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2009-10-26 4:36 PM

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Subject: poor running form
I noticed in yesterday's 30K that lots of runners really have poor running form.

Kept hearing people "clomping" their feet, very heavily weighted and very noisy.

I know everyone has their own way of doing things, but  just amazed that these people can manage to run a 30k with that bad of running form and still finish respectively.

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2009-10-27 6:35 AM
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You perceive it as bad.  Doesn't mean it's bad for those people.

2009-10-27 6:45 AM
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Yeah, I have to laugh at people's crappy form-as they leave me in their dust.
2009-10-27 6:48 AM
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I wish my form was crappy enough to finish a 30 k respectably
2009-10-27 8:45 AM
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The thing that bums me out more than anything when I see these people, is that I've worked very hard improving my running gait, and still get injured.  Then these people get to keep on running while somehow these people just keep on going.
2009-10-27 8:51 AM
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V1per41 - 2009-10-27 9:45 AM The thing that bums me out more than anything when I see these people, is that I've worked very hard improving my running gait, and still get injured.  Then these people get to keep on running while somehow these people just keep on going.

What was wrong with your gait?  If you are still getting injured, maybe it's not your gait/form that's the problem, but the training itself.



2009-10-27 8:52 AM
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Subject: RE: poor running form
metafizx - 2009-10-26 4:36 PM I noticed in yesterday's 30K that lots of runners really have poor running form.

Kept hearing people "clomping" their feet, very heavily weighted and very noisy.

I know everyone has their own way of doing things, but  just amazed that these people can manage to run a 30k with that bad of running form and still finish respectively.
if you ever see Paula Radcliffe run you would probably incorrectly assume she also has a "poor form". The problem is that there is no one way to run, there is no "good form", heck who knows what even 'form' means! What might seem an unorthodox running style might very well be the best and most economical style for that particular runner and any changes will do nothing but affect it in a negative way.
2009-10-27 8:54 AM
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V1per41 - 2009-10-27 8:45 AM The thing that bums me out more than anything when I see these people, is that I've worked very hard improving my running gait, and still get injured.  Then these people get to keep on running while somehow these people just keep on going.
to echo Scout, you most likely battle injuries in spite of your running style and not because of it. The root of the problem for most runners is poor training load management (doing too much/fast too soon) and not running gait, shoes, etc...
2009-10-27 9:01 AM
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...and isn't it Desiree Ficker who flicks her right leg out on every stride?  Looks painful and awkward to me.  But she's the one winning IMs..not me..


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2009-10-27 9:09 AM
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Subject: RE: poor running form
My run form is horrible, I've worked on it for years and now its functional up until about mile 8 when I forget how to run. 

There are wrong ways to run, some gaits put too much pressure on the knees or ankles.  There is more than one right way to do it though, and some people are gifted enough to have bad form and not suffer the reprecussions of it.
2009-10-27 9:20 AM
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That's Hillary Biscay and she's the first person I thought of too.  Wish I could run that badly.

There's a local female athlete who I've been passed by many a time around here who runs like a... well, I can't describe it.  But it's crazy and an imitation causes many laughs at parties.  She's wicked fast, though.

TriRSquared - 2009-10-27 9:01 AM ...and isn't it Desiree Ficker who flicks her right leg out on every stride?  Looks painful and awkward to me.  But she's the one winning IMs..not me..



2009-10-27 9:26 AM
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Jim Furyk has the most unconventional golf swing I have ever witnessed.  Anyone would say that there is no way we can be consistent with it....and yet I have never won a PGA major with my smooth easy swing.  So what does good form do for you... better efficiency?  I guess if winning ever becomes thier goal, then they will retool their form like Tiger woods does his swing, but if they are just there to enjoy like many of us, go with comfortable.
2009-10-27 9:31 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2009-10-27 9:20 AM

That's Hillary Biscay and she's the first person I thought of too.  Wish I could run that badly.

There's a local female athlete who I've been passed by many a time around here who runs like a... well, I can't describe it.  But it's crazy and an imitation causes many laughs at parties.  She's wicked fast, though.

TriRSquared - 2009-10-27 9:01 AM ...and isn't it Desiree Ficker who flicks her right leg out on every stride?  Looks painful and awkward to me.  But she's the one winning IMs..not me..



When I saw her at IMMOO a couple years ago I thought `That lady will never be able to keep up that pace with her running style.' but lo and behold, she won! People say I'm a `loud' runner but it works to get me from point A to B so I don't worry about my volume.

Biscay reminds me of that Friends episode. You know the one.
2009-10-27 10:12 AM
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BikerGrrrl - 2009-10-27 10:20 AM

That's Hillary Biscay and she's the first person I thought of too.  Wish I could run that badly.

