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2010-07-30 2:07 PM
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Subject: RE: Light wheels or arodynamic?
Any other recommendations about wheels to check out in the $600/wheelset range? 

Road Phoenix - 2010-07-30 2:51 PM
If you buy carbon 404's they will be both aero and lighter than your run of the mill clinchers. 


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2010-07-30 2:23 PM
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bschorr - 2010-07-29 1:18 PM

An aero helmet is a really good choice but I don't think it's going to save as much time, as an absolute value, as a set of Zipps. ... 


of course, I can't find the links right now, but I've read one set of test report data that indicated the helmet was about 4x better than a set of aero wheel, and another that showed it to be equivalent.

However- aero wheels are cool looking.  Riding around with a TT helmet looks way too geeky unless you're racing.  $1000 more to look cool?  You betcha'
2010-07-30 2:29 PM
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JohnnyKay - 2010-07-30 3:07 PM Any other recommendations about wheels to check out in the $600/wheelset range? 

Road Phoenix - 2010-07-30 2:51 PM
If you buy carbon 404's they will be both aero and lighter than your run of the mill clinchers. 


See a problem? 



Used ones.
2010-07-30 2:35 PM
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Road Phoenix - 2010-07-30 3:29 PM
JohnnyKay - 2010-07-30 3:07 PM Any other recommendations about wheels to check out in the $600/wheelset range? 

Road Phoenix - 2010-07-30 2:51 PM
If you buy carbon 404's they will be both aero and lighter than your run of the mill clinchers. 


See a problem? 



Used ones.


Fixed that for you.
2010-07-30 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Light wheels or arodynamic?
meherczeg - 2010-07-29 1:47 PM 250 g is about half a pound.  Go #2 before you ride and get the aero wheels.


why does it always eventually come back to going #2?
2010-07-31 7:17 AM
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JohnnyKay - 2010-07-30 3:35 PM
Road Phoenix - 2010-07-30 3:29 PM
JohnnyKay - 2010-07-30 3:07 PM Any other recommendations about wheels to check out in the $600/wheelset range? 

Road Phoenix - 2010-07-30 2:51 PM
If you buy carbon 404's they will be both aero and lighter than your run of the mill clinchers. 


See a problem? 



Used broken ones.


Fixed that for you.



More accurate?
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2010-07-31 7:38 AM
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eggraid101 - 2010-07-29 2:46 PM They'd be for training and racing both, and they'd be for tris and road riding both, too.  A do-it-all wheelset, right? 

Oops, you're right, I had pulled up the Cosmic Elites that are 30mm, the Ksyrium are 22/25 mm depth. 

I had some old Mavic Cosmic something-or-other that were fairly deep - 50-60mm I'd guess.  I've lost 3 eyelets on those wheels, so I think they're done for.  They were fine, any comparable wheels you can think of?


It sounds like you have Cosmic Carbones. If you can get them repaired I would. They are great wheels for training and racing. Zipp makes great wheels but are very expensive. Similar wheels are available at Planet-x and Renn at a much lower cost. I train on the heaviest non-aero wheels I own and do a good bit of my training in the mountains. When I race, I use a lighter, aero wheel and can feel the difference.
2010-07-31 8:08 AM
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Soul 4.0 clinchers for the win


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2010-07-31 11:18 AM
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2010-08-02 8:52 AM
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AngeloS - 2010-07-30 3:37 PM
meherczeg - 2010-07-29 1:47 PM 250 g is about half a pound.  Go #2 before you ride and get the aero wheels.


why does it always eventually come back to going #2?


I'm disappointed it's only a half a pound. I could swear it was closer to 2 or 3 on race day.
2010-08-02 8:58 AM
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bctri21 - 2010-07-31 12:18 PM Depends on where you are racing. At IM St. George this year lots of guys showed up with deep dish wheels and simply put they suffered. If you are spending lots of time on hills or rollers, I would go light. Rolf makes great wheels that are aero and light, but they aren't deep like Zipps, etc. I have passed plenty of guys mashing up hills with their deep wheels. Unless you live in the flatlands and plan on racing on the flats, I would go with the lightest aero wheels within your budget.


Unless you do a lot of long, uphill time trials, I would go with the most aero wheels you can.  Weight is not as big a penalty as many think it is.


2010-08-02 8:59 AM
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JohnnyKay - 2010-08-02 7:58 AM

bctri21 - 2010-07-31 12:18 PM Depends on where you are racing. At IM St. George this year lots of guys showed up with deep dish wheels and simply put they suffered. If you are spending lots of time on hills or rollers, I would go light. Rolf makes great wheels that are aero and light, but they aren't deep like Zipps, etc. I have passed plenty of guys mashing up hills with their deep wheels. Unless you live in the flatlands and plan on racing on the flats, I would go with the lightest aero wheels within your budget.


Unless you do a lot of long, uphill time trials, I would go with the most aero wheels you can.  Weight is not as big a penalty as many think it is.


Yeah, and how in the world can you determine that people with deeper rims are working hareder than you?
2010-08-02 5:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Light wheels or arodynamic?
JohnnyKay - 2010-08-02 10:58 AM

Unless you do a lot of long, uphill time trials, I would go with the most aero wheels you can.  Weight is not as big a penalty as many think it is.


x2

Unless I am doing this TT, I am riding a deep front and disc (cover) rear

http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2010/pdf/altimetrie/alt_16.pdf

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2010-08-02 5:33 PM
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the bear - 2010-07-29 1:21 PM
bryancd - 2010-07-29 12:43 PMKind of depends. For training, you may want lighter if you do a lot of climbing. For racing you want aero all day.
Why would you want lighter for training? Isn't the old saying, "train heavy, race light?"


X2. I have a wheel that got a nail all the way through the tire, tube and rim. Stayed true though! Still ride that bad boy and I bet it weighs a ton.
2010-08-02 5:34 PM
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gsmacleod - 2010-07-29 4:45 PM
eggraid101 - 2010-07-29 3:46 PM

They'd be for training and racing both, and they'd be for tris and road riding both, too.  A do-it-all wheelset, right? 


IMO, the only criteria that you are looking for in a set of training wheels (even if they also serve as race wheels) is that they should be bombproof.  I would suggest a set of Ultegra hubs laced to Mavic Open Pro rims and you will have a wheelset that you never need to worry about.

They won't be aero or light but they will be reliable and you will get thousands of miles without a concern. 
Shane


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2010-08-02 5:44 PM
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bschorr - 2010-07-29 1:18 PM

An aero helmet is a really good choice but I don't think it's going to save as much time, as an absolute value, as a set of Zipps. ... 


of course, I can't find the links right now, but I've read one set of test report data that indicated the helmet was about 4x better than a set of aero wheel, and another that showed it to be equivalent.

However- aero wheels are cool looking.  Riding around with a TT helmet looks way too geeky unless you're racing.  $1000 more to look cool?  You betcha'


I'd be curious to see them if you do find the links.  I've seen a bunch of studies on it and I've never seen one that indicated that the helmet was even equally effective in time saved.  Most studies I've seen say the wheels are 2-4 times more effective.  But 10 times more expensive.


2010-08-02 8:55 PM
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Subject: RE: Light wheels or arodynamic?
Studies I've seen show that an aero helmet offers more aero bang for the buck, but not absolutely more aero. Considering wheels can cost ten times as much as a helmet, the wheels would have to be ten times as aero for that NOT to be true.
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