Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules
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2005-06-02 3:56 PM |
Member 42 Boston, MA | Subject: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules When they sat "no drafting" does that mean i cant ride behind someone? If im behind someone but dont feel like going by them at that moment, do i need to be off to one side? |
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2005-06-02 3:58 PM in reply to: #167502 |
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2005-06-02 4:23 PM in reply to: #167512 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules What, is there an echo in here? |
2009-06-05 4:33 PM in reply to: #167538 |
Member 8 Atlanta | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules I've read these rules but for some reason I don't get it. So stay back 3 bike lengths (or two bike lengths between?) Can you be within that space if you are to the left or right of them (diagonal behind)? Can you ride next to someone? If so, how close (sounds like 1 meter)? Or is that blocking? Or is it only blocking if a rider would have to cross the yellow line to pass. It seems odd to me that the only legal way to travel is 7 meters back or by blowing past someone. It seems like you'd end up just holding back much of the race. I mean, is the rule "No slow passing"? The other thing is being overtaken. So, someone is attempting to pass me. They nudge a bit ahead, and I am supposed to yield to that and fall back? I don't get it. Maybe it sounds crazy to me because I come from the the running world where racing is racing. I mean, in running, you could be running next to someone for miles trying to break the other guy. I'd love some clarification on these points though. Thanks. |
2009-06-05 4:43 PM in reply to: #167502 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules I'm no expert but I believe you are not allowed to ride next to somebody. If you don't want to be passed, don't let the other person's front wheel pass your front wheel, if it does, you must fall back. When you're out there it really makes sense. The rules really do cover it all. I love seeing races enforce the rules. It's sad to see folks cheat out there. Fortunately, they do get seen and penalized. |
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2009-06-05 4:43 PM in reply to: #2198162 |
Extreme Veteran 615 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules jonmorin - 2009-06-05 4:33 PM I've read these rules but for some reason I don't get it. So stay back 3 bike lengths (or two bike lengths between?) Can you be within that space if you are to the left or right of them (diagonal behind)? Can you ride next to someone? If so, how close (sounds like 1 meter)? Or is that blocking? Or is it only blocking if a rider would have to cross the yellow line to pass. It seems odd to me that the only legal way to travel is 7 meters back or by blowing past someone. It seems like you'd end up just holding back much of the race. I mean, is the rule "No slow passing"? The other thing is being overtaken. So, someone is attempting to pass me. They nudge a bit ahead, and I am supposed to yield to that and fall back? I don't get it. Maybe it sounds crazy to me because I come from the the running world where racing is racing. I mean, in running, you could be running next to someone for miles trying to break the other guy. I'd love some clarification on these points though. Thanks. if your not right behind them, but rather off to the side (either way) so as not to benefit from the lowered air resistance...you would be in violation of the blocking rule. it seems tricky, but really it's a very easy rule to follow. Just go out there and race your race...you'll pass and get passed, but 15 seconds is an eternity for passing. If you can't pass someone in 15 seconds then you're just blocking someone who can. Bottom line is that rule is there in order to prevent teamwork on the bike. if it wasn't there, it would just be another bike ride followed by a 10 k race. Edited by bmcgee 2009-06-05 4:44 PM |
2009-06-05 4:43 PM in reply to: #167502 |
Expert 1139 Austin | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules If someone pulls up besides you, you have every right, and should try to speed up so that they can't pass you. If they don't get past you in the 15 seconds and theres a referee near they should get a penalty. Unfortunately there's not always a referee near by. Basically if you can pass someone pass them and pull right in front of them, then it's their problem that they're drafting. If you can't pass someone leave the three bike lengths. |
2009-06-05 4:54 PM in reply to: #167502 |
Master 1433 Calgary, AB | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules In running you don't get a ~20% effort reduction by following another runner. Even to the side/diagonal there's a benefit. True sneaky pros leapfrog each other every 15 seconds so they get that 5-10 seconds of drafting. It's worth the effort for them. And yah, if the passer gets his front wheel past yours, you have to back off and drop back behind the draft limit. |
