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2009-09-15 4:02 PM


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Subject: Riding in the winter?
I'm planning on doing a HIM at the end of March in California but I live in NY. Are people riding in the cold stormy winters of NY? I figure with all the storms between December-March it would be almost impossible to ride outside regularly. Therefore could I get away with doing the HIM just riding indoors on my trainer and getting out only a few times a month?


2009-09-15 4:13 PM
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I live in eastern Ontario and yes...I rode outside!! But i sure got some funny looks...

 
2009-09-15 4:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?
Depends more on the roads than the temperature.  I've gotten surprised by ice spots under overpasses.   If you think of the temperatures you ski at, you can bike at those.  Just need to be covered up enough.

Personally, I use the indoor trainer on those days.  I live in a place where in a single week it could be the coldest place in the nation and later it could be the warmest.    That can really drive you nuts.
2009-09-15 8:19 PM
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I ride outside in winter, but have to avoid the storms.

That being said, you need to be very careful.  I dress for being comfortable when exerting myself, and therefore, when I have gotten a flat, I have been really cold.  Stopping after exertion means that not only are you not generating heat, but you are also having sweat dry up and make you colder. 

You may want to carry some of the chemical hand warmers.  Then, if you have to stop, you can use them to get warm again.  You can easily get frostbite at relatively mild temperatures because of the 20 mph movement through the air.

Also, people are not expecting to see bikers in the winter, so you have to be careful, especially if there is snow in the shoulders that may force you out onto the road.

Where are you in NY?
2009-09-16 1:03 AM
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Channeling wgraves...

Single speed with studded tires.


Okay, back to me: good solid beater bike (maybe SS, I don't know, haven't ridden one since I was in about third grade), good studded tires, an outfit like aquagirl (note how VISIBLE she is!) with very good windblocker top and bottom and vents in the back, and a hardcore attitude. Then, pick and choose your days so you aren't riding stupid - by which I mean riding when conditions are bad (icy, snow pushing you into the lane, sleet, etc.) AND meaning hypothermia, which makes people stupid and slow in the very earliest stages. Use your trainer regularly, and then get outside whenever you can.

If it helps, aquagirl is in CT, I'm in NH, and wgraves is in WNY.
2009-09-16 1:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?
It's brutal right around the freezing mark. I crashed going to work when it was just below and some melting snow froze into a perfect ice patch on a corner. Being on the p2sl didn't help. Ice patches are normally ok as long as you don't turn.

I have a helmet cover/tarp thing and good leggings/gloves/jacket which helps. I need toe covers/booties this winter though. We had to stop at a gas station and use electrical tape to wrap our feet in plastic bags to keep the freezing wind out.

If it's properly cold and icy you can use studded mountain bike tires pretty easy.

Or just stay on the trainer.




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2009-09-16 1:54 AM
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Khyron - 2009-09-15 6:16 PM It's brutal right around the freezing mark. I crashed going to work when it was just below and some melting snow froze into a perfect ice patch on a corner. Being on the p2sl didn't help. Ice patches are normally ok as long as you don't turn.

I have a helmet cover/tarp thing and good leggings/gloves/jacket which helps. I need toe covers/booties this winter though. We had to stop at a gas station and use electrical tape to wrap our feet in plastic bags to keep the freezing wind out.

If it's properly cold and icy you can use studded mountain bike tires pretty easy.

Or just stay on the trainer.


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2009-09-16 8:04 AM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?
I ride outside if it 20 or warmer. Key is to dress in layers and keep the wind off me then there is the issue with black ice. I tend to ride same roads so I know where ice spots can be and helps me stay a little safer. Watch out for shady spots as they tend to ice up. Spending some money on good winter riding clothes is important.

Hard to do well at HIM in March when living in the North. No matter what you will not be prepared for temperatures of the race living in NY.

Trainer rides are good but just not quite the same. You will want to get some road riding in prior to the HIM.

Why not pick a HIM that you can train better for?
2009-09-16 8:17 AM
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I live in Orange County NY and I ride all year round.  I wait until it's above freezing though, even here there will be a few days even in January and February where it is in the upper 30's/lower 40's.  Dress appropriately and wear a beanie under your helmet and you'll be fine.  Cold and stormy days I spend on the trainer watching TV.
2009-09-16 8:23 AM
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Khyron - 2009-09-16 1:16 AM It's brutal right around the freezing mark. I crashed going to work when it was just below and some melting snow froze into a perfect ice patch on a corner. Being on the p2sl didn't help. Ice patches are normally ok as long as you don't turn.

I have a helmet cover/tarp thing and good leggings/gloves/jacket which helps. I need toe covers/booties this winter though. We had to stop at a gas station and use electrical tape to wrap our feet in plastic bags to keep the freezing wind out.

If it's properly cold and icy you can use studded mountain bike tires pretty easy.

Or just stay on the trainer.


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2009-09-16 9:34 AM
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I'm in Wisconsin and also deal wiuth the snow.  My winter bike training will include:

-Two hard 60-75 min. Computrainer sessions/week (you might find these offered through a bike shop if you dont want to buy the computrainer).  I avoid long trainer sessions indoors.
-One longer ride outside on my mountain bike weather permitting (really agressive tires and foot warmers help).  These are fun.
-Strength training (Quads, calves, hamstrings, glutes, lower back and core).  Not fun b/c I don't like the gym, but the best when its a really snowy day.  Must do regularly or risk injury.
-Nordic skiing.  The skiing is probably the most useful winter cross-training that I've found.  I would pick Nordic skiing if all I could do was one thing this winter.



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Slugger - 2009-09-16 2:03 AM Channeling wgraves...

Single speed with studded tires.


