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2010-04-29 5:51 PM

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... is off the table.

Obama takes immigration reform off agenda

So, to recap, Obama calls Arizona's attempts to ebb the tide of illegal immigration "misguided," then turns around and says that the federal government won't be doing anything to change ithe current failing policies until after the crucial midterm elections.

Doesn't everyone just love politics.


2010-04-29 6:16 PM
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Why would he deal with it.  To deal with it you have to have an opinion.  Much easier just to blame the folks in Arizona for a bad law and make political hay than come to terms with how and why a population that elected a Democratic Governor 65/35 just four years ago are now 70%+ for that bill.  The frustration in AZ over their 500,000 "guests" finely boiled over...  And frustration makes for very bad legislation.  But you can score a lot of political points by attacking it and never giving a solution...

Politics over outcome... Nothing new there...



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2010-04-29 6:45 PM
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2010-04-29 7:13 PM
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AcesFull - 2010-04-29 7:45 PM Bush, McCain and Obama all had essentially the same position where it came to immigration.  Unfortunately, the reforms each wanted were VERY unpopular.  Bush dealt with this by doing little.  Obama and McCain essentially seemed to agree to say nothing on the topic, as there was nothing to be gained by either in expressing their views. 

Obama is doing nothing for essentially the same reason Bush did nothing, because the correct action is wildly unpopular.

What is the correct action?

2010-04-29 8:43 PM
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I agree that it has gone on for a long time and Pres. Obama is just continuing to ignore the issue like everyone else.  Those before him were just as bad...

As to the action:  Shut the boarder!  Then start to address the issues one by one.  But nothing works until you have a border that works...  I know, I live in southern Arizona.

2010-04-29 8:54 PM
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Probably for the better, anything that he would try would probably be an insult to my wife and in-laws and all of the hard-work and money that they dedicated to legally immigrating.

Me and my brown legal immigrant wife may consider a trip to AZ to counter any boycotts... where is better Shangri-La or Mira Vista Resort?


2010-04-29 9:26 PM
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it's always refreshing to read   "but, but, Bush !!!.....  " is still being used to describe the current presidents actions or inactions
2010-04-29 9:42 PM
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uclamatt2007 - 2010-04-29 5:51 PM ... is off the table.

Obama takes immigration reform off agenda

So, to recap, Obama calls Arizona's attempts to ebb the tide of illegal immigration "misguided," then turns around and says that the federal government won't be doing anything to change ithe current failing policies until after the crucial midterm elections.

Doesn't everyone just love politics.

The Republicans in the House and Senate have also said it's off the table.  Do they get a headline too?  They claim Arizona is in the right to do this since the federal government isn't acting, but Mitch Mconnell has said (direct quote from 4 days ago):

"I just don't think this is the right time to take up this issue, with the border security problems, the drug wars going on across the border, 10 percent unemployment. It just strikes me that our time would be better spent at the federal level on other issues."

So, if you're going to slam Obama for "taking reform off the table", please make sure to also pay appropriate dues to the Republican Senate leadership.  Otherwise, you aren't making a point, you're just cherry picking to score political points.

2010-04-29 10:17 PM
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Gaarryy - 2010-04-29 10:26 PM it's always refreshing to read   "but, but, Bush !!!.....  " is still being used to describe the current presidents actions or inactions


Actually President Bush was in favor of immigration reform. It was the Republican controlled Congress that chose to do nothing. Bush called the status quo "inhumane."

 
2010-04-29 10:27 PM
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It just shows that legal citizens have nothing to be worried about with the new AZ law. It's just naysayers spewing hysteria and getting everyone all nervous about getting their civil rights taken away. A simple politcal move gearing up for the mid-term election.

Everyone can feel comfortable that their rights are in tack. AZ isn't tossing out any legal, law abiding residents.
2010-04-29 10:43 PM
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coredump - 2010-04-29 9:42 PM

uclamatt2007 - 2010-04-29 5:51 PM ... is off the table.

Obama takes immigration reform off agenda

So, to recap, Obama calls Arizona's attempts to ebb the tide of illegal immigration "misguided," then turns around and says that the federal government won't be doing anything to change ithe current failing policies until after the crucial midterm elections.

Doesn't everyone just love politics.

The Republicans in the House and Senate have also said it's off the table.  Do they get a headline too?  They claim Arizona is in the right to do this since the federal government isn't acting, but Mitch Mconnell has said (direct quote from 4 days ago):

"I just don't think this is the right time to take up this issue, with the border security problems, the drug wars going on across the border, 10 percent unemployment. It just strikes me that our time would be better spent at the federal level on other issues."

