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2010-09-30 3:18 PM
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Johners - 2010-09-30 2:32 PM People can have valid, but contrary opinions.


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2010-09-30 3:48 PM
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mrbbrad - 2010-09-30 12:58 PM

(Plus you misspelled bananas. Probably why you don't like them)


Hmmm, now that I know the correct spelling, they suddenly seem to taste better!



Another convert!!!!!

2010-09-30 5:08 PM
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robburkett - 2010-09-30 3:06 PM

If we're so concerned about gender equality, why isn't it called the Ironperson Championship?  That was only slightly tongue-in-cheek.

I don't have a problem with this guy running and winning the Disney Princess Half.  Were he a friend of mine I would ask him what his motivation was before I judged.  The problem I see with some of these comments is the assumptions made about why these guys run.  No one can guess at motivation so let's be fair and I think we can agree to the following:

Guys who run in fields comprised of mostly women in the hopes they will place higher - d-bags.  It's arrogance to think that a woman won't hand a guy his .  Kara Goucher in Chicago, 2009 anyone?

Men and women who strategically pick smaller venues to race in just so they can place higher - well, I'll just say that their priorities might need to be tweaked.  I guess one way to put is - what if you entered that smaller race and then on race day, you tanked, but still placed in the top 3?  Would you really be happy with that?  I think not.  I would argue that we are more about PR than anything else.  In events such as these, we are rewarded for speed, not for being able to slow everyone else down.  If that weren't the case, the rules would allow deflating someone else's tires in T1, right? 

As far as men's-only and women's-only...I'm satisfied with locker rooms and bathrooms being designated as such.  I don't discriminate (AFAIK) against women, so I have nothing to apologize for.  But if someone wants to organize a race to celebrate women, I'm all for it, and not just because I have daughter.

And if you don't think there aren't races that are geared towards men, I submit the Warrior Dash.  They don't exclude women, and it does present itself as being more masculine, IMHO.  And this is not to say that women can't be warriors, I'm merely speaking to the theme of the race.

I probably didn't add any value to the dialogue but felt the need to chime in, especially if we are shooting for 20 pages!



Rant on:
Because Ironman isn't gender specific any more than Human is...or Chairman for that matter. 
It is the "Chairman" of the Committee...not the "Chair" of the committee (which is what the man or woman in charge sits on).
Rant off

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2010-09-30 8:27 PM
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What I don't understand about this whole thing is.... WHO CARES?!?!?  Who cares if they have races that offer pink t-shirts and tiara finishers medals?

How can anyone look at something that targets a very large portion of the population and gets them to be active as anything but a great thing?  Who is going to discourage their sedentary family members, friends, coworkers, etc from doing a race because its "discriminatory?"  Are you freakin' kidding me????????

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2010-09-30 9:17 PM
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trinnas - 2010-09-30 8:38 AM

I am sorry but to be fair a large portion of the wage difference between men and women is due to women taking time out of the work force to focus on children.  More and More men are doing that these days and will be wage penalized just the same.


So I've chosen not to breed.  Does that mean I should sign a contract with my employer and they should pay me what they pay the sausages?

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2010-09-30 9:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Thoughts on man winning the Disney Princess Half Marathon
k_watzek - 2010-09-30 10:17 PM
trinnas - 2010-09-30 8:38 AM

I am sorry but to be fair a large portion of the wage difference between men and women is due to women taking time out of the work force to focus on children.  More and More men are doing that these days and will be wage penalized just the same.


So I've chosen not to breed.  Does that mean I should sign a contract with my employer and they should pay me what they pay the sausages?


Note the qualifiers next time before whipping out the sarcasm.  Also note the numbers used in these arguments are in the aggregate and may be different for different professions, times in life, regions of the country etc..

Yes there are other factors as well, including down right unfair wage practices but that is not the be all and end all. If one wants to have an honest discussion, looking at all of the aspects of wage differential is helpful, sarcasm not so much.



2010-09-30 11:19 PM
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well wages between 2 guys with the same experience and education will be different.  Just the way it is sometimes.  yes 85% less is bad I know people who gotten way more money than people who are more qualified at the same job. 

