I'm curious about "hiking in Iran"
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2010-09-15 9:25 AM |
Master 2277 Lake Norman, NC | Subject: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" So yay, Sarah Shourd has been freed from jail. That's good. ... But one thing has been bugging me since the three were first arrested. A question that I never seem to have ever seen the answer to. Maybe COJ knows... What the fark were they doing hiking along the Iraq-Iran border to begin with?! Who chooses to hike in one of the most dangerous and politically contested areas in the world? I would think Iranian authorities would be the LEAST of their concerns. Armed insurgents, bandits, drug smugglers... There's probably a whole host of reasons not to be hiking in that area. It's like saying, "let's go camping in south-central LA or Helmand Province, Afghanistan." Did they live there? I could think of a thousand other places on this planet that would be a better place to hike. I hate to say it - but for that reason alone, I could see why Iranian security people could be suspicious that they could be spies. Who would be in a place like that "hiking"? |
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2010-09-15 9:33 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" I completely agree and think they're lucky to even be alive. The `thrill factor,' if indeed they aren't actually spies, is overrated. Use your brains, idiots! |
2010-09-15 9:36 AM in reply to: #3099648 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Spies. |
2010-09-15 9:44 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Hikers... yeah, rrrriiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.... |
2010-09-15 10:04 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Bigfuzzydoug - 2010-09-15 10:25 AM So yay, Sarah Shourd has been freed from jail. That's good. ... But one thing has been bugging me since the three were first arrested. A question that I never seem to have ever seen the answer to. Maybe COJ knows... What the fark were they doing hiking along the Iraq-Iran border to begin with?! Who chooses to hike in one of the most dangerous and politically contested areas in the world? I would think Iranian authorities would be the LEAST of their concerns. Armed insurgents, bandits, drug smugglers... There's probably a whole host of reasons not to be hiking in that area. It's like saying, "let's go camping in south-central LA or Helmand Province, Afghanistan." Did they live there? I could think of a thousand other places on this planet that would be a better place to hike. I hate to say it - but for that reason alone, I could see why Iranian security people could be suspicious that they could be spies. Who would be in a place like that "hiking"? That is the very first thought I had when I first heard the story on the new. Hiking? In Iran? What, the Appalachian trail's not good enough for you? |
2010-09-15 10:15 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Master 2277 Lake Norman, NC | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" I'm not hating on America here, but... I'm also curious as to how the mainstream US media is handling this. Liberal (MSNBC, CNN) and conservative (Fox) media outlets call them "hikers" and talk in their reporting, implying that they're being unjustly held and the Iranian regime is the "bad guy" in all this. Let's say a trio of Venezuelan "hikers" were hiking along the Rio Grande River and found themselves on the US-side of the border. They're picked up by the US border patrol/INS and held in detention for 14 months awaiting legal status and/or criminal charges for drug smuggling or spying. And this story is different because... It just feels like our media is avoiding this one big question: Why the fark were they there to begin with?! |
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2010-09-15 10:16 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
2010-09-15 10:24 AM in reply to: #3099776 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Bigfuzzydoug - 2010-09-15 10:15 AM I'm not hating on America here, but... I'm also curious as to how the mainstream US media is handling this. Liberal (MSNBC, CNN) and conservative (Fox) media outlets call them "hikers" and talk in their reporting, implying that they're being unjustly held and the Iranian regime is the "bad guy" in all this. Let's say a trio of Venezuelan "hikers" were hiking along the Rio Grande River and found themselves on the US-side of the border. They're picked up by the US border patrol/INS and held in detention for 14 months awaiting legal status and/or criminal charges for drug smuggling or spying. And this story is different because... It just feels like our media is avoiding this one big question: Why the fark were they there to begin with?! Let's say for about two seconds that they're not working for the government (which I think they are): As Americans, we have this sense of entitlement. We feel that our freedoms and our laws are applicable worldwide and that it is our RIGHT to go hike those mountains because we are FREEEEEEE! Yay. Wonderful. Great. Until the Iranian Secret Police come and take your butt to jail for a couple years. |
2010-09-15 10:27 AM in reply to: #3099751 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" mrbbrad - 2010-09-15 11:04 AM Bigfuzzydoug - 2010-09-15 10:25 AM So yay, Sarah Shourd has been freed from jail. That's good. ... But one thing has been bugging me since the three were first arrested. A question that I never seem to have ever seen the answer to. Maybe COJ knows... What the fark were they doing hiking along the Iraq-Iran border to begin with?! Who chooses to hike in one of the most dangerous and politically contested areas in the world? I would think Iranian authorities would be the LEAST of their concerns. Armed insurgents, bandits, drug smugglers... There's probably a whole host of reasons not to be hiking in that area. It's like saying, "let's go camping in south-central LA or Helmand Province, Afghanistan." Did they live there? I could think of a thousand other places on this planet that would be a better place to hike. I hate to say it - but for that reason alone, I could see why Iranian security people could be suspicious that they could be spies. Who would be in a place like that "hiking"? That is the very first thought I had when I first heard the story on the new. Hiking? In Iran? What, the Appalachian trail's not good enough for you? Not everyone likes South America. I dated a former Delta operator. Have a friend who was shot while hiking in an Eastern European country. They had/have civilian cover stories/lives (my friend, an Army colonel, who I went to high school is, INSRL, a Canadian). So, yeah, I'm skeptical about the hikers' story. Looking at their photos, I don't see fear or anxiety in their eyes. I see a kind of blankness, a veil. Edited by Renee 2010-09-15 10:32 AM |
