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2010-11-21 11:18 AM

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I'm restarting my weight training program and just wondering if it's preferable to keep muscular endurance, strength and power training completely separate (i.e. in say a 4 week block before changing) or if it's okay do mix it up and do one of each in my three sessions a week?

Mixing it up would keep it more interesting but does this produce the same results as block training?


2010-11-21 8:45 PM
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It is perfectly fine to mix the three types of workouts within the same week. There's actually a name for it - conjugate periodization.
2010-11-21 11:39 PM
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Ooh that sounds good, I shall google it!
2010-11-24 8:46 PM
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Variety keeps the muscles 'guessing' and that sparks change and gowth.

2010-11-30 12:40 PM
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Gotta love the myth of muscle confusion.

OP it really depends on your goals but you can mix together different types of workouts as you see fit.  I know a lot of guys that will go total body w/ one power, one hypertrophy, and one endurance workout a week, but a combo of any of those will work.  I personally have been toying with combining 2 in one workout.  Superset a power compound movement with an endurance or hypertrophy isolation movement.
2010-12-16 4:35 AM
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I've been mixing it up and it's working really well. It's great too as different exercises lend themselves better to a different style of workout so I don't repeat many exercises over the three different workouts - ideal!


2011-02-17 12:58 PM
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Mix it up.... works best mentally and physically....
2011-02-17 12:59 PM
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MUSKOKAFIVEOH - 2010-11-25 10:46 AM

Variety keeps the muscles 'guessing' and that sparks change and gowth.




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2011-02-17 1:06 PM
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chesbak - 2011-02-17 12:59 PM
MUSKOKAFIVEOH - 2010-11-25 10:46 AM

Variety keeps the muscles 'guessing' and that sparks change and gowth.




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Actually it's not.  The secret is to progressively overload the muscles and then deload.  It's a formula that has worked for decades.  It's used in proven systems like 5 x 5 and 5/3/1 where you do the exact same workouts week after week and then deload at a prescribed time.  It makes you strong and big.  You will never, ever hear the terms "keep the muscle guessing" or "muscle confusion" from any power lifter, body builder, or trainer that isn't in some gym chain or infomertial.  Sorry if I come off as a horses rear but it's an urban legend and one that needs to be squashed.
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uhcoog - 2011-02-17 8:06 PM
chesbak - 2011-02-17 12:59 PM
MUSKOKAFIVEOH - 2010-11-25 10:46 AM

Variety keeps the muscles 'guessing' and that sparks change and gowth.




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Actually it's not.  The secret is to progressively overload the muscles and then deload.  It's a formula that has worked for decades.  It's used in proven systems like 5 x 5 and 5/3/1 where you do the exact same workouts week after week and then deload at a prescribed time.  It makes you strong and big.  You will never, ever hear the terms "keep the muscle guessing" or "muscle confusion" from any power lifter, body builder, or trainer that isn't in some gym chain or infomertial.  Sorry if I come off as a horses rear but it's an urban legend and one that needs to be squashed.


To OP: you might want to look at muscle periodization, which is similar to what uhcoog said here.
2011-02-18 11:55 AM
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uhcoog - 2011-02-17 2:06 PM
chesbak - 2011-02-17 12:59 PM
MUSKOKAFIVEOH - 2010-11-25 10:46 AM

Variety keeps the muscles 'guessing' and that sparks change and gowth.




True That.... 


Actually it's not.  The secret is to progressively overload the muscles and then deload.  It's a formula that has worked for decades.  It's used in proven systems like 5 x 5 and 5/3/1 where you do the exact same workouts week after week and then deload at a prescribed time.  It makes you strong and big.  You will never, ever hear the terms "keep the muscle guessing" or "muscle confusion" from any power lifter, body builder, or trainer that isn't in some gym chain or infomertial.  Sorry if I come off as a horses rear but it's an urban legend and one that needs to be squashed.


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Muscle confusion is one of the biggest myths out there.  If more people sought out the facts instead of relying on "something I heard", they would achieve their goals instead of getting frustrated and quitting after a few months.

I do take exception at the generalization about trainers at chain gyms, though.  Wink  They're not all clueless.



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If you're a trainer at a chain gym that actually makes clients lift heavy and not some insane high rep scheme to gain strength and lose weight I say kudos to your for stepping outside that box.
2011-03-26 7:02 PM
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The great thing about weight lifting is you see the result within 10-14 days. That makes it easy to find what works and doesn't work for an individual. So if you don't see the results you are lookin for try something diferent. For some crazy reason every thing doesn't work for everyone.
2011-03-27 5:50 AM
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I'd recommend block periodisation to any athlete. Strength and conditioning research on block (linear) periodisation has also shown positive effects on increases in strength, speed, and power. Kraemer (Kraemer, 1997) demonstrated the superiority of periodisation vs. non-periodisation when training football players.

Undulating periodisation involves the acute variation of volume and intensity on a weekly (microcycle) or daily basis. According Poliquin, this type of scheduling allows for minimal risk of overtraining and plateau like adaptation, while allowing for maximal training effect. This, in contrast to linear block training models, which “lose their efficacy after only two weeks” (Wilson and Wilson, 2005, Poluquin et al, 1985).  In his investigation, Poliquin concluded, “that if the stimulus is provided in the exact same way, results would diminish over time (Wilson and Wilson, 2005,Poluquin, 1988 ).” This theory holds true to Seyle’s general adaptation theory, in that there needs to be exposure to stimulus or stress for adaptation to occur (Siff, 2003). Utilizing the undulating periodisation model with what he refers to as an “Accumulation Phase” where the main stressor is volume and an “Intensification Phase” where intensity is the main stressor. The aforementioned Dr. Bondarchuk stated the importance of “block” periodization, but included in each block must be an undulation of load and intensity. He states “we are convinced that loads of different intensities should be used in the workouts of highly qualified athletes in each session during the preparatory and competitive periods. Skilful alternation of these loads will help the athlete to learn and improve technique, develop the needed speed-strength, and obtain the best post workout restoration (Bondarchuk, 1994).

Granted there will be weeks during your macro-cycle where there will be overlaps and that it completely acceptable, Research has shown that combining strength and power training concurrently proved better in increasing vertical leap than strength or power training alone (Adams et al, 1992). In contrast though, when strength training was combined with heavy endurance training, strength (Hickson, 1980) and power (Dudley and Djamil, 1985) levels were lower than those whom did strength training alone. 

It's all about maximising your potential, whilst reducing the risks. No training program ever going to be perfect, but did it's mean that we're not going to keep trying to make them better.

Also muscle confusion is almost as bad as saying resistance training will make you a bodybuilder, muscle confusion comes from increasing overload and detraining.

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