Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach
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2009-12-28 4:42 PM |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach Another head coach accused of "mistreatment" of a player......complaints came from player and his family about treatment after an injury. YOU'RE FOOTBALL PLAYERS FOR F**KS SAKE.........H.T.F.U. Quit whining and grow some thicker skin. |
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2009-12-28 5:23 PM in reply to: #2580765 |
35 | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach sign of the times. The players own the coaches. This is true in pro, college or youth sports. Every coach is only one allegation away from having his/her reputation ruined. Of course, sometimes the allegations are true and should be voiced. However, just as often, the allegations come from a disgruntled player or parent who is not happy with playing time, etc. |
2009-12-28 5:31 PM in reply to: #2580765 |
Pro 4311 Texas | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach bradleyd3 - 2009-12-28 4:42 PM Another head coach accused of "mistreatment" of a player......complaints came from player and his family about treatment after an injury. YOU'RE FOOTBALL PLAYERS FOR F**KS SAKE.........H.T.F.U. Quit whining and grow some thicker skin. So you'd be fine with being stuck in an dark electrical closet for hours after being injured? That's what's being reported. |
2009-12-28 5:45 PM in reply to: #2580836 |
COURT JESTER 12230 ROCKFORD, IL | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach JBrashear - 2009-12-28 5:31 PM bradleyd3 - 2009-12-28 4:42 PM Another head coach accused of "mistreatment" of a player......complaints came from player and his family about treatment after an injury. YOU'RE FOOTBALL PLAYERS FOR F**KS SAKE.........H.T.F.U. Quit whining and grow some thicker skin. So you'd be fine with being stuck in an dark electrical closet for hours after being injured? That's what's being reported.Electrical therapy has been known to work wonders. |
2009-12-28 7:14 PM in reply to: #2580836 |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach JBrashear - 2009-12-28 5:31 PM bradleyd3 - 2009-12-28 4:42 PM Another head coach accused of "mistreatment" of a player......complaints came from player and his family about treatment after an injury. YOU'RE FOOTBALL PLAYERS FOR F**KS SAKE.........H.T.F.U. Quit whining and grow some thicker skin. So you'd be fine with being stuck in an dark electrical closet for hours after being injured? That's what's being reported. I hadn't heard that....but that makes no sense. Team Doctors, trainers, etc would step in. He probably got his feelings hurt....Leach probably told him that his dad was paid at SMU, not very good in the NFL, and a horrible announcer. |
2009-12-28 7:57 PM in reply to: #2580765 |
Got Wahoo? 5423 San Antonio | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach UGH. |
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2009-12-28 8:02 PM in reply to: #2580765 |
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2009-12-28 8:09 PM in reply to: #2580836 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach JBrashear - 2009-12-28 5:31 PM bradleyd3 - 2009-12-28 4:42 PM Another head coach accused of "mistreatment" of a player......complaints came from player and his family about treatment after an injury. YOU'RE FOOTBALL PLAYERS FOR F**KS SAKE.........H.T.F.U. Quit whining and grow some thicker skin. So you'd be fine with being stuck in an dark electrical closet for hours after being injured? That's what's being reported.why would an electrical closet be dark? it's got electricity I'm amazed a head coach has that much contact with an individual player, I would believe a position coach, teammate, but the head coach?? or maybe your *&%$#@*!@ right I ordered the code red |
2009-12-28 8:39 PM in reply to: #2580765 |
Champion 6931 Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach Recent breaking news I've heard on FoxSports Radio is that it is the Great SMU great Craig James son.... Had a concussion in a practice awhile back and not sure what is going on.... Craig James was also suppose to broadcast that game but has been pulled. Trivia Question, who was the running mate of James at SMU ????? |
2009-12-28 9:49 PM in reply to: #2581098 |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach BellinghamSpence - 2009-12-28 8:39 PM Trivia Question, who was the running mate of James at SMU ????? The highest paid player in College football history and the man who took a paycut to play in the NFL......Eric Dickerson. Also....on the Leach thing....if he did make a kid sit in a shed and/or equipment room because he had a headache/concussion.....would Leach be on the hot seat more for doing that or MAKING the kid practice? Can't win for losing (and as you may all know....I'm a Longhorn fan so I could care less what happens to Leach....but it just sucks that a coach can't coach without getting in trouble.) As long as nothing illegal and/or racial/sexual/religous/etc happened, then the kids should HTFU. I've been called every name in the book, had my facemask grabed and shook, my mom's been called names, I've been made to run laps for drinking too much water, I've been kicked/pulled/pushed....all by coaches. I never once complained and/or sued, made a formal complaint.....it makes you look like a bigger wuss. |
2009-12-29 2:16 AM in reply to: #2581209 |