2010-09-15 10:30 AM in reply to: #3099815 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Renee - 2010-09-15 11:27 AM mrbbrad - 2010-09-15 11:04 AM Bigfuzzydoug - 2010-09-15 10:25 AM So yay, Sarah Shourd has been freed from jail. That's good. ... But one thing has been bugging me since the three were first arrested. A question that I never seem to have ever seen the answer to. Maybe COJ knows... What the fark were they doing hiking along the Iraq-Iran border to begin with?! Who chooses to hike in one of the most dangerous and politically contested areas in the world? I would think Iranian authorities would be the LEAST of their concerns. Armed insurgents, bandits, drug smugglers... There's probably a whole host of reasons not to be hiking in that area. It's like saying, "let's go camping in south-central LA or Helmand Province, Afghanistan." Did they live there? I could think of a thousand other places on this planet that would be a better place to hike. I hate to say it - but for that reason alone, I could see why Iranian security people could be suspicious that they could be spies. Who would be in a place like that "hiking"? That is the very first thought I had when I first heard the story on the new. Hiking? In Iran? What, the Appalachian trail's not good enough for you? Not everyone likes South America. If that's a joke, it's way too subtle for me |
2010-09-15 10:33 AM in reply to: #3099827 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" mrbbrad - 2010-09-15 11:30 AM Renee - 2010-09-15 11:27 AM mrbbrad - 2010-09-15 11:04 AM Bigfuzzydoug - 2010-09-15 10:25 AM So yay, Sarah Shourd has been freed from jail. That's good. ... But one thing has been bugging me since the three were first arrested. A question that I never seem to have ever seen the answer to. Maybe COJ knows... What the fark were they doing hiking along the Iraq-Iran border to begin with?! Who chooses to hike in one of the most dangerous and politically contested areas in the world? I would think Iranian authorities would be the LEAST of their concerns. Armed insurgents, bandits, drug smugglers... There's probably a whole host of reasons not to be hiking in that area. It's like saying, "let's go camping in south-central LA or Helmand Province, Afghanistan." Did they live there? I could think of a thousand other places on this planet that would be a better place to hike. I hate to say it - but for that reason alone, I could see why Iranian security people could be suspicious that they could be spies. Who would be in a place like that "hiking"? That is the very first thought I had when I first heard the story on the new. Hiking? In Iran? What, the Appalachian trail's not good enough for you? Not everyone likes South America. If that's a joke, it's way too subtle for me Sorry. But if I explain the joke, it just won't be funny for the rest of us. (Connect the dots from the AT .... a specific country in SA.) |
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2010-09-15 10:44 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Elite 3090 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" I think they're just stupid hikers, not spies. I mean really, what kind of intelligence could they gather hiking around in the middle of nowhere that our satellites couldn't already pick up? |
2010-09-15 10:45 AM in reply to: #3099835 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Renee - 2010-09-15 11:33 AM mrbbrad - 2010-09-15 11:30 AM Renee - 2010-09-15 11:27 AM mrbbrad - 2010-09-15 11:04 AM Bigfuzzydoug - 2010-09-15 10:25 AM So yay, Sarah Shourd has been freed from jail. That's good. ... But one thing has been bugging me since the three were first arrested. A question that I never seem to have ever seen the answer to. Maybe COJ knows... What the fark were they doing hiking along the Iraq-Iran border to begin with?! Who chooses to hike in one of the most dangerous and politically contested areas in the world? I would think Iranian authorities would be the LEAST of their concerns. Armed insurgents, bandits, drug smugglers... There's probably a whole host of reasons not to be hiking in that area. It's like saying, "let's go camping in south-central LA or Helmand Province, Afghanistan." Did they live there? I could think of a thousand other places on this planet that would be a better place to hike. I hate to say it - but for that reason alone, I could see why Iranian security people could be suspicious that they could be spies. Who would be in a place like that "hiking"? That is the very first thought I had when I first heard the story on the new. Hiking? In Iran? What, the Appalachian trail's not good enough for you? Not everyone likes South America. If that's a joke, it's way too subtle for me Sorry. But if I explain the joke, it just won't be funny for the rest of us. (Connect the dots from the AT .... a specific country in SA.) Does it involve a certain US southern state elected official? |
2010-09-15 10:50 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Extreme Veteran 3177 | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" From what I have heard/garnered they were following a route from some European guidebook (the empty planet or something like that) and apparently at one point before all heck erupted in the area that was a pretty popular spot for people from Europe to hike/travel. old guidebook + Americans with no common sense and you get them being arrested as spies. Just my thoughts but I like to believe the best in people and that they were just captured as an honest mistake. |
2010-09-15 10:51 AM in reply to: #3099860 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" zed707 - 2010-09-15 11:44 AM I think they're just stupid hikers, not spies. I mean really, what kind of intelligence could they gather hiking around in the middle of nowhere that our satellites couldn't already pick up? Not spies. Operators. Big difference. |
