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2010-10-07 3:07 PM in reply to: #3138922 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? titeloops - 2010-10-07 2:21 PM You'll probably be fine, not fast, but fine. Glad its you not me. I'd be pooping a brick! I did the same thing last year for Louisville and I swam a 1:24 and felt like I had not done anything when i got out. i'm not nervous or worried about how i feel because a 1:20 IM swim for me (without hardly swimming at all during the year) is easy and doesn't fatigue me. I do a lot of pushups, dips and shoulder exercises during the year so its no biggie. My whole point to this question really was wondering if anyone else swims a few time the month leading up to the IM swim and not much else. Due mainly to more time on the bike and run or because they are fine with their swim time where it is. I do plan on trying to get better for my 2012 IM. But i went from avg of 18mph on the bike for IM to around 20mph in one year. And thats 20mph and still feeling good. |
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2010-10-07 3:41 PM in reply to: #3137794 |
Member 63 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. |
2010-10-07 3:58 PM in reply to: #3139149 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-08 4:41 AM Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. Anything below the swim cutoff and part of a complete breakfast that's 17:00 or under, whether painful or not, works for a lot of people. |
2010-10-07 4:01 PM in reply to: #3139065 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? ballyard7 - 2010-10-08 4:07 AM titeloops - 2010-10-07 2:21 PM You'll probably be fine, not fast, but fine. Glad its you not me. I'd be pooping a brick! I did the same thing last year for Louisville and I swam a 1:24 and felt like I had not done anything when i got out. i'm not nervous or worried about how i feel because a 1:20 IM swim for me (without hardly swimming at all during the year) is easy and doesn't fatigue me. I do a lot of pushups, dips and shoulder exercises during the year so its no biggie. My whole point to this question really was wondering if anyone else swims a few time the month leading up to the IM swim and not much else. Due mainly to more time on the bike and run or because they are fine with their swim time where it is. I do plan on trying to get better for my 2012 IM. But i went from avg of 18mph on the bike for IM to around 20mph in one year. And thats 20mph and still feeling good. And the answer is yes. Even for some folks who aren't natural/experienced swimmers, apparently! So you be just fine, and good luck! Just because I'm a smartass about everything I don't know about ... (well, about the few I do as well) the mistake some folks make on cutting swimming (for whatever reason) is that they don't make it up in bike (especially) or run training. One kind of needs the whole aerobic package to go the distance. |
2010-10-07 4:33 PM in reply to: #3137794 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? I used to swim a lot less...once a week. And I podiumed (is that actually a verb?) in my AG a couple times on that at the sprint and Oly distances. But I upped my yardage...a lot...and started swimming twice a week when I moved up to HIM, then IM. I used to swim competitively in HS, but have always found pool swim training pretty boring. If it were safer and more convenient for me to do regular OW swimming, I'd enjoy swimming more. It's a bit of a struggle to keep my minimum swim volume where I'd like it to be year-round, regardless of what I have on my race calendar. |
2010-10-07 6:02 PM in reply to: #3139192 |
Member 63 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? TriAya - 2010-10-07 3:58 PM kath9dav - 2010-10-08 4:41 AM Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. Anything below the swim cutoff and part of a complete breakfast that's 17:00 or under, whether painful or not, works for a lot of people. Why would anyone chose to participate in a sport and have the goal simply be "not to be disqualified" based on failing to make the time? That's one aspect of triathlons I cannot understand in the least. If you are out there, might as well try to win it. |
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2010-10-07 6:05 PM in reply to: #3137794 |
Expert 2852 Pfafftown, NC | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? Somebody pass me the popcorn....... |
2010-10-07 6:06 PM in reply to: #3139506 |
Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 4:02 PM TriAya - 2010-10-07 3:58 PM kath9dav - 2010-10-08 4:41 AM Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. Anything below the swim cutoff and part of a complete breakfast that's 17:00 or under, whether painful or not, works for a lot of people. Why would anyone chose to participate in a sport and have the goal simply be "not to be disqualified" based on failing to make the time? That's one aspect of triathlons I cannot understand in the least. If you are out there, might as well try to win it. Oh thank you!!! My Thursday was getting, as you say, painfully slow, now that JBrashear's office mate smashed that mile. Pass that popcorn will ya??? Edited by ChrisM 2010-10-07 6:11 PM |
2010-10-07 6:11 PM in reply to: #3139506 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 7:02 PM TriAya - 2010-10-07 3:58 PM kath9dav - 2010-10-08 4:41 AM Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. Anything below the swim cutoff and part of a complete breakfast that's 17:00 or under, whether painful or not, works for a lot of people. Why would anyone chose to participate in a sport and have the goal simply be "not to be disqualified" based on failing to make the time? That's one aspect of triathlons I cannot understand in the least. If you are out there, might as well try to win it. I'll play ! 1. Whether or not it's "supposed to be a good time" is in the eye of the beholder, erm, swimmer. The cut off for the swim is 2h 20m, so it's well within the cut off time. Is it fast for an elite or an AGer? No. It is fast to for me? No - I did my IM swim in 1:15. Is it fast for someone else? Certainly. 2. Why don't you search the many many many many threads about just finishing versus being competitive? This is a subject that's been hashed out dozens of times here. 3. What you can't understand likely doesn't matter to anyone except you. Why other people tri is their business - not yours. Edited by trishie 2010-10-07 6:12 PM |
