Newton Founder a Heel-Striker?
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2011-01-13 11:10 AM |
Regular 244 Jupiter, FL | Subject: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Newton's designed to prevent (or at least to discourage) heel-striking? I just saw this video that seems to show the founder of Newton running landing heels first. I noticed it in the intro, but then around the 50 second mark they zoom in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8vOxFkFpJM |
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2011-01-13 11:13 AM in reply to: #3297184 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? He does not look like a heel striker to me. |
2011-01-13 11:17 AM in reply to: #3297204 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? |
2011-01-13 11:24 AM in reply to: #3297184 |
Regular 244 Jupiter, FL | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Like I said, I could be wrong, but it's how it looked to me and was surprised. Hard to slow down youtube, but these are the best shots I could get. |
2011-01-13 11:29 AM in reply to: #3297184 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. |
2011-01-13 11:32 AM in reply to: #3297268 |
Regular 244 Jupiter, FL | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:29 PM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. |
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2011-01-13 11:33 AM in reply to: #3297268 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:29 PM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. Respectfully disagree. What you are describing as heel striking is what is called over-striding. Over-striding can involve any part of the foot landing first. Heel striking is generally defined as having the heel take the majority of the force of landing. Ultimately, the heel always touches the ground. |
2011-01-13 11:36 AM in reply to: #3297291 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Scout7 - 2011-01-13 12:33 PM Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:29 PM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. Respectfully disagree. What you are describing as heel striking is what is called over-striding. Over-striding can involve any part of the foot landing first. Heel striking is generally defined as having the heel take the majority of the force of landing. Ultimately, the heel always touches the ground.A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. I believe we are discussing the same thing in the end, but I would like to see anybody 'overstride' and land on anything other than their heel. I describe heel, forefoot, midfoot striking as the first thing to touch the ground, whilst it's below your center of gravity. But as I said previously, I believe we are talking around the same point ultimately. |
2011-01-13 11:39 AM in reply to: #3297306 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:36 PM Scout7 - 2011-01-13 12:33 PM Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:29 PM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. Respectfully disagree. What you are describing as heel striking is what is called over-striding. Over-striding can involve any part of the foot landing first. Heel striking is generally defined as having the heel take the majority of the force of landing. Ultimately, the heel always touches the ground.A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. I believe we are discussing the same thing in the end, but I would like to see anybody 'overstride' and land on anything other than their heel. I describe heel, forefoot, midfoot striking as the first thing to touch the ground, whilst it's below your center of gravity. But as I said previously, I believe we are talking around the same point ultimately. Probably. But Newtons don't prevent overstriding. No shoe (as far as I know) prevents it. What they do is try to get you to run in a specific manner, that may or may not work for the individual in question. Best way to stop overstriding and get your feet to land under your center of gravity: Run more. |
2011-01-13 11:47 AM in reply to: #3297313 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Scout7 - 2011-01-13 12:39 PM Best way to stop overstriding and get your feet to land under your center of gravity: Run more. Winner!! |
2011-01-13 11:53 AM in reply to: #3297313 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Scout7 - 2011-01-13 10:39 AM Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:36 PM Scout7 - 2011-01-13 12:33 PM Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:29 PM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. Respectfully disagree. What you are describing as heel striking is what is called over-striding. Over-striding can involve any part of the foot landing first. Heel striking is generally defined as having the heel take the majority of the force of landing. Ultimately, the heel always touches the ground.A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. I believe we are discussing the same thing in the end, but I would like to see anybody 'overstride' and land on anything other than their heel. I describe heel, forefoot, midfoot striking as the first thing to touch the ground, whilst it's below your center of gravity. But as I said previously, I believe we are talking around the same point ultimately. Probably. But Newtons don't prevent overstriding. No shoe (as far as I know) prevents it. What they do is try to get you to run in a specific manner, that may or may not work for the individual in question. Best way to stop overstriding and get your feet to land under your center of gravity: Run more. Yeah, thanks to Netwon's clever markerting, they have managed to confuse people into confusing heel striking with overstriding, the heel absorbing the body weight, and the heel touching the ground first all as the same thing when they certainly are not. The first two are undesireable, the third is not but Netwon sure makes that hard to comprehend. |
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2011-01-13 11:54 AM in reply to: #3297268 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 11:29 AM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. On that same note, i would like to see someone who can heel strike under there COG....Don't think so |
2011-01-13 11:55 AM in reply to: #3297184 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? scottuf - 2011-01-13 11:10 AM Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Newton's designed to prevent (or at least to discourage) heel-striking? I just saw this video that seems to show the founder of Newton running landing heels first. I noticed it in the intro, but then around the 50 second mark they zoom in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8vOxFkFpJM I can't tell for sure but given the vast majority of runners heel-strike at the point of contact, in particular at lower speeds, I wouldn't be surprised. Edited by JorgeM 2011-01-13 12:09 PM |