I had a job where I did the same job but I did 4x the work and got half the pay.  It happens.  filling in for the other guy was some of my best weeks though.  So easy compared to the normal work load.   

2010-09-30 11:48 PM
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chirunner134 - 2010-10-01 12:19 PM well wages between 2 guys with the same experience and education will be different.  Just the way it is sometimes.  yes 85% less is bad I know people who gotten way more money than people who are more qualified at the same job. 

I had a job where I did the same job but I did 4x the work and got half the pay.  It happens.  filling in for the other guy was some of my best weeks though.  So easy compared to the normal work load.   



Indeed, but here we are talking about the averages over large numbers of people ...

Consistently, even adjusting for factors like time off for childbirth, women consistently earn less than men in the same positions.

WHY this is, is the matter of debate. Is it discrimination, is it women not being proactive in negotiating/demanding higher wages ... all sorts of possibilities and combinations at play.
2010-10-01 7:52 AM
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triOK - 2010-09-30 9:27 PM What I don't understand about this whole thing is.... WHO CARES?!?!?  Who cares if they have races that offer pink t-shirts and tiara finishers medals?

How can anyone look at something that targets a very large portion of the population and gets them to be active as anything but a great thing?  Who is going to discourage their sedentary family members, friends, coworkers, etc from doing a race because its "discriminatory?"  Are you freakin' kidding me????????


I agree, and those are also my "thoughts on man winning the Disney Princess Half Marathon."
2010-10-01 8:34 AM
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k_watzek - 2010-09-30 10:17 PM

So I've chosen not to breed.  Does that mean I should sign a contract with my employer and they should pay me what they pay the sausages?


Oh sure, like some women in tight spandex don't look like sausages
2010-10-01 11:02 AM
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One last comment... The number of womens races and the staggering participation figures suggest that there is a HUGE market for these races. A race is a product and a smart RD will market his race to sell. Hosting womens races is not discrimination; its marketing. And that marketing is no different than that used to sell Axe deodorant, Ford F-150 trucks, or Hooters hot wings. They identify a population and target it to make a profit.


2010-10-01 11:11 AM
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triOK - 2010-10-01 11:02 AM One last comment... The number of womens races and the staggering participation figures suggest that there is a HUGE market for these races. A race is a product and a smart RD will market his race to sell. Hosting womens races is not discrimination; its marketing. And that marketing is no different than that used to sell Axe deodorant, Ford F-150 trucks, or Hooters hot wings. They identify a population and target it to make a profit.


My spider sense went tingly, and I was right!  "Hooters" was mentioned!
2010-10-01 5:33 PM
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triOK - 2010-10-01 9:02 AM One last comment... The number of womens races and the staggering participation figures suggest that there is a HUGE market for these races. A race is a product and a smart RD will market his race to sell. Hosting womens races is not discrimination; its marketing. And that marketing is no different than that used to sell Axe deodorant, Ford F-150 trucks, or Hooters hot wings. They identify a population and target it to make a profit.


So if it's marketing that makes it IMPOSSIBLE for it to be discrimination?

Interesting conclusion.
2010-10-01 6:41 PM
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Huh??!? I didn't say it couldn't be. I said in this case, its not. Just because something isn't meant for you doesn't mean its discrimination. Do you guys get all bent out of shape they don't make tampons for you too?
2010-10-01 6:47 PM
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triOK - 2010-10-01 6:41 PM Huh??!? I didn't say it couldn't be. I said in this case, its not. Just because something isn't meant for you doesn't mean its discrimination. Do you guys get all bent out of shape they don't make tampons for you too?


Wait, those aren't for guys?! I've made a huge mistake.
2010-10-01 7:45 PM
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triOK - 2010-10-01 6:41 PM Huh??!? I didn't say it couldn't be. I said in this case, its not. Just because something isn't meant for you doesn't mean its discrimination. Do you guys get all bent out of shape they don't make tampons for you too?


Tampons.  Suppositories.  What's the difference?


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triOK - 2010-10-01 4:41 PM Huh??!? I didn't say it couldn't be. I said in this case, its not. Just because something isn't meant for you doesn't mean its discrimination.


Well, if you say so, I guess that settles it.
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