2010-10-07 6:11 PM in reply to: #3139510 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? nc452010 - 2010-10-07 7:05 PM Somebody pass me the popcorn....... Passed ! Extra butter ?? |
2010-10-07 6:13 PM in reply to: #3137794 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? I've not done an IM. In the year of my first HIM, I swam maybe 6-8 times total before the race and that was the only swimming I had done in almost 2 years. Including the race it was maybe a total of 10K or even less. It's not that I don't like to swim. I don't like going to a pool. If I had easy access to open water I would swim lots more. |
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2010-10-07 6:18 PM in reply to: #3139506 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 6:02 PM TriAya - 2010-10-07 3:58 PM kath9dav - 2010-10-08 4:41 AM Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. Anything below the swim cutoff and part of a complete breakfast that's 17:00 or under, whether painful or not, works for a lot of people. Why would anyone chose to participate in a sport and have the goal simply be "not to be disqualified" based on failing to make the time? That's one aspect of triathlons I cannot understand in the least. If you are out there, might as well try to win it. Just so that you would come and share your insights on BT. I could have finished in about 55 minutes, but I was foretold of your arrival and decided I wanted to see what brilliant things you would have to say. Thank you for not disappointing. To answer your question anyway, I am a full-time student, employee, and a father of two little girls. I don't have the time to train that often. I apologize for offending your sensibilities. |
2010-10-07 6:40 PM in reply to: #3139192 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? TriAya - 2010-10-07 1:58 PM kath9dav - 2010-10-08 4:41 AM Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. Anything below the swim cutoff and part of a complete breakfast that's 17:00 or under, whether painful or not, works for a lot of people. A bit of hyperbole there; a 1:24 is not that bad. FOP, no, but not "painfully slow" either. Put it another way: let's say you're swimming that 1:24 right now. How fast do you realistically think you could get in a year with a lot of swim workouts? 1:00? :55? I'd wager that most people could shave more time off their bike and run combined. Every single person you see walking the run course on an IM has potential for huge time gains there. Some people like a plan that balances all 3, others like to focus on their weak areas more. Each to their own. |
2010-10-07 6:56 PM in reply to: #3137794 |
Member 63 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? I did not mean to insult anyone. I often hear triathletes say their goals are simply to finish or not to be DQ'd due to a cutoff time. To me, repeat, to me, well, to me and most of my training buddies, this runs totally contrary to why we participate in sports. If I'm going to invest the training time and $$ it's not to simply finish, it is to try to win. I never win btw. To set the bar so low seems strange, but to each his/her own. I believe that everyone is capable of far more than they think they can accomplish. Why shoot for the lowest possible standard? Oh, and I'm the father of two young daughters and work and all the rest. Fortunately I can get in training from 5-7 am daily. |
2010-10-07 7:02 PM in reply to: #3137794 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? Not IM training but this year's swimming looks like this:
Of that, 3000m is racing and probably another 1000m is warmup for racing. I love swimming and usually do lots more (>200km/year in 08 and 09 and ~140km/year 05-07) but this year with the birth of our daughter, swimming just didn't happen. I hope to get back this fall/winter as I miss it and I also miss getting out of the water with the faster swimmers. Shane |
2010-10-07 7:04 PM in reply to: #3139513 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? ChrisM - 2010-10-07 8:06 PM j doggg? That you??? Ahh j doggg; now that was some good trolling It's been a long time since we've had a serious high quality troll around. Shane |
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2010-10-07 7:12 PM in reply to: #3139610 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? gsmacleod - 2010-10-07 It's been a long time since we've had a serious high quality troll around. Well, you can't be a FOP troll unless you train year-round. |
2010-10-07 7:23 PM in reply to: #3139597 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 7:56 PM I did not mean to insult anyone. I often hear triathletes say their goals are simply to finish or not to be DQ'd due to a cutoff time. To me, repeat, to me, well, to me and most of my training buddies, this runs totally contrary to why we participate in sports. If I'm going to invest the training time and $$ it's not to simply finish, it is to try to win. I never win btw. To set the bar so low seems strange, but to each his/her own. I believe that everyone is capable of far more than they think they can accomplish. Why shoot for the lowest possible standard? Oh, and I'm the father of two young daughters and work and all the rest. Fortunately I can get in training from 5-7 am daily. I KNEW I shouldn't have done an Ironman... I had zero shot of beating Yvonne van Vlerken! |
