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2010-10-16 12:12 AM
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rgretsof - 2010-10-15 8:22 AM
To me, swimming is the "necessary evil" when it comes to triathlons.


Funny, I feel the same way about running...


I'd rather be a good runner as opposed to a good swimmer because in most distance races a good runner will almost always make up any time gains the good swimmer has built up. Maybe when my knees give out I will quit running and start doing flip turns so I will look like a "real" swimmer!


I never said I'd "rather" be a good swimmer - it's simply my strongest leg because of my swimming background. What I meant by my comment was that during a tri... the run is where the real mental part of the race comes into play for me. I have a tri-coworker who is a strong runner and he thinks "If I can just get to the run." I think more along the lines of: "If I can just get through the run."


2010-10-16 12:18 AM
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The Dude14 - 2010-10-15 9:10 PM
ericwjacobson - 2010-10-15 10:08 PM Wow 5 pages in one day and still growing. Must be getting close to a record?

Glad I could stir the pot a bit!!!!


I would give you a gold star for stirring the pot ... great job keep up the good work. I will bring the popcorn next time

It is amazing how some of these threads can have a life of their own and all over flip turns and how to to tell your a triathlete.

2010-10-16 1:04 AM
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I don't look down on people who can't flipturn, but I think open turns really ruin the fluidity of a swim. Are you stopping and doing a 180 every 15-30 seconds in OW? Sure you're not flipping, either, but the flip gets you going a lot quicker, and helps simulate the constant motion a lot better than an open turn does...
2010-10-16 4:39 AM
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ericwjacobson - 2010-10-16 1:18 AM
The Dude14 - 2010-10-15 9:10 PM
ericwjacobson - 2010-10-15 10:08 PM Wow 5 pages in one day and still growing. Must be getting close to a record?

Glad I could stir the pot a bit!!!!


I would give you a gold star for stirring the pot ... great job keep up the good work. I will bring the popcorn next time

It is amazing how some of these threads can have a life of their own and all over flip turns and how to to tell your a triathlete.


A cold beer would be better
2010-10-16 5:13 AM
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Turn how you want to people.  Just dont wear your wetsuit in the pool.
2010-10-16 6:06 AM
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How about compression socks? Can we wear those in the pool?


2010-10-16 9:21 AM
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The Dude14 - 2010-10-16 4:39 AM
ericwjacobson - 2010-10-16 1:18 AM
The Dude14 - 2010-10-15 9:10 PM
ericwjacobson - 2010-10-15 10:08 PM Wow 5 pages in one day and still growing. Must be getting close to a record?

Glad I could stir the pot a bit!!!!


I would give you a gold star for stirring the pot ... great job keep up the good work. I will bring the popcorn next time

It is amazing how some of these threads can have a life of their own and all over flip turns and how to to tell your a triathlete.


A cold beer would be better



Ok Popcorn and beer.. Any takers for the pizza?
2010-10-16 9:23 AM
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monkeyboy64 - 2010-10-16 6:06 AM How about compression socks? Can we wear those in the pool?



You can add the compression socks as long as you don't forget the aero helmet and fuel belt. It makes the flip turns much more exciting
2010-10-16 10:59 AM
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H20 Killer - 2010-10-15 8:16 PM
pschriver - 2010-10-15 8:13 PM I started doing flip turns for 2 reasons,

1) A couple of very attractive girls made insulting comments about my "Turtle Turns"

2) My swim coach was insistent that I do the flipping to make my workouts more efficient.

I learned to flip and markedly improved my swimming. I personally don't care if other people flip or not but the benefit I received from the 1-2 hours it took to learn how to do it correctly has paid off.


I can't tell you how many times I have heard this over the years.  It does a make a difference.


Yes, doing flip turns is a great way to impress the ladies. I love me a man that can do some flip turns. oh, wait were you refering to number 2?

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2010-10-20 4:25 PM
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H20 Killer - 2010-10-15 10:00 AM Triathletes always claim they don't need to do flip turns because they aren't needed in OW.  I can't tell you how far from the truth that is.  If you take a few weeks to learn how to flip your swimming will greatly improve.  I've seen this time and again with the dozens of tris that train at our club.  Coming to a dead stop, grabbing the wall and doing the dip and slip on every 25/50 is really a colossal waste of energy and zaps energy that could be used to swim more and better.


I agree with this 100%.  I just started swimming this year.  I started doing flip turns about a month ago.  My breathing has got incredibly better and I've had some pretty good sudden gains.  Being out of breath during an open water swim doesn't hurt as much as it does when you're needing a breath during a flip turn.   I'm still slow but getting less slow. 

 
2010-10-22 10:15 AM
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My give-away is the two beat kick and free-style only swimming.

I do flip-turns. I wear a swim cap. No watch, just a sport count on my finger. I wear jammers and even sometimes a full on speedo.Surprised I'm religious with the sunscreen, so I don't even have tan lines.

I do sets of all lengths and even throw in an occasional sub 30 second 6 beat kick 50 yarder.

I don't mess with the toys.

I've only been at this swimming thing about a year, so I am frequently humbled when a real swimmer gets into the lane next to me.