Okay, back to me: good solid beater bike (maybe SS, I don't know, haven't ridden one since I was in about third grade), good studded tires, an outfit like aquagirl (note how VISIBLE she is!) with very good windblocker top and bottom and vents in the back, and a hardcore attitude. Then, pick and choose your days so you aren't riding stupid - by which I mean riding when conditions are bad (icy, snow pushing you into the lane, sleet, etc.) AND meaning hypothermia, which makes people stupid and slow in the very earliest stages. Use your trainer regularly, and then get outside whenever you can.

If it helps, aquagirl is in CT, I'm in NH, and wgraves is in WNY.


Actually aquagirl is a Canadian.....I live in eastern Ontario.......we regularly get temps of minus stupid here!
2009-09-16 10:32 AM
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Khyron - 2009-09-16 12:16 AM
It's brutal right around the freezing mark...

Where was that photo taken? (If you don't mind me asking...)

That photo look exactly like where I live. Looks like Lodgepole pines and Aspen. Plus, the snow pattern looks like a place where dry snow accumulates all winter at different depths due to the wind that moves the snow around like sand dunes. So when it melts it leaves bumps and ridges.

It's impossible to ride here in the winter. Around mid-November snow starts to accumulate on the areas where the ground freezes first due to shade from mountains. Around mid-late March we can start riding on certain very low traffic roads where we can ride well into the street avoiding all the debris that snow plows have left on the sides of the roads.

Denver is only 65 miles away and I plan to do a long ride down there once a week this winter.

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2009-09-16 2:20 PM
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I ride at temps 35F + outside in the winter.  I stick to roads that have direct sunlight and unlikely to be icy.  Must have wind/rain proof jersey, pants, gloves.  Rain at 37 F can get very cold if you are 40 miles from home.  I also put a cover on my helmet to discourage rain/snow from getting in my hair and melting down my backside.  I am in NE California.
2009-09-16 2:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?
Another thought which I did not do last winter but may this year.

Tri and summer bike shoes are made to be vented for cooling and drying.  You do not want this in the winter.  Even with neoprene booties, for example, the vents in the bottom of the Specialized tri-vents allow cold air in.  The Sidi road shoes are also well vented.  So, I am thinking of putting my mountain bike pedals on whatever bike I ride outside in the winter.  MB shoes I have are far more full coverage.  I currently have these pedals on the fixed gear, but when I take out the full roadie or tri bike, I will try moving them over.

If that does not work, then I may have to fork out cash for the Lake or Sidi winter shoes.

Feet and hands are the worst for me, so this is a critical issue on my end.

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2009-09-16 2:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?

I live in Central Indiana and while the temps don't quite go down to minus stupidWink and they aren't quite as bad as eastern Ontario on the whole.  It does get quite cold here.

I ride year round any weather, but when it starts to get sloppy on a regular basis, I switch to my cyclocross racer and kenda semi knobby tires.  I find the wet and slop really to be worse than the really cold.

BTW - nothing is more exciting to me than riding to work before the sun comes up in snowing, blowing and drifting conditions.  It really gets may heart goingCool



2009-09-16 2:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?
Thanks for all the responses everyone. I'm mostly going to be in Albany NY, with some time spent in Rockland county
2009-09-16 11:56 PM
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aquagirl - 2009-09-16 11:17 AM

If it helps, aquagirl is in CT, I'm in NH, and wgraves is in WNY.


Actually aquagirl is a Canadian.....I live in eastern Ontario.......we regularly get temps of minus stupid here!

Doh! When I came back to the thread, I read my response and went, "Oops, she's in Canada, not Connecticut!" I knew that, honest I did. I was gonna post a correction, but, well, you're just on the ball and all.
2009-09-17 12:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?
breckview - 2009-09-16 9:32 AM
Khyron - 2009-09-16 12:16 AM It's brutal right around the freezing mark...
Where was that photo taken? (If you don't mind me asking...) That photo look exactly like where I live.


Up in the foothills of the rockies, about 80ish km west of Calgary AB. Our IM was in June so we had some pretty chilly long rides in March/April/May. That particular day was only cold near the top of the ascent. Some earlier rides were absolute hell, even with good gear. We usually wear shorts as long as it's above freezing. Needless to say the heat shock of the actual race sucked.


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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?

I have rode comfortably with layers (basicaly every piece of cold weather bike gear I own) at freezing or above.  But the biggest problem is the slippery trails or road.  I hope to get studded tires this year, because the ice freaks me out.  I went out in March last year and fell on an icy slope - even going straight.  Tire just slid out from under me, fortunately i had all those layers on...

I 2nd the boots:   My husband rides in the winter, including on icy lakes in 0 temps and he's tried it ALL.  He loves his Lake winter boots.  A must have for winter riders around here.  But any sort of boot with platform pedals is a close second.  It's easy to get snow in your cleats. 

1 also 2nd the lobster claw gloves:  I actually like to wear mittens when it's very cold, but at least do the lobster claws so your fingers can warm each other.  Even the best gloves will get cold fast.

Added ideas:

1. ski helmet.  I have a skate helmet I plan to try, which is better than a bike helmet with no vents.  But a ski helmet is ideal. 

2.  Ski goggles can be had for $20, so totally worth the money.

3.  High-vis vest on top

4.  Carry a foil wrap/sleeping bag, like hikers use.  If you have to stop, it's brutal if you're sweaty.  I carry one on runs as well.



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2009-09-17 11:43 AM
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Subject: RE: Riding in the winter?

IMHO- I don't think riding outside is THAT important. Certainly more enjoyable but you can get away with doing the majority indoors.  

I'd say do your rides on a trainer and wait for those odd warm days that come out of nowhere and hit the outdoors just to touch up your bike handling skills.

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wgraves7582 - 2009-09-17 7:35 AM

I saw my name mentioned - guess that means I am crazy like all the other responders!

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