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2010-01-11 1:49 PM

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Just got an email that I got in this year - anybody else in for the 4.4 mile swim?


2010-01-11 5:38 PM
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Looking at my logs, you know I didn't sign up.  But congrats and good luck Eric!
2010-01-11 7:35 PM
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it's on my bucket list ... but not for this year !

good luck !
2010-01-12 8:14 AM
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trishie - 2010-01-11 8:35 PM it's on my bucket list ... but not for this year !

good luck !

For me, this swim is in another bucket ... the chum bucket! 

2010-01-12 3:00 PM
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trishie - 2010-01-11 8:35 PM it's on my bucket list ... but not for this year !

good luck !


weren't you looking for the next challenge?  I'll sign up for the lottery in 2011 (later this year) if you do
2010-01-12 3:12 PM
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JoshKaptur - 2010-01-12 4:00 PM
trishie - 2010-01-11 8:35 PM it's on my bucket list ... but not for this year !

good luck !


weren't you looking for the next challenge?  I'll sign up for the lottery in 2011 (later this year) if you do


I'll THINK about it


2010-01-13 12:04 PM
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Sounds good.  We can discuss it at savageman Tongue out
2010-01-29 3:54 PM
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I was accepted for the lottery but had to decline because a good friend is getting married that day.  I was pretty disappointed.  I have to say that the bay swim is one of the funnest things I've ever done.

2010-02-02 8:31 AM
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I'm doing it - and I'm new.

Anyone have a training plan for it?

Last year, I did the Nanticoke 3 mi river swim, and felt under trained. But it might have just been the first time in open water thing. I'll be way more than trained for that this year, but might still feel undertrainged for the Bay Bridge Swim using the same method to just go further.

I admit upfront that I am just being lazy about anything other than swimming right now. I should pick back up w/ that - but I sort of hit a wall last year after actually doing a tri in September. The answer might be more non swim stuff on the off days.

If it is I need to hear that, b/c I just can't work up the motivation. I HATE to run, and don't own a bike. I borrowed one to see if I would really get into this first.
2010-02-02 11:07 AM
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Are you hoping to do really well in the swim, or just finish it comfortably?

I looked and looked for plans and never found one.  So I just did what I am used to with marathoning and IMs.  Have a base of 3 swims per week.  One is a long swim that will gradually build up to maybe 3-3.5 miles (can't remember if I ever got to 4).  Those are killers, pool swimming for 2 hours wears you down.  Make sure you bring gatorade to sit on the side so you don't start cramping up.  I would stop every mile and drink almost a whole bottle.  Anyway, of the other two swims, one was like a "tempo run" except it was swimming.  Like a mile swim at a good pace.  The last swim of the week was for drills and intervals.

That worked out pretty well for me.  I was sick on race day so I really don't know how well I would've done otherwise.  But I did it and it was a blast.

2010-02-02 2:12 PM
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Last year training for the 3 mi swim in May, I just did it. Stupidly, straight back from vacation in January; did a few mile/mile and a half swims. then 2 mi 3X/week, then 2.5 mi 3X/week the next week, then the following week had one longer swim per week of 3 mi. I just kept doing that (3X/week; 2.5, 2/5 & 3 mi each) for February, March & April. The swim was May 3rd or so.

I finished the swim. But I was DONE at the end. and had wrenched my back. I think from renting a wetsuit that was too big and lugging around all the water that it filled up w/ for almost 2 hrs. It was also my first ever open water swim, and I guestimate that I actually swam 3.5 mi w/ all the going off course. I got yelled by the guys in the kayaks ALOT to get back on course.

This year I'm building more slowly. I'll be hitting 2.5 mi /swim at the end of February & keep building steadily towards 4.4 for the Bay Bridge in June. Just 3 times per week. Last year I did couch to 5K for learning to run on the non swim days. I plan to run again on the off days again this year. Whenever I work up the motivation to get back to running. I HATE running.

So far my plan is to just keep plogging along w/ swimming 3X/week and build to the 4.4 mi per swim.

Yeah I'm already having deep and meaningful conversations w/ the black line at the bottom of the pool. My attention span is about an hour. After that my mind wandering gets a little weird. I figured there HAS to be a better way.


2010-02-02 2:14 PM
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Oh yeah, and just looking to finish comfortably. I already selected the "probably going to take longer than 2.5 hours" wave for the start.
2010-02-02 3:49 PM
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Not much in the way of training plans for the Bay Swim but here's a couple suggestions.