So, if you're going to slam Obama for "taking reform off the table", please make sure to also pay appropriate dues to the Republican Senate leadership.  Otherwise, you aren't making a point, you're just cherry picking to score political points.



Republicans have no power to control the agenda so I can't think of any instance that the R's would get any credit for putting anything on or off the table.

With 60% of American's agreeing with the law (according to Rasmussen) this is nothing more than the Dems blinking before the mid-terms.

But, let's not kid ourselves. The Dems care about power too much to ignore the immigration question. There is a huge Latino voting block that will welcome the entitlements like free healthcare and welfare offered by the Democratic party and amnesty for illegals will be very much on the agenda next year. 

Healthcare was the the first phase of the plan to increase the D's power and illegal alien amnesty is the second.



2010-04-29 10:44 PM
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Renee - 2010-04-29 10:17 PM
Gaarryy - 2010-04-29 10:26 PM it's always refreshing to read   "but, but, Bush !!!.....  " is still being used to describe the current presidents actions or inactions


Actually President Bush was in favor of immigration reform. It was the Republican controlled Congress that chose to do nothing. Bush called the status quo "inhumane."

 


Which once again proves Bush's failure in domestic policy.
2010-04-29 11:07 PM
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Jackemy - 2010-04-29 10:43 PM
coredump - 2010-04-29 9:42 PM

uclamatt2007 - 2010-04-29 5:51 PM ... is off the table.

Obama takes immigration reform off agenda

So, to recap, Obama calls Arizona's attempts to ebb the tide of illegal immigration "misguided," then turns around and says that the federal government won't be doing anything to change ithe current failing policies until after the crucial midterm elections.

Doesn't everyone just love politics.

The Republicans in the House and Senate have also said it's off the table.  Do they get a headline too?  They claim Arizona is in the right to do this since the federal government isn't acting, but Mitch Mconnell has said (direct quote from 4 days ago):

"I just don't think this is the right time to take up this issue, with the border security problems, the drug wars going on across the border, 10 percent unemployment. It just strikes me that our time would be better spent at the federal level on other issues."

So, if you're going to slam Obama for "taking reform off the table", please make sure to also pay appropriate dues to the Republican Senate leadership.  Otherwise, you aren't making a point, you're just cherry picking to score political points.



Republicans have no power to control the agenda so I can't think of any instance that the R's would get any credit for putting anything on or off the table.

Filibuster has no power to control the agenda?

2010-04-29 11:40 PM
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eabeam - 2010-04-29 6:54 PM Probably for the better, anything that he would try would probably be an insult to my wife and in-laws and all of the hard-work and money that they dedicated to legally immigrating.

Me and my brown legal immigrant wife may consider a trip to AZ to counter any boycotts... where is better Shangri-La or Mira Vista Resort?

I have not been to Mira Vista, but Shangri-La is nice. Decent rooms/cabins, nice pool with a small clubhouse, Sauna (not that it's needed in the summer) and a good hot tub. It's family friendly if memory servers me correctly.

2010-04-30 12:40 PM
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Jackemy - 2010-04-29 11:44 PM
Renee - 2010-04-29 10:17 PM
Gaarryy - 2010-04-29 10:26 PM it's always refreshing to read   "but, but, Bush !!!.....  " is still being used to describe the current presidents actions or inactions


Actually President Bush was in favor of immigration reform. It was the Republican controlled Congress that chose to do nothing. Bush called the status quo "inhumane."

 


Which once again proves Bush's failure in domestic policy.


Demonstrating that the GOP had/has no solutions to offer.
 
2010-04-30 12:49 PM
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2010-04-30 12:54 PM
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Renee - 2010-04-30 11:40 AM
Jackemy - 2010-04-29 11:44 PM
Renee - 2010-04-29 10:17 PM
Gaarryy - 2010-04-29 10:26 PM it's always refreshing to read   "but, but, Bush !!!.....  " is still being used to describe the current presidents actions or inactions


Actually President Bush was in favor of immigration reform. It was the Republican controlled Congress that chose to do nothing. Bush called the status quo "inhumane."

 


Which once again proves Bush's failure in domestic policy.


Demonstrating that the GOP had/has no solutions to offer.
 


