Annual Madcow Question (Page 2)
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2005-07-18 7:33 PM in reply to: #201459 |
SF Bay Area, Mountain View | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question now if it was a cone GIRL i'd make sure to be last and chat her up... |
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2005-07-18 8:05 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Veteran 298 San mateo | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question |
2005-07-18 8:13 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Extreme Veteran 557 | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question So yesterday was my first tri and I could picture your question coming into play...well not really. I was so last that the cones were gone and the bike racks were gone AND they had stopped the race clock and were keeping my time by hand. I was about 40 minutes after the next to last person! (I have a RR up if you are at all interested) With that being said, if the guy who was next to last had been there with me and held back to keep me going...there is no way I would want him to cross last! And yes, I think there is great honor in finishing last...at least there was for me. Of course that doesn't mean that I always WANT to be last! |
2005-07-18 8:25 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Elite 3201 South Florida | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Having been DFL in my first race a few weeks ago (see my new avatar - my glorious finish) I now know it isn't all that bad. So, if I came upon this situation I would a) be so proud of myself that I was maybe able to beat someone then b) probably do the run side by side thing. I think it would be nice to cross together. Edited by MomX3 2005-07-18 8:27 PM |
2005-07-18 8:31 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Elite Veteran 781 | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question I would let the first-timer finish before me. For several reasons, really. The first is that if I were second from the last/last place at a race, something happened (like a flat or I was sick or something) and it wasn't my day. Notice that I didn't say last on the bike leg because that is pretty close to the truth, but lately I've been able to catch and pass lots of folks on the run. I remember one of my fears at my first tri was finishing last. In the end, I finished last in my AG, but there were a few folks who finished later than I did. My first tri wasn't particularly fun (undertrained, and riding a MTN bike on a windy day) and I'm not sure if I would have stuck with the sport if I was DFL. So, if they couldn't beat me honestly, I'd let them have it. But, it wouldn't be in an obvious, condescending way. I'd claim a side stitch and wish them luck while clutching my side. |
2005-07-18 8:33 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Veteran 294 MO | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question I hate being "allowed" to win -- it's meaningless unless you earn it. If someone just hands you, while you're sitting at your desk one day, a first-place ribbon, does that mean anything to you? Of course not! I'd rather be DFL and know that I tried my best and gave it my all, and had a fair race, than be next to last and know that the guy behind me LET me win -- ugh. Edit -- and this is for all you RDs out there: hold the cone guy back a little, please! It sucks to feel like everyone's waiting impatiently and irritatedly for you to finish so they can clean up the course and go home. Waiting five more minutes to collect the cones isn't going to kill you! Edited by Angie 2005-07-18 8:37 PM |
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2005-07-18 9:01 PM in reply to: #201735 |
SF Bay Area, Mountain View | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question If someone just hands you, while you're sitting at your desk one day, a first-place ribbon, does that mean anything to you? Of course not! that's not quite the same. assume that you are running the Western States 100. do you think that i'ts about position for the ones that come in last? no, it's about finishing. and for me, that's what counts. unless you might be among the first 10, what does it really matter? you did your best. and if, as the original question stated your positioned last and second to last and you can't give someone the satisfaction to not come in last if it matters for him/her and that persons spectators you're just a bad loser. i'd rather be Dead Last and have at least someone feel good than be second to Dead Last and make feel everybody like shit. |
2005-07-18 9:13 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Elite Veteran 781 | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Heh, Angie, could you PM me the races where people give away the first place position? I think I'm running the wrong races. My take is the question deals with being the second from the last or last racer in a tri, and the person you're racing with is a first-timer. I'm totally acting my way into a last place finish (side stitch, hamstring cramps, calf cramps, whatever). The first timers ego may be strong enough to handle it, but I'm not taking any chances. I want the first timer to be a second timer, and he or she might take great strength by knowing that they weren't dead last at their very first race, ever. They beat somebody. Isn't that why Sally Edwards promises to end each Danskin race last?* *I'm going on memory about Sally Edwards. If I have the details wrong, my apologies. |
2005-07-18 9:18 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Sprint to the finish line and see who comes in 1st. I rather prefer to give it my best shot and EARN the last place, rather than someone LETTING me finish ahead of him/her. After all, I am not trying to beat him/her, I am trying to round up all the hours I spent training. Edit -- and this is for all you RDs out there: hold the cone guy back a little, please! It sucks to feel like everyone's waiting impatiently and irritatedly for you to finish so they can clean up the course and go home. Waiting five more minutes to collect the cones isn't going to kill you! I'll make sure we don't do this at our race :) Edited by amiine 2005-07-18 9:20 PM |
2005-07-18 9:19 PM in reply to: #201765 |
Member 43 Blaine, Minnesota | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Don't leave out the before and after experience. If you let someone be last, their story instantly becomes "in my first race, i came in dead last, but since then, I've built up to come in ....." |
