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 2010-11-29 1:49 PM |
Master  2327    North Alabama |  Subject: TSA has gone too farA woman requested her breast milk to not be scanned by the xray machine, and according to the federal rules, it can be excluded. |
| 2010-11-29 2:08 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far The article I read had some additional information (same video segments): In this segment, the TSA manager tells me I can leave security, redistribute the milk into half full containers (his completely made-up rule) and go through security all over again if I want to avoid x-rays on the milk. With tears continuing to stream down my face, I did that. I also missed my flight playing along with his ridiculous game. Curiously, my second screening video (another 20 minutes) has been erased. During that portion, I was scolded for not watching the woman test my milk (I would turn my head away to hide the tears), the manager wrote down my personal information on a scratch piece of paper and tucked it in his pocket (who knows where that ended up- TSA could only say their “policy” was to destroy information like that…we all know how “policy” went that day, though), and took pictures of my breast milk for some unknown reason. Edited by lisac957 2010-11-29 2:11 PM |
| 2010-11-29 2:12 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far This is absolutely ridiculous. I hope that some awareness comes of this. |
| 2010-11-29 2:26 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
Champion 7821  Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far (disclaimer—can’t see the video on this computer) Well, “excluded” just means that you’re allowed to bring more than 3oz on board—it doesn’t mean that it’s exempt from all security measures. I looked at the TSA regs and they don’t say anything about breast milk being exempt from screening, or even being exempt from being x-rayed. It says specifically that the TSA officers may test exempt liquids in containers of more than 3oz for explosives. http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/children/formula.shtm If the milk was in a container that was larger than one would expect to need for the length of the flight, or if it was in an opaque container, it’s not unreasonable to me that the TSA agent would question it or want, in the case of an opaque container, to ensure that there wasn’t anything concealed in it. While I'm sure that the TSA handled this with their usual brand of compassionate customer-oriented sensitivity and professionalism which I'm sure didn't help matters, I'm not really sure I see where this is an abuse of authority. |
| 2010-11-29 2:33 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far I don't have the full rules, but according to that link, it looks like she didn't understand the rules. Sure it looks bad on the surface, but it sounds like they were following policy. |
| 2010-11-29 2:43 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far I read Lisa’s link, and it sounds as though the woman wasn’t travelling with her child, and was carrying the milk that she’d pumped while at the airport. That’s significant because the exemption that the woman keeps citing ( for liquid formula, breastmilk, baby food, and medicine) is there to allow people travelling with infants or with conditions requiring medication to have those necessary items during their trip. The exemption specifically states that passengers are “encouraged to travel with only as much formula, breast milk, or juice in your carry-on needed to reach your destination.” Again, since she wasn’t travelling with an infant, per the TSA regs, it could be argued that the exemption didn’t apply to her, and the TSA had the right to treat the breast milk just as they would any other liquid in excess of 3 oz. |
| 2010-11-29 3:05 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far Don't you people understand?! The TSA is evil and takes every opportunity to abuse it's authority. It took this poor uninformed woman and make a mockery of her Seriously, this is another example of an over-sensitive person not knowing the rules. It's that simple. If you're going to bend the rules or use an exemption, either allow for WAY more time or follow the rules to the letter. |
| 2010-11-29 3:09 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
Master 2327 North Alabama | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far From TSA: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/children/formula.shtm "TSA is also modifying the rules associated with carrying breast milk through security checkpoints. Mothers flying with, and now without, their child will be permitted to bring breast milk in quantities greater than three ounces as long as it is declared for inspection at the security checkpoint. Breast milk is in the same category as liquid medications. When traveling with your infant or toddler, in the absence of suspicious activity or items, greater than 3 ounces of baby formula, breast milk, or juice are permitted through the security checkpoint in reasonable quantities for the duration of your itinerary, if you perform the following:
You are encouraged to travel with only as much formula, breast milk, or juice in your carry-on needed to reach your destination." |
 2010-11-29 3:09 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
| Subject: ... This user's post has been ignored. Edited by AcesFull 2010-11-29 3:10 PM |
| 2010-11-29 3:16 PM in reply to: #3229247 |
| Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far LostSheep - 2010-11-29 3:09 PM
I'm still not seeing how you see it this way. You can bring it on, but it has to be declared for INSPECTION. I've travelled with my wife and kids before, and putting it through the x-ray machine, testing with strips, etc. is standard. |
| 2010-11-29 3:19 PM in reply to: #3229247 |
| Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far LostSheep - 2010-11-29 3:09 PM From TSA: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/children/formula.shtm Sadly, I don't know if these rules have changed or not, but seems that she was correct... How do you interpret that from the link you posted? I read/posted the same link, and nowhere does it say that breast milk is exempt from scrutiny or even from x-rays, only that it's exempt from the 3oz rule. And anyway, as I posted, since she didn't have her baby with her, the exemption doesn't apply to her in the first place. The rule is to allow parents travelling with babies to bring more than 3oz on board to feed the child. She didn't have a child with her, so she didn't "need" the breastmilk. (And I'm not even going to get into the "ew" factor of transporting bags of unrefrigerated breast milk in your carry-on luggage, ostensibly to be fed to her infant later on. This isn't Parmalat, for goodness' sake.) I'm sorry the woman got so emotional and missed her flight, but I think she (and you) are misunderstanding the rules. |
| 2010-11-29 3:23 PM in reply to: #3229273 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far jmk-brooklyn - 2010-11-29 3:19 PM And anyway, as I posted, since she didn't have her baby with her, the exemption doesn't apply to her in the first place. The rule is to allow parents travelling with babies to bring more than 3oz on board to feed the child. Says in the second sentence: Mothers flying with, and now without, their child will be permitted to bring breast milk... Edited by lisac957 2010-11-29 3:23 PM |
| 2010-11-29 3:37 PM in reply to: #3229282 |
| Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:23 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2010-11-29 3:19 PM And anyway, as I posted, since she didn't have her baby with her, the exemption doesn't apply to her in the first place. The rule is to allow parents travelling with babies to bring more than 3oz on board to feed the child. Says in the second sentence: Mothers flying with, and now without, their child will be permitted to bring breast milk... Yup—missed that- I only skimmed the thing. Still, she seems to be under the impression that it’s exempt from scrutiny altogether, which it clearly says it isn’t. |
| 2010-11-29 3:41 PM in reply to: #3229310 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far jmk-brooklyn - 2010-11-29 3:37 PM lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:23 PM Yup—missed that- I only skimmed the thing. Still, she seems to be under the impression that it’s exempt from scrutiny altogether, which it clearly says it isn’t. jmk-brooklyn - 2010-11-29 3:19 PM And anyway, as I posted, since she didn't have her baby with her, the exemption doesn't apply to her in the first place. The rule is to allow parents travelling with babies to bring more than 3oz on board to feed the child. Says in the second sentence: Mothers flying with, and now without, their child will be permitted to bring breast milk... No, from what I gleaned... she was fine with it being inspected, just not being sent through X-ray (which she claims, at the time this happened, was clearly within the rules she was carrying with her). The fact that they held her for what... 2 hours?! is ridiculous beyond belief. If you watch the videos, she was literally not allowed to gather her belongings that went throu X-ray or talk to anyone. They held her in the glass case for nearly 2 hours without any communication except for a threat of being arrested. Maybe there is more to the story with audio, but wow. |
| 2010-11-29 3:48 PM in reply to: #3229322 |
| Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:41 PM No, from what I gleaned... she was fine with it being inspected, just not being sent through X-ray (which she claims, at the time this happened, was clearly within the rules she was carrying with her). The whole process is admittedly ridiculous, but I still don't see where this exemption from x-ray screening is coming from. I read the link and the TSA rules and don't see it anywhere. |
| 2010-11-29 3:52 PM in reply to: #3229263 |
| Master 2327 North Alabama | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far DerekL - 2010-11-29 3:16 PM LostSheep - 2010-11-29 3:09 PM