Pro 4311 Texas | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach bradleyd3 - 2009-12-28 9:49 PM BellinghamSpence - 2009-12-28 8:39 PM Trivia Question, who was the running mate of James at SMU ????? The highest paid player in College football history and the man who took a paycut to play in the NFL......Eric Dickerson. Also....on the Leach thing....if he did make a kid sit in a shed and/or equipment room because he had a headache/concussion.....would Leach be on the hot seat more for doing that or MAKING the kid practice? Can't win for losing Or maybe he could, I don't know, let the kid watch game film & study. Are you really going to use HTFU with all the evidence out there about the long-term effects of concussions in football? btw I worked with a guy who was on the SMU team the same time as Dickerson & crew. The stories he can tell are amazing, like the poor kid from Tyler(Dickerson) showing up on campus driving a brand-new Camaro. |
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2009-12-29 7:52 AM in reply to: #2581209 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach bradleyd3 - 2009-12-28 9:49 PM BellinghamSpence - 2009-12-28 8:39 PM Trivia Question, who was the running mate of James at SMU ????? The highest paid player in College football history and the man who took a paycut to play in the NFL......Eric Dickerson. Also....on the Leach thing....if he did make a kid sit in a shed and/or equipment room because he had a headache/concussion.....would Leach be on the hot seat more for doing that or MAKING the kid practice? Can't win for losing (and as you may all know....I'm a Longhorn fan so I could care less what happens to Leach....but it just sucks that a coach can't coach without getting in trouble.) As long as nothing illegal and/or racial/sexual/religous/etc happened, then the kids should HTFU. I've been called every name in the book, had my facemask grabed and shook, my mom's been called names, I've been made to run laps for drinking too much water, I've been kicked/pulled/pushed....all by coaches. I never once complained and/or sued, made a formal complaint.....it makes you look like a bigger wuss. ETA: NM, came out wrong. Edited by crowny2 2009-12-29 8:01 AM |
2009-12-29 8:14 AM in reply to: #2580765 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach I don't think it is as much of an issue of HTFU for the player. If the reports are true, and he did have a concussion, I think it was incredibly poor judgement by the coach (not to mention the training staff and team doctors) to put him in a closet, unsupervised, for 3 hours. Concussions are a serious injury and everyone is lucky something worse didn't happen. I'm thankful it didn't. Besides, who puts someone in a closet? Really? I don't get it. |
2009-12-29 8:22 AM in reply to: #2581583 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach crowny2 - 2009-12-29 7:14 AM I don't think it is as much of an issue of HTFU for the player. If the reports are true, and he did have a concussion, I think it was incredibly poor judgement by the coach (not to mention the training staff and team doctors) to put him in a closet, unsupervised, for 3 hours. Concussions are a serious injury and everyone is lucky something worse didn't happen. I'm thankful it didn't. Besides, who puts someone in a closet? Really? I don't get it. I agree 100%! If the kid has a concussion he should not have been left alone in a closet. Stupid! I think this coach deserves more severe punishment than just the suspension. |
2009-12-29 8:46 AM in reply to: #2581583 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach crowny2 - 2009-12-29 8:14 AM I don't think it is as much of an issue of HTFU for the player. If the reports are true, and he did have a concussion, I think it was incredibly poor judgement by the coach (not to mention the training staff and team doctors) to put him in a closet, unsupervised, for 3 hours. Concussions are a serious injury and everyone is lucky something worse didn't happen. I'm thankful it didn't. Besides, who puts someone in a closet? Really? I don't get it. I believe one of the complaints was that he was guarded after being put in the room, so really he wasn't unsupervised, and this was DAYS after a mild concussion. This is typical anymore. A coach does something that embarrasses a player and suddenly he's the bad guy and is a bad person and blah blah blah. This kid needs to HTFU, plain and simple. I hope he doesn't ever to expect respect from his teammates. |
2009-12-29 8:51 AM in reply to: #2580765 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach I call bull $hit. Would you take it from your boss? Humilitaion? Abuse either physical or emotional? How would you feel being called out in a team setting then humiliated and told to "HTFU"? Barbaric and borderline illegal IMHO. |
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2009-12-29 8:55 AM in reply to: #2581686 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach pitt83 - 2009-12-29 8:51 AM I call bull $hit. Would you take it from your boss? Humilitaion? Abuse either physical or emotional? How would you feel being called out in a team setting then humiliated and told to "HTFU"? Barbaric and borderline illegal IMHO. Did you EVER play team sports? |