-Old Ag

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2010-10-22 10:31 AM
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Wanna know the single easiest way to identify a triathlete?

The topics they debate endlessly.

This is why I stick to running only.
2010-10-22 12:14 PM
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I successfully ignored this thread yesterday, but when it was into 6 pages this morning I had to look.

I was not a swimmer when young. When I started, in my mid 40's, I got the silly idea that I should learn flip turns too, so I did them right from the very start. Is it better? Did it help? Did it hurt? I don't know, but I still do them almost all the time.

To the original point: On one workout, very early after learning to swim, as I was walking away on the pool deck, a hot young lady lifeguard asked if I was a triathlete. I didn't have any toys and I had been flipping reasonably well by then. You got me on the tri shorts though. Maybe it was something else, but I was quite flattered that she had looked close enough to notice!
2010-10-22 12:19 PM
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Scout7 - 2010-10-22 8:31 AM Wanna know the single easiest way to identify a triathlete? The topics they debate endlessly. This is why I stick to running only.


Flip turns are so easy.  This video is a good instructional tool to learn how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
2010-10-22 12:28 PM
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Last night at the gym I was wrapping up my workout when a muscular guy with a great body (um, yeah, I only noticed because because it indicated he must have been a good athlete...) hopped in the lane next to me.  He had a pull buoy and was doing open turns, and I chuckled thinking of this thread, but I was too chicken to ask if he was a triathlete or not for fear he would think I was flirting.  

I mostly feel like a swimmer posing as a triathlete, and it is quite exhilirating being one of the first to come out of the water, only to be passed on the bike by every single racer in the field.  The racks are always full for me.
2010-10-22 12:32 PM
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LilyB - 2010-10-22 1:28 PM  
I mostly feel like a swimmer posing as a triathlete, and it is quite exhilirating being one of the first to come out of the water, only to be passed on the bike by every single racer in the field.  The racks are always full for me.


Haha. I totally agree  


2010-10-22 12:59 PM
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Funny thing for me is that I never have done an official open turn! My first attempt at lap swimming was with a collegiate level coach who immediately started me on learning the flip turn. So once I had the endurance to go further than 25 yards without hanging on the wall, I already had the flip turn down (sort of). For me, I either flip turn, or hang on the wall. Maybe learning to do an efficient open turn will transform my swimming!

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2010-10-22 1:20 PM
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Scout7 - 2010-10-22 8:31 AM Wanna know the single easiest way to identify a triathlete? The topics they debate endlessly. This is why I stick to running only.


Flip turns are so easy.  This video is a good instructional tool to learn how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


D@mn you.
2010-10-22 2:02 PM
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ChrisM - 2010-10-22 1:19 PM  

Flip turns are so easy.  This video is a good instructional tool to learn how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!  HATE you. 
2010-10-22 2:08 PM
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ChrisM - 2010-10-22 1:19 PM  

Flip turns are so easy.  This video is a good instructional tool to learn how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!  HATE you. 


but in a good way, right?    I mean, the dancing, the sunglasses, the hitched up jeans??  come on, I know you smiled

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2010-10-22 5:52 PM
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I mostly feel like a swimmer posing as a triathlete, and it is quite exhilirating being one of the first to come out of the water, only to be passed on the bike by every single racer in the field.  The racks are always full for me.


Haha. I totally agree  


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I'm traveling for work this week and have been swimming at the gym.  I hate swimming at the gym - too many random people.  Forutnately, it was not very crowded, but the people who were there were most definitely triathletes.  One guy took 23 strokes for ~1/2 a length.  That hurt my soul (seriously!) and I had to stop him and see what his deal was.  Sure enough, M-Dot tattoo and training for IMAZ.  Tried to sell him on the benefits of some drills and reducing his stroke count (use less energy to go the same speed!) but I doubt he got the message.

I just have the hardest time not stopping people and correcting them.  It just hurts my eyes too much and I just want to fix their issues.


2010-10-22 7:09 PM
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Yeah, hottie tri-swimmer guy's stroke was definitely in need of a tune-up.  He was almost limp-armed, and was cutting in way short instead of reaching.  I wanted to tell him a few things he could improve, but wasn't sure how unsolicited advice would be taken.  It is bad when the last 200 of my warm-down is significantly faster than his workout.  It's all about form, people.
2010-10-23 8:05 PM
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ChrisM - 2010-10-22 12:19 PM
Flip turns are so easy.  This video is a good instructional tool to learn how

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0


Thanks for the link.  I just posted to my FB page to help my tri friends.
2010-10-24 5:21 PM
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ericwjacobson - 2010-10-15 9:15 AM You can always tell when a person is a triathlete when swimming: multiple sets of insane distances, swimming very slow, weird body positions, no flip turns, a pile of swim aids, and constant checking of their watch.

--Eric


hmmm...  my laps are 150 yd each and each workout is 1500-2100 yd, I do swim slow, I don't think my body position is weird, I flip at the reef (I swim from shore to reef so reef is my 'end of the lane'), no swim aids, no watch and hell, I wear a normal beach swimsuit (not even a speedo type).
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