I'm still not seeing how you see it this way. You can bring it on, but it has to be declared for INSPECTION. I've travelled with my wife and kids before, and putting it through the x-ray machine, testing with strips, etc. is standard. Ok, yes. It does need inspecting. I do not doubt that it needs inspecting. My qualm is with the fact that it can receive the "alternate screening" other than xray, yet they denied her and refused it. I would have NO PROBLEM with it being checked, inspected, etc., but when they claim they can be expected under alternate means, and aren't, it's rediculous. |
| 2010-11-29 3:54 PM in reply to: #3229335 |
| Master 2327 North Alabama | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far DerekL - 2010-11-29 3:48 PM lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:41 PM No, from what I gleaned... she was fine with it being inspected, just not being sent through X-ray (which she claims, at the time this happened, was clearly within the rules she was carrying with her). The whole process is admittedly ridiculous, but I still don't see where this exemption from x-ray screening is coming from. I read the link and the TSA rules and don't see it anywhere. Maybe we have different interpretations, but #3 sorta spells it out (to me at least): When traveling with your infant or toddler, in the absence of suspicious activity or items, greater than 3 ounces of baby formula, breast milk, or juice are permitted through the security checkpoint in reasonable quantities for the duration of your itinerary, if you perform the following:
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| 2010-11-29 3:55 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
| Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far Ok, I've gone and read more. This is confusing. The link to the milk/formula page doesn't say anything about being exempt from x-rays if requested, but it does state that it's treated as a medication. I went to the medication page that says that you can request alternate inspection for liquid medications, so she is correct, and I stand corrected. |
| 2010-11-29 3:56 PM in reply to: #3229322 |
| Master 2327 North Alabama | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:41 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2010-11-29 3:37 PM lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:23 PM Yup—missed that- I only skimmed the thing. Still, she seems to be under the impression that it’s exempt from scrutiny altogether, which it clearly says it isn’t. jmk-brooklyn - 2010-11-29 3:19 PM And anyway, as I posted, since she didn't have her baby with her, the exemption doesn't apply to her in the first place. The rule is to allow parents travelling with babies to bring more than 3oz on board to feed the child. Says in the second sentence: Mothers flying with, and now without, their child will be permitted to bring breast milk... No, from what I gleaned... she was fine with it being inspected, just not being sent through X-ray (which she claims, at the time this happened, was clearly within the rules she was carrying with her). The fact that they held her for what... 2 hours?! is ridiculous beyond belief. If you watch the videos, she was literally not allowed to gather her belongings that went throu X-ray or talk to anyone. They held her in the glass case for nearly 2 hours without any communication except for a threat of being arrested. Maybe there is more to the story with audio, but wow. And this is why I thought it was so outrageous. She requested it not go through the xray and go through the additional screening instead... but TSA didn't honor their own rules.... |
| 2010-11-29 3:57 PM in reply to: #3229344 |
| Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far LostSheep - 2010-11-29 3:54 PM DerekL - 2010-11-29 3:48 PM lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:41 PM No, from what I gleaned... she was fine with it being inspected, just not being sent through X-ray (which she claims, at the time this happened, was clearly within the rules she was carrying with her). The whole process is admittedly ridiculous, but I still don't see where this exemption from x-ray screening is coming from. I read the link and the TSA rules and don't see it anywhere. Maybe we have different interpretations, but #3 sorta spells it out (to me at least): When traveling with your infant or toddler, in the absence of suspicious activity or items, greater than 3 ounces of baby formula, breast milk, or juice are permitted through the security checkpoint in reasonable quantities for the duration of your itinerary, if you perform the following:
#3 only says that it's subject to additional screening and doesn't mention a word about being exempt from x-ray screening. I have no idea how you interpreted it that way. Having said that, what clears it up is the statement that it's treated like a liquid medication and then reading the medication page. |
| 2010-11-29 4:13 PM in reply to: #3229347 |
| Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far DerekL - 2010-11-29 3:55 PM Ok, I've gone and read more. This is confusing. The link to the milk/formula page doesn't say anything about being exempt from x-rays if requested, but it does state that it's treated as a medication. I went to the medication page that says that you can request alternate inspection for liquid medications, so she is correct, and I stand corrected. X2. The more I read on the TSA site, the more confusing it gets. Apparently it's now ok again to bring lighters on a plane, which I didn't know. I remember when they were banned, but they've been allowed since 2007, which is also when they decided that you didn't need to have a kid with you to bring breast milk on the plane, which used to be the case. |
| 2010-11-29 4:22 PM in reply to: #3229352 |
| Master 1404 Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far DerekL - 2010-11-29 2:57 PM LostSheep - 2010-11-29 3:54 PM DerekL - 2010-11-29 3:48 PM lisac957 - 2010-11-29 3:41 PM No, from what I gleaned... she was fine with it being inspected, just not being sent through X-ray (which she claims, at the time this happened, was clearly within the rules she was carrying with her). The whole process is admittedly ridiculous, but I still don't see where this exemption from x-ray screening is coming from. I read the link and the TSA rules and don't see it anywhere. Maybe we have different interpretations, but #3 sorta spells it out (to me at least): When traveling with your infant or toddler, in the absence of suspicious activity or items, greater than 3 ounces of baby formula, breast milk, or juice are permitted through the security checkpoint in reasonable quantities for the duration of your itinerary, if you perform the following:
#3 only says that it's subject to additional screening and doesn't mention a word about being exempt from x-ray screening. I have no idea how you interpreted it that way. Having said that, what clears it up is the statement that it's treated like a liquid medication and then reading the medication page. TSA should change the word additional to alternate. Additional makes it sound like it gets x-rayed plus another type of inspection. Although you could have it x-rayed and be done with it. Edited by gerald12 2010-11-29 4:25 PM |
| 2010-11-29 4:41 PM in reply to: #3229140 |
| Veteran 327 Madison, | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far Simple answer, if you don't like the rules don't fly. Take the train, drive or take a bus. Look at it form the TSA's point of view. Lady tries to go through security with "breast milk" and no kid. Why should they hold up everyone else when this person is obviously trying to cause problems? Ok, flame away for not being sympathetic to this person. I fly 100k-200k miles per year and there is always some idiot who is trying to push the rules as far as possible. With all my travel I have only had to go through the full body scanners a few times and as long as I treat the TSA agents with respect they do the same. |
| 2010-11-29 5:00 PM in reply to: #3229399 |
| Elite 3090 Spokane, WA | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far melle - 2010-11-29 4:41 PM Simple answer, if you don't like the rules don't fly. Take the train, drive or take a bus. Look at it form the TSA's point of view. Lady tries to go through security with "breast milk" and no kid. Why should they hold up everyone else when this person is obviously trying to cause problems? Ok, flame away for not being sympathetic to this person. I fly 100k-200k miles per year and there is always some idiot who is trying to push the rules as far as possible. With all my travel I have only had to go through the full body scanners a few times and as long as I treat the TSA agents with respect they do the same. You know, I'm with you. I think this is no big deal. Haven't seen the video because youtube's blocked at work, but sounds like she was being big drama queen--with her filming her horrible mistreatment. I'm not sure the problem with x-raying the milk either. Has that been proven to be dangerous? I mean if you have food in your carry on it gets x-rayed.
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| 2010-11-29 5:02 PM in reply to: #3229399 |
| Master 1404 Saratoga Springs, Utah | Subject: RE: TSA has gone too far melle - 2010-11-29 3:41 PM Simple answer, if you don't like the rules don't fly. Take the train, drive or take a bus. t knLook at it form the TSA's point of view. Lady tries to go through security with "breast milk" and no kid. Why should they hold up everyone else when this person is obviously trying to cause problems? Ok, flame away for not being sympathetic to this person. I fly 100k-200k miles per year and there is always some idiot who is trying to push the rules as far as possible. With all my travel I have only had to go through the full body scanners a few times and as long as I treat the TSA agents with respect they do the same. I do not know about that bolded part but I understand the rest. |
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