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2010-07-27 12:36 AM

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I am sure that every one noticed that Andy lost by 39 sec.  The same amount of time he dropped to Alberto when he threw his chain.  So here it the hypothetical, Alberto waits and they finish the stage with Andy up 8 sec.  They turn their same times in the TT and they go into the final stage tied.  Does it simply come down to a sprint to the finish? With that in mind as good as they are, they can’t compete with Mark, so how does it work, whoever passes line first in the pack? Second questions has anything like this every happened before?

2010-07-27 1:54 AM
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I understand that the Prologue and ITT stages are timed to the hundreth of a second so the times are not exactly the same.

This happened to Lance after the TTT in last year's Tour.


2010-07-27 1:08 PM
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Time trials are by the hundredth of a second, as just mentioned, so that should take care of it.  If that somehow were tied up, they would add up the places the two riders finished in all the stages.  If that were somehow still tied up, it would be whoever crossed the line first on the last stage.

2010-07-28 12:12 PM
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This hypothetical assumes that they also finished the two intervening stages together.  I suspect if Schleck had still been in yellow, Tourmalet would have gone very differently--I expect Contador would have attacked more, and it's likely he would have either cracked Andy or himself in the process.  As it was, Berto had the luxury of just staying with Andy and figuring he could either hold or extend his lead in the TT.

2010-07-28 5:49 PM
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tjh - 2010-07-28 11:12 AM

This hypothetical assumes that they also finished the two intervening stages together.  I suspect if Schleck had still been in yellow, Tourmalet would have gone very differently--I expect Contador would have attacked more, and it's likely he would have either cracked Andy or himself in the process.  As it was, Berto had the luxury of just staying with Andy and figuring he could either hold or extend his lead in the TT.



This is what I think also. Tactics may have been different on the Tourmalet stage unless Contador felt confident he would overcome those :31 in the TT.

Also:
"In the event of a tie in the general ranking, the hundredth of a second recorded by the timekeepers during the individual time trial stages will be included in the total times in order to decide the overall winner and who takes the yellow jersey. If a tie should still result from this, then the places achieved for each stage are added up and, as a last resort, the place obtained in the final stage is counted."


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2010-07-29 6:19 PM
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the mechanical was big but andy had already lost too much time to that point. he gave conto 42 seconds in the opening 10k? prologue, with that said he would have held onto yellow by 3 seconds even after the mechanical.

2010-08-04 3:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Question/Hypothetical on Alberto waiting for Andy
No opinion because I agree with there are too many variables to even guess but I am blown away with how an event this long can come down to seconds. 

So, when they begin finishing, do they get the same time so they are not killing one another in the last 100 meters?
2010-08-04 10:28 PM
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Pector55 - 2010-08-04 1:58 PM No opinion because I agree with there are too many variables to even guess but I am blown away with how an event this long can come down to seconds. 

So, when they begin finishing, do they get the same time so they are not killing one another in the last 100 meters?

I think that's about it.  Picture the chaos of your typical bunch sprint finish.  Now imagine 150 guys doing it at the same time...

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tjh - 2010-08-04 11:28 PM

Pector55 - 2010-08-04 1:58 PM No opinion because I agree with there are too many variables to even guess but I am blown away with how an event this long can come down to seconds. 

So, when they begin finishing, do they get the same time so they are not killing one another in the last 100 meters?

I think that's about it.  Picture the chaos of your typical bunch sprint finish.  Now imagine 150 guys doing it at the same time...



Yeah, that's a lot of head butting!  Laughing
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