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 2010-01-28 9:15 PM |
Expert 950    Ann Arbor |  Subject: Signs of pronation?I started running regularly in August when I bought a pair of Asics gel 1140, and ever since, my feet have felt comfortable in those shoes. I hadn't done any runnin the last two months of 2009, and I have just begun training for the USAT Collegiate Nationals. A couple days ago the inside of my knees started to get sore. I just ordered a pair of Zoot Ultra TT 2.0 on the cheap and I tested those out today for 2 miles/25min on the treadmill. My knees and the inside of my thighs were a little sore during this run. Am I wondering if I am a pronator... I don't expect anybody to verify this because none of you are foot specialists in the room with me. I am just wondering if these are signs of pronation. It might just be my mind playing tricks on me, but it seems like my feet naturally lean inwards a little bit. I am 19 years old, 150 pounds, 5'11 and have been in shape all my life. I know that my body can adapt well to stresses and that neutral shoes help strengthen feet. I know that the Zoots I just bought have neutral cushioning. I am thinking about returning those online for the other model of Zoots(red ones) that have more stability. I don't have money to spend on going to a foot specialist and I don't know how my local running store would feel if I asked them to look at my feet but didn't buy shoes. Should I just wear my Zoots for a small portion of an occasional run to slowly let my feet get used to them? |
| 2010-01-28 9:23 PM in reply to: #2641466 |
| Expert 950 Ann Arbor | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? BTW I ordered them from runningwarehouse.com so I got free shipping, and I also get free return shipping. Now that I think of it, I might just order the Ultra Tempo 2+ and just return them if I don't like them. They give you free 2 day shipping, but the free return shipping might take up to 10 days. If I did this, then I would come to a decision sooner. EDIT: I pulled the trigger on the Zoots with more support. Edited by carlwithac 2010-01-28 9:36 PM |
| 2010-01-28 9:41 PM in reply to: #2641475 |
Champion 7233  | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? no comment on the running form but did you get hte tempo or the advantage (tempo is the lightweight trainer/advantage is more of a traiing shoe) i run in both and love them both. |
| 2010-01-28 9:47 PM in reply to: #2641507 |
| Expert 950 Ann Arbor | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? newbz - 2010-01-28 9:41 PM no comment on the running form but did you get hte tempo or the advantage (tempo is the lightweight trainer/advantage is more of a traiing shoe) i run in both and love them both. I bought the red Ultra Tempo 2+. I like that that have the loops on the back and the pseudo tongue. I want to use these mainly for sockless racing. I intend to break them in a little bit so that my feet are used to them. I just want to make sure that I have the most comfortable pair. |
| 2010-01-28 9:49 PM in reply to: #2641466 |
Expert 938 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? I'm no doctor, but I'm not an over-pronater and had the same issue last year. I bought the Brooks Defyance (now have the 2), which is a neutral shoe, and the problems went away. I was running with Asics Kayano before that. |
| 2010-01-28 10:23 PM in reply to: #2641466 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? Look at the wear pattern on the bottom of your shoes. How would you describe the wear pattern? Are the insides (instep) of the forefoot area more worn than the middle or outside of that area? BTW, the 1140 is a shoe for overpronators, a low mileage shoe. How many miles do you have on the shoes? Typically, overpronators have knee pain on the lateral (outside) part of the knee; it's the IT band flaring up because when the ankle rolls inward, the knee follows and stresses the ITB. How do your arches look? |
| 2010-01-28 10:34 PM in reply to: #2641516 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? just keep in mind the tempo is basically a beefed up flat. i did most of my running in them last year but this year switched to the advantage as mileage went up. it simply was not enough shoe to keep me feet going strong with more running. (even the trainers by zoot are light shoes, what most companies call ltwt trainers). i'm about your weight as well. that said if you can run all the time in them enjoy, they are awesome shoes! |
| 2010-01-29 6:16 AM in reply to: #2641466 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? I'd bet money that you pronate. The reason why: almost everyone pronates. Only those with high arches underpronate (also called supination). Pronation is a natural movement that helps distribute weight across the foot. Too much is bad, but knee pain is not really the best way to say that's the cause. First thing I would do is look at your training. How much are you training, how often, how hard. Knee is just as likely (if not moreso) to be caused by poor training as it is the wrong shoe. Additionally, soreness is not really that descriptive. It could be that you're adapting to running and you have the associated aches and pains. Or it could be that you're developing some sort of injury. Too hard to say. |
| 2010-01-29 8:02 AM in reply to: #2641728 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? to weigh in on the foot issue. I am a wild over pronater, and i've never had a single running/knee issue related to it. In fact i think the only running knee issue i have ever had was from treadmills. that said, inside of my shins/that whole area has taken a beating. here is a photo of my foot rolling all the way in (n28501947_30957422_143.jpg) Attachments ---------------- n28501947_30957422_143.jpg (13KB - 7 downloads) |
| 2010-01-29 10:16 AM in reply to: #2641728 |
| 42 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? Scout7 - 2010-01-29 6:16 AM I'd bet money that you pronate. The reason why: almost everyone pronates. Only those with high arches underpronate (also called supination). Pronation is a natural movement that helps distribute weight across the foot. Too much is bad, but knee pain is not really the best way to say that's the cause. First thing I would do is look at your training. How much are you training, how often, how hard. Knee is just as likely (if not moreso) to be caused by poor training as it is the wrong shoe. Additionally, soreness is not really that descriptive. It could be that you're adapting to running and you have the associated aches and pains. Or it could be that you're developing some sort of injury. Too hard to say. bingo it is a matter of degree and as to the poster that said they have not yet had any problems from their pronation, with the pic you posted just give it some time..... |