2009-12-29 9:02 AM in reply to: #2581668 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach mr2tony - 2009-12-29 8:46 AM crowny2 - 2009-12-29 8:14 AM I believe one of the complaints was that he was guarded after being put in the room, so really he wasn't unsupervised, and this was DAYS after a mild concussion. This is typical anymore. A coach does something that embarrasses a player and suddenly he's the bad guy and is a bad person and blah blah blah. This kid needs to HTFU, plain and simple. I hope he doesn't ever to expect respect from his teammates.I don't think it is as much of an issue of HTFU for the player. If the reports are true, and he did have a concussion, I think it was incredibly poor judgement by the coach (not to mention the training staff and team doctors) to put him in a closet, unsupervised, for 3 hours. Concussions are a serious injury and everyone is lucky something worse didn't happen. I'm thankful it didn't. Besides, who puts someone in a closet? Really? I don't get it. That makes a bit of a difference. I'm still not entirely certain why, in gods name, he was put in a closet. Was it for humiliation? I don't get it. And as for the "abuse" players today complain about. I agree they need to HTFU. I think it becomes a fine line, though, when the coach touches player. A poke in the chest or a hank on the face mask, meh, whatever. Choking the player (Knight) or hitting the player obviously cross the line. |
2009-12-29 9:04 AM in reply to: #2580765 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach "While signs of concussion can last for weeks to months, most people recover without any permanent damage. Repeated concussions should be avoided at all costs. If you return to sports too early, you risk suffering from "second impact syndrome." There is evidence that repeated head injuries over time (especially within 3 months of each other) can result in permanent brain damage and sometimes even death. After several concussions, most doctors will recommend that you considering changing sports or current activities." Up until last year I guess I was one of those guys that thought as long as you are breathing just HTFU and don't be a wuss. Then my son had two concussions in a 7-month period. I learned to take concussions seriously. Why risk permenent brain damage? he's doing fine but we make sure he is wearing a helmet in most of activities. We didn't let him ski or snowboard last year because we didn't want to risk another head injury. Concussions really are serious business! |
2009-12-29 9:05 AM in reply to: #2581699 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach mr2tony - 2009-12-29 9:55 AM pitt83 - 2009-12-29 8:51 AM I call bull $hit. Would you take it from your boss? Humilitaion? Abuse either physical or emotional? How would you feel being called out in a team setting then humiliated and told to "HTFU"? Barbaric and borderline illegal IMHO. Did you EVER play team sports? Yep. Swim team. Sure you were corrected and taught, but humiliation? Some. Did I like it: Never. Still carry a grudge against those who did it. And jst because we've made transgressions against people in certain settings for the past 40+ years doesn't make it OK today. Lots of examples where society norms have improved. The pervasive culture of team sports should be a next evolution. BTW: I'm out for a bit. Not stepping down from the discussion though: I opened the rats nest so should stay in it. Off to the LBS b/c my trainer flywheel broke Edited by pitt83 2009-12-29 9:08 AM |
2009-12-29 9:14 AM in reply to: #2581726 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach rayd - 2009-12-29 9:04 AM "While signs of concussion can last for weeks to months, most people recover without any permanent damage. Repeated concussions should be avoided at all costs. If you return to sports too early, you risk suffering from "second impact syndrome." There is evidence that repeated head injuries over time (especially within 3 months of each other) can result in permanent brain damage and sometimes even death. After several concussions, most doctors will recommend that you considering changing sports or current activities." Up until last year I guess I was one of those guys that thought as long as you are breathing just HTFU and don't be a wuss. Then my son had two concussions in a 7-month period. I learned to take concussions seriously. Why risk permenent brain damage? he's doing fine but we make sure he is wearing a helmet in most of activities. We didn't let him ski or snowboard last year because we didn't want to risk another head injury. Concussions really are serious business! I agree. But I dont see how making him sit in a dark closet, if that's indeed what happened, is going to cause another concussion. |
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2009-12-29 9:20 AM in reply to: #2581731 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach pitt83 - 2009-12-29 9:05 AM mr2tony - 2009-12-29 9:55 AM pitt83 - 2009-12-29 8:51 AM I call bull $hit. Would you take it from your boss? Humilitaion? Abuse either physical or emotional? How would you feel being called out in a team setting then humiliated and told to "HTFU"? Barbaric and borderline illegal IMHO. Did you EVER play team sports? Yep. Swim team. Sure you were corrected and taught, but humiliation? Some. Did I like it: Never. Still carry a grudge against those who did it. And jst because we've made transgressions against people in certain settings for the past 40+ years doesn't make it OK today. Lots of examples where society norms have improved. The pervasive culture of team sports should be a next evolution. BTW: I'm out for a bit. Not stepping down from the discussion though: I opened the rats nest so should stay in it. Off to the LBS b/c my trainer flywheel broke In a team setting you're going to be subject to humiliation and embarrassment from time to time. And really, what Leach did to this kid didn't put him in any danger and didn't cause worsening of the injury. He made him sit in a closet. If that indeed is what actually happened. Really, his fellow teammates should shun him until he goes crying home to mommy and daddy. Just irritates me. He's obviously not a team player and has his own agenda. You don't throw your coach under the bus for making you sit in a closet. Now if he hit him or physically abused him, I could see it. But making him sit in a closet? Really? Grow a pair. |