2011-01-13 11:56 AM in reply to: #3297184 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? I think it's important not to muddle the descriptive waters by saying that heel-striking and overstriding are the same thing. True that you can't overstride and not heel strike. But you can land heel first with your wieght under your center of gravity. You can also touch heel first, but by the time your body weight is taken by your foot you may have rolled forward to your mid/forefoot. I think this video shows someone who's heel strikes first, but takes the weight on his midfoot under his center of gravity. |
2011-01-13 11:57 AM in reply to: #3297363 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? ballyard7 - 2011-01-13 12:54 PM Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 11:29 AM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. On that same note, i would like to see someone who can heel strike under there COG....Don't think so I do it. Many elite runners do it. In fact, probably 80% of the running population heel strikes. |
2011-01-13 11:58 AM in reply to: #3297375 |
Regular 244 Jupiter, FL | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? AdventureBear - 2011-01-13 12:56 PMI think it's important not to muddle the descriptive waters by saying that heel-striking and overstriding are the same thing. True that you can't overstride and not heel strike. But you can land heel first with your wieght under your center of gravity. You can also touch heel first, but by the time your body weight is taken by your foot you may have rolled forward to your mid/forefoot. I think this video shows someone who's heel strikes first, but takes the weight on his midfoot under his center of gravity. so I'm not the only one who saw that. I was starting to think I was seeing things. what got me was going to the Newton website and seeing the animations of the little stick figures running and the founder's running style not matching. I guess it is just marketing like Bryan said. Edited by scottuf 2011-01-13 12:03 PM |
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2011-01-13 1:03 PM in reply to: #3297184 |
Extreme Veteran 635 Georgia | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? I'm sure this has gone around before but I just found it , kind of interesting about impact force being the same. http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2010/01/why-running-shoes-do-not-wo... |
2011-01-13 1:12 PM in reply to: #3297184 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Forget the heel strike...did they have a monkey doing the camera work on that one? |
2011-01-13 3:01 PM in reply to: #3297184 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Is it me or does Newton almost encourage over-striding (for people that don't know how to run in them)? The ball is so much lower than traditional shoes that you heel would hit later just because of the shape. |
2011-01-13 3:11 PM in reply to: #3297291 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Scout7 - 2011-01-13 9:33 AM Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 12:29 PM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. Respectfully disagree. What you are describing as heel striking is what is called over-striding. Over-striding can involve any part of the foot landing first. Heel striking is generally defined as having the heel take the majority of the force of landing. Ultimately, the heel always touches the ground.A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. What Scout said. Academic studies that have classified runners by footstrike pay no attention to where relative to the vertical axis of the body the footstrike happens...they are looking at exactly what Scout describes: What part of the foot absorbs the initial impact of the footstrike. Heel strike is not the same thing as overstriding. The former is the norm (60% plus in one study) among elite distance runners...the latter is a counterproductive form issue. |
2011-01-13 3:19 PM in reply to: #3297904 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? jgerbodegrant - 2011-01-13 1:01 PM Is it me or does Newton almost encourage over-striding (for people that don't know how to run in them)? The ball is so much lower than traditional shoes that you heel would hit later just because of the shape. The idea is that the shoe gets out of the way, so when you do your normal amount of plantar flexion during your normal gate, you don't hit the heel of the shoe on the ground. |
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2011-01-13 4:00 PM in reply to: #3297184 |
Master 3127 Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? I can only imagine if someone had caught this poor guy on video running barefoot. |
2011-01-13 5:58 PM in reply to: #3297949 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? briderdt - 2011-01-13 4:19 PM jgerbodegrant - 2011-01-13 1:01 PM Is it me or does Newton almost encourage over-striding (for people that don't know how to run in them)? The ball is so much lower than traditional shoes that you heel would hit later just because of the shape. The idea is that the shoe gets out of the way, so when you do your normal amount of plantar flexion during your normal gate, you don't hit the heel of the shoe on the ground. Yeah...I guess I understand that. I have also seen people overstriding and pointing their toe to land on the ball of their foot. Go ahead and try that...it'll give you a sore leg for a week. |
2011-01-13 6:21 PM in reply to: #3297383 |
Champion 5781 Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Newton Founder a Heel-Striker? Scout7 - 2011-01-13 9:57 AM ballyard7 - 2011-01-13 12:54 PM I do it. Many elite runners do it. In fact, probably 80% of the running population heel strikes.Marvarnett - 2011-01-13 11:29 AM I can't see the pictures or get to the You-Tube link at work, but landing on your heel first does NOT make you a heel-striker. A majority of professional runners land heel first. What makes one a heel-striker is if they strike with their heel first in FRONT of their body. If you strike with your weigh over the top of your foot, you can strike where you please. The whole Newton thing is about letting you feel this under your body and you can feel the lugs compress into your forefoot. On that same note, i would like to see someone who can heel strike under there COG....Don't think so I do as well. The actual figure from a Japanese video study was around 73% of participants in a half marathon, IIRC, over 60% of the elites in the race. Only about 2% were forefoot strikers. |