Bye bye Big 12 (Page 3)

ColdRingo6 - 2010-06-13 7:15 PM

My guess is, the Big 12 is dead.  I'd personally like to see it survive (even grow), but I'll be a Longhorn no matter where we end up.

There is some hope, apparently.... http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1093803
 

running2far - 2010-06-14 8:55 AM Sounds like they've worked it out. Big XII will run with Ten teams. They take the cash from CU and NU for the buyout Dump the championship game Texas will get to have their own network (not good for the rest of the conference) http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038 TAM could still blow this out of the water if they decide to move to the SEC (do they have an invite, I haven't even hear).

JBrashear - 2010-06-14 8:57 AM

I'll believe it when I see it.  I think UT, OU, OSU, & Tech to the Pac 10 is a done deal & Beebe's just throwing hail marys.

JBrashear - 2010-06-14 8:57 AM



I'll believe it when I see it.  I think UT, OU, OSU, & Tech to the Pac 10 is a done deal & Beebe's just throwing hail marys.

running2far - 2010-06-14 10:14 AM ESPN reporting that TAM will take the SEC invite and the rest goes west....

JBrashear - 2010-06-14 10:24 AM

BTW, something that hasn't been reported much(relatively speaking) is that DeLoss has apparently told the Aggies if they bolt for the SEC, Texas isn't going to schedule them for anything anymore.  A&M's effectively killing the rivalry if they head to the SEC.

JBrashear - 2010-06-14 9:57 AM



I'll believe it when I see it.  I think UT, OU, OSU, & Tech to the Pac 10 is a done deal & Beebe's just throwing hail marys.

Its Only Money - 2010-06-14 12:29 PM Seems like more and more chatter has UT staying put? You have any more updates since this morning?

jgaither - 2010-06-14 1:20 PM I'm a horn so I see EXACTLY why UT wants everyone to stay, but from aTm perspective I find it hard to see the advantages of staying with the Big 12.  Anyone care to enlighten me?

JBrashear - 2010-06-14 2:10 PM

Maybe they looked up the Wikipedia article on what happened to Arkansas when they thought moving to the SEC was a good idea.

jgaither - 2010-06-14 2:37 PM

That would have to be the only thing, but there is no guarantee that the same thing would happen to them.

JBrashear - 2010-06-14 7:48 PM Well, that sucks.  I'm sure Texas ended up with more money & the go-ahead to start their own network, but I liked the idea of heading to the Pac-10.

A&M's fanbase is livid about staying.

bmass - 2010-06-14 9:24 PM Didn't Arkansas win a the NCAA basketball championship shortly after entering the SEC?  And, hasn't Arkansas been one of the best track and field schools in the country consistantly?  I guess the definition of a good move depends on your priorities.

bmass - 2010-06-14 9:24 PM Didn't Arkansas win a the NCAA basketball championship shortly after entering the SEC?  And, hasn't Arkansas been one of the best track and field schools in the country consistantly?  I guess the definition of a good move depends on your priorities.

jdwright56 - 2010-06-15 4:54 AM Don't you think, however, that this is actually going to hurt Texas in the short run?  SOS is going to be just awful.  I mean, goodness: Baylor, Iowa St., K state, Kansas,Mizzou, Oklahaoma, OSU, A&M and Tech?  6 of those schoiols are seen by most of America as subpar football schools (I think they still pack a punch in many other sports - but we all know that Football and Basketball pay the bills) and many are not convinced that Tech is anything but Areena football on a large field.  That leaves three good football teams and a bunch of also rans that are generally worse than the Big Tens (WTH do we call that conference now?) also rans. 
At First glance - over the last 6 years (I stopped at 6 because it stopped being easily formatted and I am not a fan of either conference so it isn't worth my time), The Big Twelve has had 45 bowl games and the Big Whatever has had 43 (with one less team in the conference).  Fairly even, but we know how College Football is and how the bigger conferences get 6,7 or sometimes 8 teams in becasue they tend to fill the seats.  The Big Twelve was 23 - 22 over this time while the Big Ten was  18 - 25 (big disparity in 2008-9 when the Big Ten went 1-6 with only Iowa winning.  1-6, really?  Yikers.
Now - if you adjust that and take both Colorado and Nebraska out of the mix - you get a final of 38 total bowl games for the Big 12 (Nebraska and Colorado participated in 7 in 6 years) and a record of  19-19 (Nebraska won 3 of 4 and Colorado one 1 of 3).  So The big Twelve moves from a conference that is playing .511 to .500.  Now, that is over only 6 years.  There was a time in the not too distant past that Nebraska dominated and that time MAY be resurging. 

Basically, it seems to me from the outside, that what has happened here has, in the long run, benefited only Texas as the dominate team in the Big 12 - and in the short run, at least, made them a part of a conferenece that will be easily dismissed  - by analysts and fans, at least - as a conference with a couplke of bullys and a bunch of little sisters.  I also think that saying that the other teams will still get their share from the congerence on bowls has to be looked at as they won't have as big a shot at getting into as many bowls - especially with the likes of ISU and such. 
It somehow seems penny-wise and pound foolish to me (again, from the outside). 
BTW -anyone seen any forecasts on the number of viewers a channel that shows only Texas sports gets?  I would be curious about that (anectdotal "Texas has more fans than any other school" stories aside. 

mr2tony - 2010-06-15 1:35 PM Texas will win the Big XII every single year now, with the exception of the rare year that OU does or some upstart team pulls off a miracle. So, yeah, nothing's changed. Nebraska was the only team that had the consistency to possibly challenge and beat Texas, which I think they will in October, and now that they're gone, who will represent the north? Let's figure the options: Kansas State? Without Bill Snyder they're a doormat, and he ain't gettin' any younger. Kansas? It's a basketball school. Wave the wheat at Phog, kids. Iowa State? It's still Iowa State. And it's in Ames. They pull of the occasional miracle win but still suck. Missouri? This is the only team that might have a prayer of being even a remote competitor. But c'mon, Mizzou-Texas? Move OU to the North? That's an option. Then it'll be OU-UT every year in the championship game. Oooh. Dramaless and boooring. This isn't surgery to fix the problem. This is a pill to delay the inevitable. The Big XII won't last.