The Bay Swim requires swimming in conditions unlike those in a pool, river, or lake. Even swimming at Sandy Point, where the Bay Swim begins, will not fully match conditions in the deeper channel of the bay. Cross-currents, waves, and swirling eddies around the bridge supports are really hard to simulate in practice, even if you have access to open water.

Prepare your body to maintain a steady pace swimming for 2+ hours. But, you will also need to be strong enough to add in many short bursts of sprinting to navigate the channel, especially if the currents are strong on race day. So on your long swims, add in several sprinting intervals, especially as you get more tired, to simulate the temporary increases in speed you'll need to employ in the Bay.

Prepare to allow you to adjust your breathing side left or right, or bilateral, depending on wind/wave direction. One year the 16kt winds & waves were from the NE, but were enhanced by a current from the S, making it impossible to breathe to the left without a face full from a wall of water. Simply adjusting to breathing only right solved the problem. Also, prepare yourself to be comfortable with having to skip breaths on occasion to deal with inevitable mouthfuls of yummy bay water in the chop.

Sighting and navigation is fairly easy in this swim by keeping an eye on the 2 bridge spans. When the N-S or S-N current is strong, however, you'll need to swim diagonally in the channel and sight across to the upstream bridge supports to prevent being pulled off course and getting DQ'd. So practice sighting on items ahead of you and to the side. A cone or pull buoy on the pool deck can help with this.

I agree with the idea of 3 or more swims/week, with at least one focusing on an increasing distance up to something close to race distance (6-7000 M). A second workout each week should focus on longer intervals with brief rest (e.g. 20 x 200 with 10 sec rest). A third workout could be used to develop speed/strength/sprint techniques and work on sighting drills. Any open water experience you can get would be very helpful, also.

This is an example 2500 M distance set. Goal is to hold a steady pace through the entire set, but with embedded sprint intervals. Set watch to beep every 2 minutes (or so). When the watch beeps, increase tempo to 95% (hard sprint) for one length of the pool. If it beeps as you get close to the wall, you have to make the turn and sprint the full length.

100 rest 10
200 rest 20
300 rest 30
400 rest 40
500 rest 50
400 rest 40
300 rest 30
200 rest 20
100 sprint

Note that a similar set can be constructed where upon the beep of the watch you can only breath every 4-5 strokes for a full length to help with breathing recovery.




2010-02-02 5:30 PM
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Haha, talking about this makes me remember my swim, and makes me wish I could do it this year.  You are going to have so much fun, Avery!!  It is going to be awesome.

Maybe I can get in the 1 miler and still make the wedding.

2010-02-02 6:31 PM
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x2 everything econway said. 

The more OWS experience you can get prior to race day the better.  A couple hours in a wetsuit (if you're wearing one) is something else to consider - different body position and chafing issues.  I'd work on sighting a lot in the pool. 

Enjoy it.  There isn't much else to compare to the feeling when you're in the middle of that channel and you've got 2 miles of water in front of you and 2 miles of water behind you (and 30 miles to your left and 120 miles to your right).
2010-02-02 8:18 PM
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Thanks! I've charted out ahead to get to about 320 laps, and 4.4 should equal 310. I guess I need to tinker w/ one or two of the swims per week being shorter for working on sprint intervals; and as always - bilateral breathing.

No matter how many times I make a project of it, I can't get bilateral breathing down!! I will try again!

 

Will probably be wearing a wet suit - but I'm not 100% sold on the idea after the 3 mile swim last year. I'm thinking I'd swim as cold as 68 w/o one.



2010-02-03 6:00 AM
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I'd only do one swim/week that was building up towards the race distance.  The others I'd maintain between 3000-5000yds working on intervals of varying distances (but mostly endurance based intervals).  Think of it like marathon training, one long run/week....
2010-02-03 11:11 AM
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Every time I've done the bay swim the water was plenty warm enough to go without a wetsuit. I've always worn my sleeveless more for the assist it gives than for thermal protection. It does help with sunburn protection, too. If I didn't wear one, I'd get some serious waterproof sunblock if it's a sunny day
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econway - 2010-02-03 12:11 PM Every time I've done the bay swim the water was plenty warm enough to go without a wetsuit. I've always worn my sleeveless more for the assist it gives than for thermal protection. It does help with sunburn protection, too. If I didn't wear one, I'd get some serious waterproof sunblock if it's a sunny day

Oh yes I had forgotten about that.  I had a swim cap tan line going across my forehead, I was decently red.

