Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery
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2010-12-27 10:44 PM |
Member 58 portland oregon | Subject: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery My wife is lactose intolerant and a consistent runner who always has chocolate soy milk in the fridge. It lasts longer than regular milk and she makes sure it's always there. Is it an equal to low fat cows milk as a recovery drink? Did a couple googles and then came here... |
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2010-12-28 2:42 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Veteran 195 NAF Atsugi Japan,Medford OR. | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery Well, the reason why most running magazines and nutritionists agree that chocolate milk is a great recovery tool is because it is high in protein, vitamins, low in fat, and the sugar helps transport those nutrients through insulin elevation for optimal post workout recovery. I wouldn't consume high amounts of soy protein for men (way, casein, or meat proteins are better) but a glass now and then won't hurt. I also use Muscle Milk light protein shakes 3-4 times a week after tough workouts, it tastes great and it's lactose free! Edited by thecatch83 2010-12-28 2:43 AM |
2010-12-28 3:00 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery What he said. Soy milk lacks everything that makes regular chocolate milk so good and so good for you It's just like egg beaters.... no calories but lacks everything that makes eggs good. In general, lower-caloric "replacements" are just for taste (like that 100-calorie peanut butter). |
2010-12-28 7:52 AM in reply to: #3263884 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery GatorDeb - 2010-12-28 1:00 AM What he said. Soy milk lacks everything that makes regular chocolate milk so good and so good for you It's just like egg beaters.... no calories but lacks everything that makes eggs good. In general, lower-caloric "replacements" are just for taste (like that 100-calorie peanut butter). What is it lacking exactly? In comparison to regular chocolate milk that is. |
2010-12-28 8:02 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery Protein, for one. Soy milk has almost no protein. |
2010-12-28 8:07 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery danjstark - 2010-12-27 11:44 PM My wife is lactose intolerant and a consistent runner who always has chocolate soy milk in the fridge. It lasts longer than regular milk and she makes sure it's always there. Is it an equal to low fat cows milk as a recovery drink? Did a couple googles and then came here... Well, if she's a consistent runner, and been doing this for a while, I'd say that yes, they seem to be equal. |
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2010-12-28 8:14 AM in reply to: #3263884 |
Extreme Veteran 555 | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery GatorDeb - 2010-12-28 4:00 AM What he said. Soy milk lacks everything that makes regular chocolate milk so good and so good for you are you referring to the B.G.H. (Bovine growth hormones), anti-biotics, and puss that are found in cows milk? |
2010-12-28 8:18 AM in reply to: #3264003 |
Member 94 | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery According to nutritiondata, 1 cup of 1% milk has 10 g protein. The soy milk in my fridge has 6 g per cup. Another comparison is that 2 tablespoons of peanut butter has about 8 g. So, soy milk doesn't have as much protein as milk, but it has almost as much as a serving of peanut butter. I guess that means it's probably not the "ideal" recovery food, but it has its advantages (lactose intolerant can drink it and it keeps longer). |
2010-12-28 9:41 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery I guess this chocolate milk 'recovery' thing is quickly becoming a pet peeve of mine. I'll try not to sound testy. If you read the studies on this, you'll find that they have been blown WAY out of proportion by the media. First, generally the comparison is between chocolate milk and a carbohydrate recovery drink, or between choc milk and a sports drink, or between choc milk and nothing. There are other options in the grocery store... Second, typically choc milk 'performs' as well as, not better than, the comparison. Third, 'perform' is often defined in ways that make the studies' relevance to us (as endurance athletes) very questionable. (Two examples: in one study it was defined in terms of performance in a cycle to exhaustion test 4 hours after the initial bout of exercise. Unless you do races where you take a four hour break and then start up again, this effect is not necessarily relevant. In another the test was more long-term, but effectiveness was defined in terms of the levels of creatine kinase in the muscles, where choc milk fared slightly better, but there were no truly performance-related differences at all--muscular strength, time to fatigue, etc., were the same.) Bottom line: Choc milk is better than nothing, and probably as good as 'engineered' carbohydrate recovery drinks. And I'd bet dollars to donuts that choc soy milk is just as good. It is not nutritionally 'empty' as one post suggested. In fact, if you compare their nutritional profiles, they are remarkably similar, though the type of protein is indeed different. Just eating a decent snack or meal is probably better than all of the above. Try some nuts and a piece of fruit. Edited by Experior 2010-12-28 9:44 AM |
2010-12-28 9:48 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Deep in the Heart of Texas | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery The HEB grocery stores in Texas carry a lactose free milk, Mootopia, which comes in both regular skim and 2% chocolate. I like milk from cows. If I want soy, I'll have miso soup. |
2010-12-28 9:54 AM in reply to: #3264003 |
Expert 1249 MI | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery GatorDeb - 2010-12-28 9:02 AM Protein, for one. Soy milk has almost no protein. Soy milk has 6g of protein per serving. Regular milk has 8. To me that is not almost none. As for the "chocolate milk as a recovery drink" thing. I think it's more out of convenience than anything... I for one have never thought to compare it to "real" recovery drinks. It's just another post-workout option for me. |