There's a local female athlete who I've been passed by many a time around here who runs like a... well, I can't describe it.  But it's crazy and an imitation causes many laughs at parties.  She's wicked fast, though.

TriRSquared - 2009-10-27 9:01 AM ...and isn't it Desiree Ficker who flicks her right leg out on every stride?  Looks painful and awkward to me.  But she's the one winning IMs..not me..



Right.. Biscay... I get my female hottie triathletes confused....
2009-10-27 10:34 AM
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Biscay's style is a result of an injury.  Her body has adapted to it and it is what works for her.

Look at Hall.  Years ago his Dad worked with him on running with his arms lower as it seemed to work better for him.  Guess what?  You watch Ryan run and you think "Why the heck are your arms so low?"  Because that is what works for his running style!

If your arms are flailing across your body and twisting your trunk or if you are really overstriding or perhaps bending forward at the waist all the time?  Sure, those are things that should probably be looked at to see if something should be altered.

If your feet don't happen to contact the ground on a specific point or if your turnover is something lower than whatever the latest ill-informed triathlon coach (or shoe manufacturer) decides should be the only way to run for everyone?  Then don't touch a thing .......... in fact, run away as quickly as possible from them.

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2009-10-28 11:20 AM
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Subject: RE: poor running form
JorgeM - 2009-10-27 9:54 AM
V1per41 - 2009-10-27 8:45 AM The thing that bums me out more than anything when I see these people, is that I've worked very hard improving my running gait, and still get injured.  Then these people get to keep on running while somehow these people just keep on going.
to echo Scout, you most likely battle injuries in spite of your running style and not because of it. The root of the problem for most runners is poor training load management (doing too much/fast too soon) and not running gait, shoes, etc...


Everytime I start running again after returning from injury I build up slower and slower than the time before.  The first injury was almost certainly due to too much too fast, but the last time, I spent 4 months working up to 10 miles/week.  Not sure you can build any slower than that.


2009-10-28 12:33 PM
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V1per41 - 2009-10-28 12:20 PM
JorgeM - 2009-10-27 9:54 AM
V1per41 - 2009-10-27 8:45 AM The thing that bums me out more than anything when I see these people, is that I've worked very hard improving my running gait, and still get injured.  Then these people get to keep on running while somehow these people just keep on going.
to echo Scout, you most likely battle injuries in spite of your running style and not because of it. The root of the problem for most runners is poor training load management (doing too much/fast too soon) and not running gait, shoes, etc...


Everytime I start running again after returning from injury I build up slower and slower than the time before.  The first injury was almost certainly due to too much too fast, but the last time, I spent 4 months working up to 10 miles/week.  Not sure you can build any slower than that.

Did you work on changing your form during that time?

2009-10-28 1:30 PM
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I've spent about 35 years with my current running form and my body has spent those 35 years building up to take the pounding.  I don't want to spend the next 35 years building up my body to take the pounding in different places. 

Run relaxed and with good posture.  The rest just kinda takes care of itself.

2009-10-28 1:39 PM
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Bleh,

Form.  I've had a complete stranger criticize me on the fact that I occasionally slap the water when I swim - despite the fact I was going faster and for much further than he was ...  Ah well, at least he was trying to be helpful, right?

I just assume that I am so frequently incorrect about stuff I haven't actually studied that there's probably a good reason why someone is doing something differently from me, including those clompy runners.  After all, I'm a slappy swimmer

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2009-10-28 1:46 PM
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It is interesting to see how differently others run, not in a judgemental way, just we are all unique. 
 I wish I had 1/2 as much speed as Hillary does. I remember the first time I saw her run and thought "That is a very unique style", and it made me realize that there is no 'wrong' way to run you just need to get to the finish line.
2009-10-29 10:02 AM
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Scout7 - 2009-10-28 1:33 PM...Did you work on changing your form during that time?

I had changed what we though was the problem causing my injury the previous time before running again. No real changes once I started up again though.Going to go have my gait videoed/slowed down and analysed by one of the best PTs in the state next month to hopefully rule that out and start looking elsewhere for why I keep getting injured.


2009-10-29 10:04 AM
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V1per41 - 2009-10-29 11:02 AM
Scout7 - 2009-10-28 1:33 PM...Did you work on changing your form during that time?

 

I had changed what we though was the problem causing my injury the previous time before running again. No real changes once I started up again though.Going to go have my gait videoed/slowed down and analysed by one of the best PTs in the state next month to hopefully rule that out and start looking elsewhere for why I keep getting injured.

Sounds like a good plan to me.  Sometimes it's hard to really pin down.

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