Huh?  So now if Bush didn't fix it, the GOP has/had nothing to offer?  Right... 
2010-04-30 12:59 PM
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merlin2375 - 2010-04-28 8:13 PM
AcesFull - 2010-04-29 7:45 PM Bush, McCain and Obama all had essentially the same position where it came to immigration.  Unfortunately, the reforms each wanted were VERY unpopular.  Bush dealt with this by doing little.  Obama and McCain essentially seemed to agree to say nothing on the topic, as there was nothing to be gained by either in expressing their views. 

Obama is doing nothing for essentially the same reason Bush did nothing, because the correct action is wildly unpopular.

What is the correct action?



Give them amnesty so they can fully partake in the system.

OR

Pack them up and send them home.

Either way, I don't care.
2010-04-30 1:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Federal Immigration Reform
Immigration reform is much like the federal deficit problem. Both sides are paralyzed to act because any solution would be unpopular with huge blocks of voters. To address immigration reform, you have to look at securing the borders and deciding what to do with those here illegally, including those with "anchor" babies and there's no solution that will satisfy a majority of the people. To deal with the deficit, you have to address Social Security and Medicare and risk alienating huge blocks of voters.

You can blame the current POTUS, you can blame the former POTUS, you can blame the current Congress or any of those in the past 15 years, but the truth is all are to blame to a certain extent. Until the parties in Washington decide to quit worrying about re-election and focus more on makign the hard choices they were elected to make we are destined to debate these issues to death and never take any steps to actually correct them.


2010-04-30 1:08 PM
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uclamatt2007 - 2010-04-29 5:51 PM ... is off the table.

Obama takes immigration reform off agenda

So, to recap, Obama calls Arizona's attempts to ebb the tide of illegal immigration "misguided," then turns around and says that the federal government won't be doing anything to change ithe current failing policies until after the crucial midterm elections.

Doesn't everyone just love politics.


I think he knows he can only get the support for "maybe" one more high profile piece of legislation in bank reform he already cashed in alot of favors for healthcare and immigration reform is a wedge issue for both parties.  Neither has anything to gain and everything to lose especially the republicans
2010-04-30 1:17 PM
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bradword - 2010-04-30 1:54 PM
Renee - 2010-04-30 11:40 AM
Jackemy - 2010-04-29 11:44 PM
Renee - 2010-04-29 10:17 PM
Gaarryy - 2010-04-29 10:26 PM it's always refreshing to read   "but, but, Bush !!!.....  " is still being used to describe the current presidents actions or inactions


Actually President Bush was in favor of immigration reform. It was the Republican controlled Congress that chose to do nothing. Bush called the status quo "inhumane."

 


Which once again proves Bush's failure in domestic policy.


Demonstrating that the GOP had/has no solutions to offer.
 


Huh?  So now if Bush didn't fix it, the GOP has/had nothing to offer?  Right... 


Come on, Brad. Your reading skills are much better than that.

GOP Congress with a GOP POTUS who had not vetoed ANY of the GOP bills - seems like the perfect opportunity to enact reform. Did this GOP Congress give us immigration reform? NO. They gave us NOTHING.  The facts are what the facts are. In fact, the GOP minority is STILL saying there will be NO immigration reform.

Let's not pretend the GOP actually wants immigration reform when they demonstrated otherwise for many, many years. Their lack of action and ideas demonstrates the reality of the matter. 

And, if the Democrat controlled Congress does nothing or proposes nothing, I'll be saying the same thing about them.  The facts are what the facts are.


2010-04-30 1:25 PM
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Sorry Renee,

that is much more clear.  I don't think either side is efficient when they have power.  I'd be happy to see most of both sides change and get new blood in there. 
2010-04-30 1:38 PM
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I find it interesting that some people say amnesty is a solution to our problems. Amnesty is, in my opinion, a horrible idea. Rewarding breaking the law is a great way to get more of it.
2010-04-30 1:42 PM
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Many good points made here, but IMHO well overthought. This is all about the fastest growing voter block in the US. Nobody wants to rock the Hispanic ship right now. Both Bush and Obama were significantly lifted by these voters and everyone is well aware. Arizona had to make a move politically because of Budget neccessity. Until it is a financial & Budget 800 lb gorrilla at National level (some could argue it already is), it will be left untouched Nationally.

2 cents of course.
2010-04-30 1:45 PM
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cardenas1 - 2010-04-30 1:42 PM
This is all about the fastest growing voter block in the US. Nobody wants to rock the Hispanic ship right now. Both Bush and Obama were significantly lifted by these voters and everyone is well aware. Arizona had to make a move politically because of Budget neccessity. Until it is a financial & Budget 800 lb gorrilla at National level (some could argue it already is), it will be left untouched Nationally.

2 cents of course.


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