2009-12-29 9:34 AM in reply to: #2581756 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach mr2tony - 2009-12-29 8:14 AM rayd - 2009-12-29 9:04 AM I agree. But I dont see how making him sit in a dark closet, if that's indeed what happened, is going to cause another concussion. "While signs of concussion can last for weeks to months, most people recover without any permanent damage. Repeated concussions should be avoided at all costs. If you return to sports too early, you risk suffering from "second impact syndrome." There is evidence that repeated head injuries over time (especially within 3 months of each other) can result in permanent brain damage and sometimes even death. After several concussions, most doctors will recommend that you considering changing sports or current activities." Up until last year I guess I was one of those guys that thought as long as you are breathing just HTFU and don't be a wuss. Then my son had two concussions in a 7-month period. I learned to take concussions seriously. Why risk permenent brain damage? he's doing fine but we make sure he is wearing a helmet in most of activities. We didn't let him ski or snowboard last year because we didn't want to risk another head injury. Concussions really are serious business! Agreed. Sitting in the closet would not cause a concussion. However, my understanding is that he was left alone in the closet for 3-hours. If that's the case, that was wrong. If he already had a concussion he could have blacked out with nobody there at the time to help him. Seems unlikely but it could happen. Then how would Leach explain that? |
2009-12-29 9:45 AM in reply to: #2581792 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach rayd - 2009-12-29 9:34 AM mr2tony - 2009-12-29 8:14 AM rayd - 2009-12-29 9:04 AM I agree. But I dont see how making him sit in a dark closet, if that's indeed what happened, is going to cause another concussion. "While signs of concussion can last for weeks to months, most people recover without any permanent damage. Repeated concussions should be avoided at all costs. If you return to sports too early, you risk suffering from "second impact syndrome." There is evidence that repeated head injuries over time (especially within 3 months of each other) can result in permanent brain damage and sometimes even death. After several concussions, most doctors will recommend that you considering changing sports or current activities." Up until last year I guess I was one of those guys that thought as long as you are breathing just HTFU and don't be a wuss. Then my son had two concussions in a 7-month period. I learned to take concussions seriously. Why risk permenent brain damage? he's doing fine but we make sure he is wearing a helmet in most of activities. We didn't let him ski or snowboard last year because we didn't want to risk another head injury. Concussions really are serious business! Agreed. Sitting in the closet would not cause a concussion. However, my understanding is that he was left alone in the closet for 3-hours. If that's the case, that was wrong. If he already had a concussion he could have blacked out with nobody there at the time to help him. Seems unlikely but it could happen. Then how would Leach explain that? Read the story again. One of the complaints from the James family was that he was being `guarded' and that a trainer or assistant coach was there with him the whole time, which made him feel like a prisoner, or some such thing. Second, we don't really know what happened. Leach's account is that the kid was sent to a cool, dark place and examined by a doctor then let go. So basically it's `he said-he said.' Anyway this has NOTHING to do with the concussion and more to do with the fact that this kid felt that he was being mistreated. He's a spoiled little rich kid whose parents have a name and pull and when he felt like someone wasn't coddling him, he went to daddy and mommy and whined and got his coach suspended. Unacceptable. |
2009-12-29 9:49 AM in reply to: #2580765 |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Texas Tech Suspends Mike Leach We're also talking about a 21 year old here. It's not like the 6'3, 225lb football player was picked up and carried/thrown into a closet by the 48 year old Mike Leach, who looks to be about 5'10 and 240lbs. There is something that is missing/off about the story. The complaining about the HTFU and putting him in a closet is applicable if the player is 12 and on a pee-wee team. We're talking about a 21 year old man who is basically being paid (through scholarships) to do a job. What happens if he makes it to the pros and has his head shaved at camp? When he is screamed at and told that he will never ammount to anything? When he is cut from a team? Or....what happens if this situation was not about the Tech football team.....but about the Marines or Army and this happened during basic training (which it does....and it's a little more physical than being told to stand in a closet)? I agree, as stated previously, that concussions are bad.....but if he forced Adam to practice he'd be under more heat for that. And I agree with Tony.....this guy will be shuned from his team/teammates for complaining. This, also, could hurt his future in football. Teams try to dig up all they can about players and their tendancies. If he's a complainer....no team will want him (especially if it's unfounded or he embellished). |
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