| 2010-01-30 10:11 AM in reply to: #2641466 |
| Expert 950 Ann Arbor | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? The soles of my 1140s seem to be worn pretty evenly. I'm not sure what the expected life of those shoes are, but all of the running in my log has been done in those shoes(minus about 5mi). I believe that I have pretty high arches, but I don't think that I supinate. The soreness of my knees was on the inside. My shins felt a little sore also. However, since I have only been training for a couple weeks since my long break, I might have been pushing too hard. I think I might add in another short run session into my plan and just run everything at a slower pace for a little while. I'm going to the gym soon for a slow 40min run so I'll see how my body reacts. |
| 2010-01-30 1:09 PM in reply to: #2642367 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? Mother's Finest - 2010-01-29 9:16 AM Scout7 - 2010-01-29 6:16 AM I'd bet money that you pronate. The reason why: almost everyone pronates. Only those with high arches underpronate (also called supination). Pronation is a natural movement that helps distribute weight across the foot. Too much is bad, but knee pain is not really the best way to say that's the cause. First thing I would do is look at your training. How much are you training, how often, how hard. Knee is just as likely (if not moreso) to be caused by poor training as it is the wrong shoe. Additionally, soreness is not really that descriptive. It could be that you're adapting to running and you have the associated aches and pains. Or it could be that you're developing some sort of injury. Too hard to say. bingo it is a matter of degree and as to the poster that said they have not yet had any problems from their pronation, with the pic you posted just give it some time..... i in the past did have a few issues, now i have none because i've gone about training in a smart way. |
| 2010-01-30 2:59 PM in reply to: #2641466 |
| Member 45 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? You should try to look at your knees while walking and running. See if you notice any collapsing of your knees inward during the push off phase. Another test for this is the one leg squat. Stand on one leg and try to squat down without holding on to anything. Look at your knee and notice if your knee collapses inward while you squat down. Also, look at your feet, do you point them straight ahead, out, or in? Walking/running duck-footed or pigeon-toed can also contribute to knee pain. If your knee collapses inward this means that your weight shifts inward and puts excess stress on the inside of your knee which can cause pain (this can also cause pain on the outside of the knee). If you find this is the case for you, you may find it beneficial to strengthen your abductors and perform one leg squats focusing on moving your knees over your toes in a straight line and not allowing your knee to move inward. Also, people that pronate excessively don't necessarily develope knee pain. It has been suggested that strong abductor muscles (specifically the gluteus medius) can counteract the natural tendancy of the leg to rotate inward along with the foot. |
| 2010-01-30 3:22 PM in reply to: #2641905 |
| 18 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? newbz - 2010-01-29 8:02 AMto weigh in on the foot issue. I am a wild over pronater, and i've never had a single running/knee issue related to it. In fact i think the only running knee issue i have ever had was from treadmills. that said, inside of my shins/that whole area has taken a beating. here is a photo of my foot rolling all the way in Just this week I had to stop running and rest because the inside of my shins hurts so bad I thought I would cry after .5 miles. Do you know what this is? They are "fine" now, but I have spent some serious time on the foam roller this week. Edited by timmediah 2010-01-30 3:23 PM |
| 2010-01-30 4:35 PM in reply to: #2641466 |
Veteran 262 Sarasota, Florida | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? Medial/inside of the shin pain can also come around from a tight gastroc/achilles. If the foot can't dorsiflex like it's supposed to the ankle will start pronating more, putting some stress on the posterior tib. muscle (which is medial/inside of the shin). At the other end, weak abductors can also contribute. IMO you can strengthen the hips and stretch the calves and you can see a big difference, assuming your training isn't too much for your body to recover from and there's not another injury going on like a stress reaction/fracture. If that's the case then you're not gonna see much change. |
| 2010-01-30 5:34 PM in reply to: #2644747 |
| 18 | Subject: RE: Signs of pronation? chunta - 2010-01-30 4:35 PM Medial/inside of the shin pain can also come around from a tight gastroc/achilles. If the foot can't dorsiflex like it's supposed to the ankle will start pronating more, putting some stress on the posterior tib. muscle (which is medial/inside of the shin). At the other end, weak abductors can also contribute. IMO you can strengthen the hips and stretch the calves and you can see a big difference, assuming your training isn't too much for your body to recover from and there's not another injury going on like a stress reaction/fracture. If that's the case then you're not gonna see much change. Yeah, I wasnt trying to blame my shoes, just curious if others feel pain on interior shin or calf area. What you said make a ton of sense, I think it has to do with the cold and I was trying some dynamic stretching last week that did not really work my calves. I am not thinking stress reaction or fracture because the pain is not really in the bone, I can tap around it and I feel no pain. Thanks for the thoughts and I completely agree. I liked the added bit on the muscle, I definitely know what you are talking about there, I have some pain there probably due to a weak muscle. Edit2: this is not my first half marathon, and my body should handle most of this training, I am just out there having fun. Edited by timmediah 2010-01-30 5:37 PM |
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