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2010-12-28 10:17 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Extreme Veteran 959 Greenwood, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery Soy milk can screw up hormones for some men and women. I like white Milk but to each their own. |
2010-12-28 10:25 AM in reply to: #3264220 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery Experior - 2010-12-28 9:41 AMI guess this chocolate milk 'recovery' thing is quickly becoming a pet peeve of mine. I'll try not to sound testy. Excellent post. If you read the studies on this, you'll find that they have been blown WAY out of proportion by the media. First, generally the comparison is between chocolate milk and a carbohydrate recovery drink, or between choc milk and a sports drink, or between choc milk and nothing. There are other options in the grocery store... Second, typically choc milk 'performs' as well as, not better than, the comparison. Third, 'perform' is often defined in ways that make the studies' relevance to us (as endurance athletes) very questionable. (Two examples: in one study it was defined in terms of performance in a cycle to exhaustion test 4 hours after the initial bout of exercise. Unless you do races where you take a four hour break and then start up again, this effect is not necessarily relevant. In another the test was more long-term, but effectiveness was defined in terms of the levels of creatine kinase in the muscles, where choc milk fared slightly better, but there were no truly performance-related differences at all--muscular strength, time to fatigue, etc., were the same.) Bottom line: Choc milk is better than nothing, and probably as good as 'engineered' carbohydrate recovery drinks. And I'd bet dollars to donuts that choc soy milk is just as good. It is not nutritionally 'empty' as one post suggested. In fact, if you compare their nutritional profiles, they are remarkably similar, though the type of protein is indeed different. Just eating a decent snack or meal is probably better than all of the above. Try some nuts and a piece of fruit. |
2010-12-28 10:26 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
136 | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery South Park has already said everything I feel the need to say about the use of soy products if they are not in fact mandated by your body. |
2010-12-28 10:45 AM in reply to: #3263800 |
Extreme Veteran 454 Torrance/Carson | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery I have a question. Why chocolate milk and not regular milk? I'm being honest. I didn't even know about chocolate milk being used until it was offered after the Long Beach HM I did. I'm still not sure why they didn't offer white milk as well. |
2010-12-28 10:58 AM in reply to: #3264362 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery tophermcdougall - 2010-12-28 11:45 AM I have a question. Why chocolate milk and not regular milk? I'm being honest. I didn't even know about chocolate milk being used until it was offered after the Long Beach HM I did. I'm still not sure why they didn't offer white milk as well. Sugar. |
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2010-12-28 11:07 AM in reply to: #3264309 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery |
2010-12-28 11:37 AM in reply to: #3264418 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery bryancd - 2010-12-28 12:07 PM X3 Great post Mike. I also fatigue from the never ending chocolat milk hype. You're thinking too hard, too often. Think easier, you'll recover better, and no need to worry about chocolate milk. |
2010-12-28 12:36 PM in reply to: #3263800 |
Extreme Veteran 790 Rocklin | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery I use a protein drink, but often just go with chocolate milk because it tastes good, has the protein and sugars I need, is lowfat, and cheap. Mostly cheap since I don't like paying top dollar for supplements I already have available to me. One gallon of milk -- $3.49 One chocolate milk mix -- $3.00 16 servings for $6.50 -- 41 cents per serving. Cheap and effective...and tastes oh so good. |
2010-12-28 1:19 PM in reply to: #3264585 |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery aggiecatcher - 2010-12-28 12:36 PM I use a protein drink, but often just go with chocolate milk because it tastes good, has the protein and sugars I need, is lowfat, and cheap. Mostly cheap since I don't like paying top dollar for supplements I already have available to me. One gallon of milk -- $3.49 One chocolate milk mix -- $3.00 16 servings for $6.50 -- 41 cents per serving. Cheap and effective...and tastes oh so good. x2 on the cost. I buy milk at Costco or Aldi, skim milk there is only $2.14 a gallon, ten-fifteen cents more for 2%. Choc. syrup for less than $2.00 a bottle. That puts cost/serving less than 30 cents per serving. Cost to performance ratio is quite good IMO. |
2010-12-28 1:22 PM in reply to: #3264299 |
Extreme Veteran 374 Hoboken, NJ | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery I've heard this too. Part of the issue (as I heard it) was that in traditional Asian diets they actually consumed a relatively small amount of soy but now that it's been commercialized and marketed as a meat substitute, cheap filler, etc., the amount folks could end up ingesting is much, much higher. Coupla Links: http://reliableanswers.com/med/soy.asp http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm |
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2010-12-28 2:46 PM in reply to: #3263800 |
Elite 2645 Phoenix, AZ | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery I own 1% of a soy bean farm. Drink it up, people! |
2010-12-28 3:31 PM in reply to: #3264585 |
New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery i always grind up a pound of liver into my soy chocolate milk, lots of protein. |
2010-12-28 3:34 PM in reply to: #3264928 |
Elite 2645 Phoenix, AZ | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery jsklarz - 2010-12-28 1:31 PM i always grind up a pound of liver into my soy chocolate milk, lots of protein. filter organ! |
2010-12-29 12:39 AM in reply to: #3264928 |
Veteran 195 NAF Atsugi Japan,Medford OR. | Subject: RE: Chocolate Milk or Chocolate Soy Milk for Recovery I think also with the taste of chocolate milk, you are more likely to drink it than regular milk. All diary is not paleo approved so I'm cheating every time I drink it but I don't care because I need protein in my diet. Edited by thecatch83 2010-12-29 12:44 AM |
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