Agree on the one long swim per week idea.



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2010-02-04 7:58 AM
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I like that you guys are saying the one long swim per week will be enough to build the endurance I need. It will cut down on the other 2 swims per week being 2 hours + long. They'll still be like 1:30 or so, but it cuts down on the boredom at least. And I LOVE that doing this w/o a wet suit is a possibility, that seriously wrecked my back in the 3 mil swim last year. 6 weeks of muscle spasms. I know it was my own fault, but I'm not necessarily any smarter this year for finding a beeter suit this year.

What I hadn't considered is the sun!! I guess the wet suit at least protected me from that! I appreciate all the info/advice I can get! Thank you guys!

I did work on bilateral breathing last night. There's some progress since I can actually do it, including the breathing part, now. Before I had been turning to that side and holding my breath to concentrate on it. But rolling to that side still feels like limping in my stroke. Very unnatural. I guess I need to just keep doing it til it works.

I REALLY need to find a masters group for at least ONE of my swims per week. I don't push myself very hard to sprint or do intervals left to my own devices. All the long slow anything (bike, run whatever) in the world, but I am not fast and probably never will be.
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Reviving the thread for a question. Would it be INSANE to consider a Sprint distance tri on June 6 in VABeach, w/ the Bay Bridge Swim on June 13th?

I'm still registered/scheduled for the Bay Bridge, and training towards it. I have the 3 mi open water swim about 5 weeks prior, which already shouldn't be a problem.

Last year, I did the same 3 mi open water swim on May 2nd or so; and started tri training then. Pretty much the same deal, had started running w/ Couch to 5K in February. Had no biking, and just some running in February, March, and April. By June last year I felt ready for a tri, but had to keep going til Sept since that was the Tri I registered for. I got a little bored/burned out at that point and started skipping workouts etc.

I thought the more immediate deadline would keep me motivated. And to be ready for sprint Distance by June, so I'd have a benchmark for continuing towards Olympic length for later in the year. I want to do a longer tri this year.

I might be just getting over excited/ahead of myself since I'm SLOWLY getting back into running, and pick up my brand new bike this afternoon.


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I've never swam that far before but would think that you should be suffciently recovered from a Sprint race to do an endurance swim the next weekend if you're properly trained.
2010-03-18 11:43 AM
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Yeah go ahead and do the swim.  You've never done it before, who cares what time you finish it in?  For that matter, who cares if you haven't recovered and get pulled out at mile 2?  Not that that is likely to happen.  It's a lifetime experience you are being presented here.  Go do it. :-)

You also also new to tris, so if your swim training interferes with your ability to go your fastest for the sprint, who cares with that too? If it means you do the sprint 1 minute slower, it's totally worth it.

The trick is going to be balancing the training for the two.  And to feel confident about the Bay Swim, you are probably going to be itching to do a long swim not long before the sprint tri.  That may interfere with the sprint tri ability slightly, but it's ok.

Between races, avoid doing too much, you just need to do short swims and get rested.

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If I had to choose - I would do the swim and just find a later tri, or put it off altogether until I had the training done for the Olympic length tri I want to do (starting the training after the Bay Bridge). I just want to know if I CAN do both.

The Bay Bridge is absolutely my priority.

You're right it's a once in a lifetime thing. I enjoy swimming that long b/c I can, endurance and swimming in particular are about the ONLY athletic things that I can do as well as anyone else. I can't run to save my life. I only started doing Tri's b/c it's about the only way to swim as an adult. There aren't Swims the way there are community fund raiser 5Ks for funning.

No plan to ditch the Bay Bridge or the 3 mile open water swim, just asking about ADDING the tri. If it's a bad idea I can wait til later in the summer for a tri. That's all. And I might need to hear that too, if that's the smarter course of action.

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You'll be fine doing the triathlon and the bay swim a week apart.

Just go through a normal triathlon training plan, except that your swim workouts will be longer and more frequent as you prepare for the Bay swim.

The sprint tri won't take so much out of you that you'll be too tired to do the Bay swim a week later.

No worries, if you've got the free time do it!


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