2010-10-07 7:25 PM in reply to: #3139597 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 6:56 PM I did not mean to insult anyone. I often hear triathletes say their goals are simply to finish or not to be DQ'd due to a cutoff time. To me, repeat, to me, well, to me and most of my training buddies, this runs totally contrary to why we participate in sports. If I'm going to invest the training time and $$ it's not to simply finish, it is to try to win. I never win btw. To set the bar so low seems strange, but to each his/her own. I believe that everyone is capable of far more than they think they can accomplish. Why shoot for the lowest possible standard? Oh, and I'm the father of two young daughters and work and all the rest. Fortunately I can get in training from 5-7 am daily. I think winning sets unrealistic goals for my kids. My goal was to come in DFL, but sadly my training did not allow for that and I had to change my goals mid-race. Now my kids think it's perfectly acceptable to do better than simply finish an Ironman. |
2010-10-07 8:13 PM in reply to: #3139597 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 6:56 PM I did not mean to insult anyone. I often hear triathletes say their goals are simply to finish or not to be DQ'd due to a cutoff time. To me, repeat, to me, well, to me and most of my training buddies, this runs totally contrary to why we participate in sports. If I'm going to invest the training time and $$ it's not to simply finish, it is to try to win. I never win btw. To set the bar so low seems strange, but to each his/her own. I believe that everyone is capable of far more than they think they can accomplish. Why shoot for the lowest possible standard? Oh, and I'm the father of two young daughters and work and all the rest. Fortunately I can get in training from 5-7 am daily. I am hoping that there is just a misunderstanding between what you mean and how your post reads, but if not, you can't be serious. We're not talking about a game of soccer here. This is a frickin Ironman. It's not a damn turkey trot. When you spend an entire day racing things can spiral out of control and a DNF can become a very real possibility. For someone's goal to be finish the swim before cutoff is a heck of a challenge if they struggle with swimming or come from a starting point of not being able to make the cutoff. If Ryan Hall decided to do an Ironman I wouldn't fault him at all for shooting for the swim cutoff. Get the heck out of the way though when he rolls off his bike.... Everybody's story is different. That's why it's fun. |
2010-10-07 8:17 PM in reply to: #3137794 |
Member 63 | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? Death before DNF. If you consider a DNF a possibility, you've already lost. |
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2010-10-07 8:21 PM in reply to: #3139149 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 3:41 PM Is 1:24 supposed to be a good time? That sounds painfully slow. No I didn't mean for it to come across like i swim very little and i'm still fast or something. I do not think a 1:24 is fast. I personally think anything approaching the 1 hour mark is pretty dang good though. What I meant by saying I did no swimming and swam a 1:24 was....I could have swam very hard and worked on technique this year and maybe dropped to what? 60-70 min MAYBE. That would be a drop of 24 min if i was extremely lucky and worked very hard at it. I worked pretty hard at biking this year and i expect to take 50 min off my bike split. So for me i did no swimming this year and i can keep my swim at 1:20ish, but i took my bike split way down. Now that i've got another year of biking under me then maybe next year I can keep my bike constant and take the swim down. I was just curious if anyone else takes this approach. Since it seems to me that once you learn how to swim (at least enough to make the distance...not saying great form or anything) it doesn't take much effort to stay at your all day pace. But if i was to drop the bike or run training like i did the swimming then you all know what would happen. |
2010-10-07 8:23 PM in reply to: #3139751 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 9:17 PM Death before DNF. If you consider a DNF a possibility, you've already lost. Everyone who toes the line at an IM has the possibility to DNF. It's a long day and happens. Not that folks plan for DNF. Seriously death instead of DNF? You'd do permanant bodily harm to yourself to finish an IM instead of stopping and getting medical attention? Last IM I did I threw up on the bike for few hours, was dehydrated, and very low on calories, had such bad cramps in my legs, I couldn't lift my leg over my bike, saw things that weren't there, did I quit..nope...did I barely make the bike cut off? yep Was I stupid...perhaps... |
2010-10-07 8:28 PM in reply to: #3139597 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 6:56 PM I did not mean to insult anyone. I often hear triathletes say their goals are simply to finish or not to be DQ'd due to a cutoff time. To me, repeat, to me, well, to me and most of my training buddies, this runs totally contrary to why we participate in sports. If I'm going to invest the training time and $$ it's not to simply finish, it is to try to win. I never win btw. To set the bar so low seems strange, but to each his/her own. I believe that everyone is capable of far more than they think they can accomplish. Why shoot for the lowest possible standard? Oh, and I'm the father of two young daughters and work and all the rest. Fortunately I can get in training from 5-7 am daily. What about someone who wants to do their first triple ironman or their first 100 mile run? Would you sign up for the race thinking that you are going for the win? If that was true then say you knew the winner for the 100 was going to be at around an 8min mile. Are you going to go out at that pace until you can't hold it any longer (assuming you can't)? Because if you don't then you obviously aren't trying to win. |
2010-10-07 8:28 PM in reply to: #3139751 |
Subject: RE: IM Swim prep...Anyone swim as little as I do? kath9dav - 2010-10-07 6:17 PMDeath before DNF. If you consider a DNF a possibility, you've already lost. Awesome! Having dnf'd an ironman for medical reasons, i'll take aa dnf over death. but that's just me. BTW, you haven't shared your IM swim time yet. |
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