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2010-09-24 11:36 AM

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OK, been riding a whole three months here and working hard to to build up skills for a group ride.  So let me just throw this out there.  If all the tri's I will ever do are "drafting illegal" then what's the benefit of a group ride?  I hear about how roadies are pretty snobby, and I see some of that at my LBS, but from what I've read and people I've talked to, it's all about getting to that group ride setting and hammering each other.  

I realize you're gonna get some value from training with them because of the competition that pushes you to train harder, but in the end, is learning how to ride with a group gonna benefit me when all my races will be "TT" style?     


2010-09-24 11:41 AM
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NewDiz - 2010-09-24 11:36 AM OK, been riding a whole three months here and working hard to to build up skills for a group ride.  So let me just throw this out there.  If all the tri's I will ever do are "drafting illegal" then what's the benefit of a group ride?  I hear about how roadies are pretty snobby, and I see some of that at my LBS, but from what I've read and people I've talked to, it's all about getting to that group ride setting and hammering each other.  

I realize you're gonna get some value from training with them because of the competition that pushes you to train harder, but in the end, is learning how to ride with a group gonna benefit me when all my races will be "TT" style?     


IMO, 100%, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, you will be a better cyclist if you do some riding in groups that have people faster than you.  I don't understand the argument that because we race solo that we should train solo.

The goal is to increase your cycling fitness, and I've found the riding in a group will make me push myself harder than if I ride alone.  I also put in a lot more miles when I'm riding with groups regularly than when I ride alone.  I won't be very motivated to do an 80 mile ride by myself, but with a group I'm looking forward to that ride all week! 

Also, roadies are no more snobby than triathletes or any other group.  That's a myth...
2010-09-24 11:43 AM
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I am very new to riding.  After about three months of riding solo, I joined the LBS's weekly very beginner, no drop 30 mile ride.  It has been fantastic.  I know my riding skills have improved as a result of consistent long rides (for me), tips from the shop guys and other riders, being forced to focus on handling skills in a group & and having my pace pushed by others.  So, as a beginner, it has been a great benefit to me.  I would give it a shot and see if you like it.
2010-09-24 11:56 AM
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I like group rides because long solo rides are boring. It's also exciting to introduce new people to our sport.
2010-09-24 12:05 PM
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Your solo speed will improve a LOT more training with groups than trying to grind it out solo. Also, similar to motor pacing, getting comfortable with turning over a big gear, and going FASTER than you would in a race, goes a long way towards increasing your race speed.
2010-09-24 12:20 PM
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OK that makes sense, thanks.  I wuz thinking along the lines of what the miliatry says, i.e., train like you fight, or in this case, train like you race.  But it sounds like a group setting forces you to up your game, which is value-added, so I can see why it makes sense to do it.  



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briderdt - 2010-09-24 12:05 PM Your solo speed will improve a LOT more training with groups than trying to grind it out solo. Also, similar to motor pacing, getting comfortable with turning over a big gear, and going FASTER than you would in a race, goes a long way towards increasing your race speed.


Absolutely.  Once you get caught up in a paceline hitting 30mph on the flats you'll be looking forward to doing that again.   It is a great feeling.

I run and swim alone, but greatly prefer to ride in groups if possible.  Much more fun and I have gotten much stronger because of it.

And there is no rule you have to ride in a roadie group.  There are a huge amount of group rides built around triathletes.  I have ridden in both and both are well worth it.  The dynamics tend to be different, but both have improved my game, so to speak.

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NewDiz - 2010-09-24 12:20 PM OK that makes sense, thanks.  I wuz thinking along the lines of what the miliatry says, i.e., train like you fight, or in this case, train like you race.  But it sounds like a group setting forces you to up your game, which is value-added, so I can see why it makes sense to do it.  



There is almost always someone better than you (and usually much better than you) in every ride.   Improving every week and getting closer and closer to staying with them is huge motivation. 

Looking at my wattage files (Golden Cheetah rules) I can say with confidence that all my best wattage efforts for varying time periods all come during group rides rather than races.
2010-09-24 12:42 PM
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I don't do group ride for a few reasons, not the least of which is I really like the freedom and independence of being out alone on the road. One thing to consider is if you ride a tri bike or not. If you want to get comfortable riding on the aero bars you may be better off riding alone. Many groups do not appreciate riders on the aero bars and it is a bit harder to react well in a tight group setting. The more time spent riding in your aero position the more comfortable you'll feel. It doesn't seem like group riding is best for that.
2010-09-24 1:05 PM
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Agree with everything said so far.

If you only own a TT bike, check with the group if it's okay for you to ride with them.  Every group is different...never assume. 

I don't buy the "train how you race".  It holds some meaning, but people take it too literally.  If that was the case, we would never do intervals, we would never swim in pools, and we would never do any weight or resistance training.  It is important to make sure you are comfortable with the aspects of racing...but the goal of training is to simply make yourself stronger in a way that will allow you to race faster.


 
2010-09-24 1:14 PM
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I prefer the solo rides the most, It is my time to get away from everyone. i do enjoy having people if I am going to do a 40+ mi ride, but that is not very common, maybe few times a month. I tend to keep a good pace myself.


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tri808 - 2010-09-24 2:05 PM

Agree with everything said so far.

If you only own a TT bike, check with the group if it's okay for you to ride with them.  Every group is different...never assume. 

I don't buy the "train how you race".  It holds some meaning, but people take it too literally.  If that was the case, we would never do intervals, we would never swim in pools, and we would never do any weight or resistance training.  It is important to make sure you are comfortable with the aspects of racing...but the goal of training is to simply make yourself stronger in a way that will allow you to race faster.


 


This is a great post. I agree.
2010-09-25 6:25 AM
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I don't do very many group rides, just a handful a year, but they are always challenging and super fun.
2010-09-25 7:13 AM
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I love group rides.  Being part of a pack of 30 cyclists flying down the road is exhilarating.

I ride with a group that pushes my limits.  I park myself up front and pull for at least part of the ride so that I do not get used to always having someone block the wind because during races, that's not going to happen.
2010-09-25 8:30 AM
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Where I ride there are always guys who may pick up and pace line for awhile.  Yesterday on my long ride I picked up a drafter at mile 57 and then we flip/flopped pulling for 5 miles.  Pushed me much harder if I hadn't.  Similar to doing intervals.  Looking at my Garmin results it's very easy to see where this happened. 

The only disadvantage was when I was not pulling I was not on the aero's and part of my long ride training is getting used to be being in the aero's for a long periods of time. But I don't think I lost much for only 5 miles.
2010-09-25 1:47 PM
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Most bike shops and bike clubs offer group rides that come in all shapes and sizes... so you may not necessarily have to jump right into a group of hardcore road racers. Call the shop and ask. If you have a choice, pick an appropriate group that will push you but not be too much. If you get dropped... keep coming back for more until you are strong enough to finish the whole ride with the group... you'll earn respect for not giving up.


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This may be the obvious answer but do both. I ride much more solo than I used to because of my schedule, but I would say to do group rides(especially long ones) whenever possible. As it has already been well stated, the group rides will make you ride faster and improve your handling skills. So, when you ride solo you will notice the improvement.
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