it will be VERY HARD to lose the weight.

Whether it's 10 pounds... 50 pounds... 100 pounds overweight... the person has to look at themselves and their lifestyle and choices and take responsibility and make the change.

And if they have a deep rooted issue with food, they need to go see a counselor, psychologist, etc. and get help.


2009-09-15 3:53 PM
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Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.



Sadly, that is quite common these days. 
2009-09-15 3:55 PM
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KSH - 2009-09-15 4:53 PM

And if they have a deep rooted issue with food, they need to go see a counselor, psychologist, etc. and get help.

Do you feel their employer should foot the bill for this?


2009-09-15 3:56 PM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2009-09-15 4:42 PM Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?
I've been around 250, looked at myself in the mirror one day, and said to myself "This changes NOW." It was that simple. You make up your mind to do things differently and make yourself better, or you don't and get worse. It's all a matter of will.


I peaked at 5'10, 255 and had a broken bone and broken steel rod in my hip and could barely walk. I decided that it was rediculous and paethetic. I bought an Xbox and a recumbent bike, set up a diet and started doing something about it.  Two years later at 213lbs, I finished my first tri (an OLY).
2009-09-15 4:51 PM
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rsqdvr - 2009-09-15 12:27 PM

Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 

Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.



Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?

 

I fail to see the relevance here?  I would say I had enough responsibility not to get to that point. Maybe I'm missing something.

2009-09-15 4:52 PM
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Pector55 - 2009-09-15 1:53 PM
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Pector55 - 2009-09-15 10:35 AM
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rsqdvr - 2009-09-15 12:27 PM

Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.



Sadly, that is quite common these days. 

 

But no need for tort reform, right, things are just peachy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are a trail lawyer.

2009-09-15 5:02 PM
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rsqdvr - 2009-09-15 12:27 PM

Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 

Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.



Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?

 

I fail to see the relevance here?  I would say I had enough responsibility not to get to that point. Maybe I'm missing something.



The relevance to someone who has never experienced being morbidly obese and commenting to the fact that someone who is needs to simply take personal responsibility is the same relevance of pain association that a man is capable of giving a woman during childbirth.
2009-09-15 5:05 PM
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KSH - 2009-09-15 4:53 PM

And if they have a deep rooted issue with food, they need to go see a counselor, psychologist, etc. and get help.

Do you feel their employer should foot the bill for this?


Well, MOST health insurance policies DO cover mental health.

Look, I'm just saying... they can give the guy a piece of bread... or teach him how to fish. IF they are going to do something... at the very least they need to NOT give him lap band surgery... but instead... TEACH him how not to gain so much weight... so when he does have that surgery... he will be better off in the long run.

The courts could rule to give him lap band... or to give him a dietitian and a psychologist. The later is teaching the man how to fish.



2009-09-15 5:11 PM
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What? The employer didn't have workers comp insurance? If that is the case, the employers deserves what he got.

2009-09-15 6:01 PM
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KSH - 2009-09-15 6:05 PM
bcart1991 - 2009-09-15 3:55 PM
KSH - 2009-09-15 4:53 PM And if they have a deep rooted issue with food, they need to go see a counselor, psychologist, etc. and get help.
Do you feel their employer should foot the bill for this?
Well, MOST health insurance policies DO cover mental health. Look, I'm just saying... they can give the guy a piece of bread... or teach him how to fish. IF they are going to do something... at the very least they need to NOT give him lap band surgery... but instead... TEACH him how not to gain so much weight... so when he does have that surgery... he will be better off in the long run. The courts could rule to give him lap band... or to give him a dietitian and a psychologist. The later is teaching the man how to fish.


I agree with you that learning to manage his food issues may need therapy, but I doubt he will find any relief from insurance.  Unless they fudge the diagnosis, he won't have a DSM-IV diagnosis to "buy" treatment (maybe "Eating Disorder NOS").  And many policies limit the number of sessions.  And honestly, I don't think there are a lot of therapists who do well with eating disorders in general.  A nutritionist may do a better job of helping him learn new behaviors. 
2009-09-15 6:24 PM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2009-09-15 3:02 PM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2009-09-15 1:42 PM
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rsqdvr - 2009-09-15 12:27 PM

Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 

Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.



Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?

 

I fail to see the relevance here?  I would say I had enough responsibility not to get to that point. Maybe I'm missing something.



The relevance to someone who has never experienced being morbidly obese and commenting to the fact that someone who is needs to simply take personal responsibility is the same relevance of pain association that a man is capable of giving a woman during childbirth.

If I haven't walked in his shoes so I shouldn't/can't comment on it, is that what you are getting at?

You may not like my opinion, but gaining weight for the most part is something we choose to do and getting to 340 pounds is not a "responsible" thing to do for one's own health, IMO.

2009-09-15 6:26 PM
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Jackemy - 2009-09-15 3:11 PM What? The employer didn't have workers comp insurance? If that is the case, the employers deserves what he got.

 

from the original post or link provided.

"Boston's The Gourmet Pizza must pay for lap-band surgery for Adam Childers, a cook at the store in Schererville, under last month's Indiana ruling that upheld a 4-3 decision by the state's workers' compensation board."

2009-09-15 6:35 PM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2009-09-15 6:02 PM

The relevance to someone who has never experienced being morbidly obese and commenting to the fact that someone who is needs to simply take personal responsibility is the same relevance of pain association that a man is capable of giving a woman during childbirth.


That's a cop out.  He still could have gotten help on his own if he knew he had a problem.  Short of being an invalid or mentally unfit, there is no excuse for a lack of personal responsibility.


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2009-09-15 7:08 PM
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Wow, that sure sounds ridiculous.
2009-09-16 12:17 AM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2009-09-15 1:42 PM
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Absolutely amazing.  How about a little personal resonsibility for getting to 340 lbs in the first place?



Maybe the pizza place encouraged the dude to eat... 
If you're 340lb, you don't need encouragement. You're already doing plenty.


Exactly... the guy didn't just wake up at 340lbs one morning.  There is no argument to justify his lack of personal responsibility.

 

Apparently the courts don't agree with you on that.



Just for my own interest;

how many of you who are pounding the "Personal Responsibility" argument have actually ever weighed over 300 pounds?

At my biggest I was 268 and that's when I woke up and said, this is BS.  It has taken me about 5 yrs to lose 60 lbs and keep it off but I've done it.  But that's exactly my point.  There is no reason to ever get over 300 lbs.  I counsel my patients on this issue almost daily.  They know that they are wrong but that doesn't mean they will make the necessary changes.  It's much easier to make excuses and blame other things/people.

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