2009-06-05 4:58 PM in reply to: #167502 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules Was it a quick question about drafting, or a question about drafting for a short amount of time? I have tucked behind another racer that I knew that I could pass easily for about 8 seconds, and then push to ensure a clean pass. I'm not sure about the payoff, but mentally it feels good to grab a tire for a couple of seconds. |
2009-06-05 4:58 PM in reply to: #2198193 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules F1longhorn - 2009-06-05 5:43 PM If someone pulls up besides you, you have every right, and should try to speed up so that they can't pass you. If they don't get past you in the 15 seconds and theres a referee near they should get a penalty. Unfortunately there's not always a referee near by. Basically if you can pass someone pass them and pull right in front of them, then it's their problem that they're drafting. If you can't pass someone leave the three bike lengths. Not entirely true. Once they've passed your front wheel, YOU have the obligation to drop back or you will get the penalty. If you plan on speeding up to prevent passing and then can't maintain that speed, expect people to get pretty annoyed at you. There's no reason to prevent someone from passing you if they are going faster. Let them pass. |
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2009-06-05 5:06 PM in reply to: #2198210 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules Artemis - 2009-06-05 4:58 PM F1longhorn - 2009-06-05 5:43 PM If someone pulls up besides you, you have every right, and should try to speed up so that they can't pass you. If they don't get past you in the 15 seconds and theres a referee near they should get a penalty. Unfortunately there's not always a referee near by. Basically if you can pass someone pass them and pull right in front of them, then it's their problem that they're drafting. If you can't pass someone leave the three bike lengths. Not entirely true. Once they've passed your front wheel, YOU have the obligation to drop back or you will get the penalty. If you plan on speeding up to prevent passing and then can't maintain that speed, expect people to get pretty annoyed at you. There's no reason to prevent someone from passing you if they are going faster. Let them pass. I concur. Until I am in a position with NO ONE in front of me (as in I am leading the race ha!) the only thing that I am racing against is the clock. |
2009-06-05 5:23 PM in reply to: #2198222 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules to the poster that said that only in triathlons do you ahve passing rules, and not in running, this is not true, in track you have to be a certain number of steps/feet ahead of another running before you can cut back over, this is the same thing. |
2009-06-08 3:40 PM in reply to: #167502 |
Member 8 Atlanta | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules Thanks for all the clarification. What if the transition is crowded and a bunch of people leave together? Or is that uncommon? Or do you pretty much figure out where to settle in even in a crowded situation? |
2009-06-08 4:08 PM in reply to: #2198193 |
Master 1848 Canandaigua | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules F1longhorn - 2009-06-05 5:43 PM If someone pulls up besides you, you have every right, and should try to speed up so that they can't pass you. If they don't get past you in the 15 seconds and theres a referee near they should get a penalty. Unfortunately there's not always a referee near by. Basically if you can pass someone pass them and pull right in front of them, then it's their problem that they're drafting. If you can't pass someone leave the three bike lengths. I hear you there. I had a number of people just come up to pass and then hang to my side and not move ahead. Annoying. Go ahead and move in front so I can pass you back. Edited by dexter 2009-06-08 4:10 PM |
2009-06-08 4:15 PM in reply to: #2198193 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules F1longhorn - 2009-06-05 5:43 PM If someone pulls up besides you, you have every right, and should try to speed up so that they can't pass you. If you have the legs and lungs to do that repeatedly, then you aren't riding hard enough to begin with. Triathlon isn't a bike race. You'd be better off letting that slightly-faster person pass you, and then upping your pace to legally draft them, staying three lengths back. |
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2009-06-08 4:16 PM in reply to: #2198193 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Quick Drafting Question / Race Rules F1longhorn - 2009-06-05 5:43 PM If someone pulls up besides you, you have every right, and should try to speed up so that they can't pass you. If you have the legs and lungs to do that repeatedly, then you aren't riding hard enough to begin with. Triathlon isn't a bike race. You'd be better off letting that slightly-faster person pass you, and then upping your pace to legally draft them, staying three lengths back. |