2010-09-15 10:55 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Pro 4277 Parker, CO | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" I really don't know why they would have chosen to hike in that part of the world. as someone else mentioned...what would they be able to find that we don't already know? but I don't believe them to be spies. I just looked at it as some kids using poor judgement. |
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2010-09-15 10:56 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Expert 838 West Palm Beach, FL | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" My thought is that they are a bunch of naive hippies who were working under the misconception that the baddies in rural war-torn areas are really nice if you just get a chance to know them. Oooops. |
2010-09-15 11:00 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Extreme Veteran 590 | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" I saw Spies Like Us with Chevy Chase and have decided that they may be spies, and not even know it. |
2010-09-15 11:09 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Extreme Veteran 513 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Why wouldn't they go hiking? They were on vacation. They were visiting Iraq Kurdistan, not Iran, and that area is actually very safe and quite popular with tourists. The fourth member of the group, who skipped the hike due to illness, has said in interviews that they were planning to visit Ahmed Awa, which is a very popular mountainous spot with a famous waterfall. They were recommended this place by taxi drivers, other tourists, hostel employees... and nobody warned them of danger due to proximity with Iran's border (although the Ahmed Awa area is definitely right on the border of the two countries). They mistakenly crossed the border while hiking, and then were picked up as we know of. From the viewpoint of a traveler, a hiker, a young person who likes to see the world... I can understand these people simply going for a hike that went very wrong. Why must they be spies? |
2010-09-15 11:12 AM in reply to: #3099927 |
Master 2380 Beijing | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" MultisportMinistries - 2010-09-14 12:00 PM I saw Spies Like Us with Chevy Chase and have decided that they may be spies, and not even know it. Agreed. The "real" GLG-20s are out there somewhere. If Iran thought these people were any sort of agent/operator from the US, they would not be letting any of them go. |
2010-09-15 11:12 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Champion 5868 Urbandale, IA | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" Renee is right. These people are Operators. Believe me, this is one thing I know about. The difference is that Operators cary out tasks like placing things in areas that they are wanted or eliminating things from those areas. Spies observe and report. Don't believe everything you read or see on TV. There is no Jason Bourne. |
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2010-09-15 11:17 AM in reply to: #3099979 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" moondawg14 - 2010-09-15 12:12 PM MultisportMinistries - 2010-09-14 12:00 PM I saw Spies Like Us with Chevy Chase and have decided that they may be spies, and not even know it. Agreed. The "real" GLG-20s are out there somewhere. I'm pretty sure it's a dickfer |
2010-09-15 11:24 AM in reply to: #3099609 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" I think they were just being stupid and narcissistic in their approach to the world - "I'm young and American! What bad things could POSSIBLY happen to me?" I think it is always important to look at the little details. There was recently a tragedy locally where a 15 year old was beaten and shot to death for his sneakers by a couple of 19 year olds. While I don't condone their actions, I had to wonder why the 15 year old (and his two friends) were walking around at 1:30 in the morning on a school night. In a town with (a) significant violence - drugs and gangs mostly; and (b) a curfew for adolescents of 10 or 11 PM. To me, the focus on Iran holding those kids for the last year is the same kind of thing - overlooking the obvious question "What were you doing THERE at THAT time?" |
2010-09-15 11:27 AM in reply to: #3100025 |
Extreme Veteran 861 Northbridge, Massachusetts | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" gearboy - 2010-09-15 9:24 AM I think they were just being stupid and narcissistic in their approach to the world - "I'm young and American! What bad things could POSSIBLY happen to me?" I think it is always important to look at the little details. There was recently a tragedy locally where a 15 year old was beaten and shot to death for his sneakers by a couple of 19 year olds. While I don't condone their actions, I had to wonder why the 15 year old (and his two friends) were walking around at 1:30 in the morning on a school night. In a town with (a) significant violence - drugs and gangs mostly; and (b) a curfew for adolescents of 10 or 11 PM. To me, the focus on Iran holding those kids for the last year is the same kind of thing - overlooking the obvious question "What were you doing THERE at THAT time?" I agree. My husband and I were saying the same thing this morning while listening to the news. My bigger concern is that they have now set the "price" for an American hostage. I think it puts humanitarian aid workers at even greater risk. |
2010-09-15 11:28 AM in reply to: #3099981 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: I'm curious about "hiking in Iran" jdwright56 - 2010-09-16 12:12 AM Renee is right. These people are Operators. Believe me, this is one thing I know about. The difference is that Operators cary out tasks like placing things in areas that they are wanted or eliminating things from those areas. Spies observe and report. Don't believe everything you read or see on TV. There is no Jason Bourne. Maybe maybe. Still, I'd have to agree with moondawg that if any shred or ounce of suspicion whatsoever remained with the Iranians that these kids were operators, they would *not* be let go. I actually think they're so colossally stupid that the Iranians realized it, too. |
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