2005-07-18 9:25 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Master 2447 Marietta, Ga | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question If I'm Madcow, and the other person is Happycow, I'd wait and let her pass. Anyone else gets dropped like a hot stone. You gotta remember, the sweetie is the "bestthingthateverhappenedtoyouCow" and if she ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. |
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2005-07-18 9:32 PM in reply to: #201459 |
New user 117 Alberta(think texas with snow.) | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Depends. If its a friend , I'd kick and make him eat my dust. If I've just met the person, I'd go with finish together. Since I'm having the worst race of my life and sitting at the back, kicking to beat one person seems pretty damn trivial. I'd cross together, exchange a hug(and if shes a looker, hopefully phone numbers) walk over to my family and go get some bananas. Wouldn't let him or her win though, I'd match their kick |
2005-07-18 9:37 PM in reply to: #201459 |
Expert 623 Wye Mills, MD | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Almost similar kind of thing happened at my last race. I usually sprint across the finish line, grabbing as many valuable seconds that I can (making sure that I am firmly ensconced in the exact middle of the pack). Well there is a guy ahead of me who is cruising to the finish line, then he stops, picks up his kid (~2-3 y/o) out of the crowd to carry across the finish line. I thought, "It's his moment and he doesn't need somebody busting past him at the last second." His wife was probably taking pictures... so, I backed off and let him finish ahead of me. (He wasn't in my age group anyway). |
2005-07-19 12:01 AM in reply to: #201459 |
Elite 2468 Racine, WI | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question I would probably kick with the person and cross either with or half a step behind them. If I'm that close to last in the race, at least I'd still get to go home feeling like I was the person I want to be. I'd pace with them and make them earn it tho! |
2005-07-19 6:56 AM in reply to: #201459 |
Extreme Veteran 323 Kochi, Japan | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Kick it in hard and stop just before the finish to tie my shoe, wait for them to pull almost even, then cross just before them while doing my best evil laugh. And I mean e-veeel like the fru-eets of the dev-eel. WHAAAA-HAAA-HAAAA |
2005-07-19 10:23 AM in reply to: #201769 |
Veteran 123 San Diego, CA | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Motivated! Smart man! Great answer. |
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2005-07-19 10:34 AM in reply to: #201459 |
Elite 3020 Bay Area, CA | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question As a person who has come in last more than once, if I knew the person was going to have a mental breakdown from coming in last, then I'd let them go first (or cross the line together), cause in the end it is all about fun, and it's not like there's a big prize or anything for coming in 2nd to last. For me though, I know I don't want somebody to "let" me be first, cause that totally ruins the accomplishment of actually being faster than somebody. So, since in this scenario the person is starting to kick it in, I would too and we would race to the finish. Let the best triathlete win! |
2005-07-19 11:17 AM in reply to: #201459 |
Pro 5153 Helena, MT | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question I'd say "Let's race!" and take off. That way, whoevers got a little more left gets through first and neither of us has to feel bad about it. |
2005-07-19 11:29 AM in reply to: #202216 |
Expert 666 St. Thomas, ON | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question As someone who finishes at the back of the pack on a regular basis, I'm sprinting the last 200 yards. Keep up with me or get dropped. At my first sprint I passed a girl in my age group in the last 200 yards. On Sunday, I passed a guy with about 50 yards to go. He just didn't have anything left. Afterwards he was ribbin' me. "You just couldn't let me stay ahead huh?" It was all in fun, and in reality, he was almost 4 minutes ahead of me time-wise. At a running race a couple of weeks ago (a 5/10k affair) I ran for the first 2.5 miles with a girl who was doing the 10k. At one point she said "go ahead, I need to slow down". I teamed up with another lady doing the 5k a few minutes later. I would have been happy to run to the finish with her (or at least until the final sprint), but she said "I can feel you pushing the pace, go, get a good time", so I did. I don't want anyone letting me win, no matter how much I look like I need it. |
2005-07-19 11:38 AM in reply to: #201494 |
Extreme Veteran 382 Quebec City | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question T in Liberty Lake - 2005-07-18 4:02 PM They can have the glory of beating the cone guy, I'm kicking their ass. HEHEHE I SECOND THAT! |
2005-07-19 11:48 AM in reply to: #201459 |
Expert 680 NC Illinois | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question If I am one of the last two people on the course, I doubt I would really care if I finished last or next to last. I'd most likely just want to get it over and get off the course and get back to work so that I can be certain I won't be the last two on the course. I would have no problem with letting the person beat me. The feeling of "I'm such a good person for letting them win" would be greatly overshadowed by the thoughts of "Dude, you were one of the last two people on the course". For me and my personal situation, that would not be a good thing. I would congratulate the person on their finish, buy em a beer/beverage, make a friend, go home, and start working on improvement. ------------------------------ As a side, there was a funny thread/pic on Slowtwitch awhile ago about a guy that went slow entire IM and then sprinted the last few 100 yards to make it "look good". IMO, if you can sprint the last yardage ... you weren't going hard enough to begin with. The thread was started by a guy who had their pic taken as this fellow was passing them while wearing a (quote) "shit-eatin' grin". The thread (and pic) was hilarious. Edited by TripleThreat 2005-07-19 11:51 AM |
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2005-07-19 11:54 AM in reply to: #201459 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Annual Madcow Question Personally, I would hate to feel like someone let me get ahead of them. So, I guess that I would do the best that I can and assume that the other person is going to also. That being said, there are always exceptions and I can certainly see situations where I might not adhere to that. It would largely depend on the situation. |
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