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 2011-01-24 3:39 PM |
Extreme Veteran  392   Raleigh |  Subject: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and HumansI have A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Pit Bulls of People from Being a Burden to their Owners or the United States, and for Making them Beneficial to the Public at Large... EAT THEM. I had to start a new thread because I was getting annoyed at the direction and content of the former thread. I currently own and have owned two other full bred American Pit Bull Terriers. All came from VERY HIGH breeding. Jeep, Honeybunch, Nigerino, Frisco, and Chinaman to name a few of their parents. It is not the BREED but the individual who owns them that WILL PRODUCE a bad dog. Watch this video to see what became of the Michael Vick dogs... http://video.pbs.org/video/1757336290 (this aired on PBS last week) I have been around at least 150 full bred pit bulls (off leash no less) in my lifetime and have never been attacked or had any issue that was not identical to any other breed. I could go into all of the myths about pit bulls being this psychotic breed of killers, or the history of how the breed has come to this level of ignorance in the world, and even the history of the breed and its role/ association within our society... but I just don't have the energy to type it all out. Let just say it would take me HOURS. If anyone is interested, PM me and I can give you a list of websites to gather additional information about this misunderstood breed that will hopefully enlighten you to the breed. Who knows you may come to love as I do and see them as the perfect athlete that gets used by unscrupulous people. TIA Ken Edited by bullyboy 2011-01-24 3:44 PM (dakids.jpg) Attachments ---------------- dakids.jpg (92KB - 3 downloads) |
| 2011-01-24 3:43 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Pro 6767   the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans They look delicious! |
| 2011-01-24 3:50 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans You'll get nothing but support from me, as I am a full supporter of "ban the deed, not the breed". Irresponsible animal ownership is a scourge, and damaging to animals and people alike. I am also the owner of a dog who is threatened by BSL. |
| 2011-01-24 3:52 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans bullyboy - 2011-01-24 3:39 PM I have A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Pit Bulls of People from Being a Burden to their Owners or the United States, and for Making them Beneficial to the Public at Large... EAT THEM. Huh? |
| 2011-01-24 3:59 PM in reply to: #3318917 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans gearboy - 2011-01-25 4:43 AM They look delicious! Cackling out loud!!!! I don't actually have a problem with eating pit bulls. Or cats. I've got two nice ones, and they're getting plumper! I do think banning certain breeds for the reason that they disproportionately cause more harm than others is akin to banning a make of gun because more violent criminals favor it ... or choosing not to manufacture a drug because it is sometimes used to execute people. That said, I'd say most dog owners suck at being dog owners (that is, more than 50%). Almost all the people I work with are on the better end of being dog owners (minority) and most of them I wouldn't trust to own any of the bully breeds or traditional/commonly used guarding dogs. Nobody's got any easy answers. |
| 2011-01-24 4:00 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Extreme Veteran 799 | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans I bet their skin could also make great gloves, so hopefully we don't throw that away when preparing them as food. |
| 2011-01-24 4:15 PM in reply to: #3318929 |
Extreme Veteran 392 Raleigh | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans to LisaC957 Jonathan Swift wrote in 1729 "A Modest Proposal" about dealing with the children of the poor in Ireland. He stated that the solution would be to eat the children. the essay can be found here: http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html by the way it was a satirical essay that was totally misunderstood by the masses. Edited by bullyboy 2011-01-24 4:18 PM |
| 2011-01-24 4:15 PM in reply to: #3318944 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans jmcconne - 2011-01-25 5:00 AM I bet their skin could also make great gloves, so hopefully we don't throw that away when preparing them as food. Okay, Cruella de Vil  |
| 2011-01-24 4:19 PM in reply to: #3318929 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans lisac957 - 2011-01-24 3:52 PM bullyboy - 2011-01-24 3:39 PM I have A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Pit Bulls of People from Being a Burden to their Owners or the United States, and for Making them Beneficial to the Public at Large... EAT THEM. Huh? Historical Satire: |
| 2011-01-25 12:04 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Elite 3519 San Jose, CA | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans My problem, as an apartment manager who is in the middle of a law suit because of a pit bull attack, how can I tell the good owners from the bad. The woman in question, had two dogs, I met one of them ahead of time and he was very well behaved and was considered a service animal. She snuck the other one in that then had puppies...that dog was crazy aggressive...would charge at anyone and everyone except the owner. We didn't have a breed restriction on the property before this, but we do now, but not just Pits...there are other dogs as well. For what its worth, I allowed the dogs before, because I have the same thought as you...it is the owner, but the owner of the property doesn't want to take a chance anymore. |
| 2011-01-25 12:18 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Master 1433 Calgary, AB Silver member | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans There are many good owners who have had their PBs just snap on them. It's not a statistical certainty by any stretch, but it's not something you can just ignore. People have tigers or bears for pets. A lot are just fine - but there's a higher risk with those "wilder" animals than a scottish terrier. I'd be pretty uncomfortable with my kid in the backyard and my next door neighbour having a few jaguars roaming around, chained or not. I'd be fine with laws that treat the dogs as weapons. Your dog attacks someone, you face criminal charges no different than if you'd used a firearm. Then we'd see some more owner responsibility. |
| 2011-01-25 12:24 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Extreme Veteran 1260 Miami | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans All dogs are perfectly capable of inflicting damage if they are trained to fight. The problem with Pitbulls is that no matter how gently they are, what wonderful family pets they make, they will never be able to have the stigma of being fight dogs removed. I have a friend that is working on having the Dangerous Dog Law in Florida changed and also fighting against Breed Specific Ban. For those of you who love animals I recommend this site http://www.dangerousdoglaw.com The guy that runs it is a friend of mine, and retired attorney, who is doing all the work and challenger pro bono. He and his wife are the parents of 6 dogs, all of them rescued… |
| 2011-01-25 1:39 PM in reply to: #3320687 |
Extreme Veteran 392 Raleigh | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans Khyron - 2011-01-25 12:18 PM There are many good owners who have had their PBs just snap on them. It's not a statistical certainty by any stretch, but it's not something you can just ignore. People have tigers or bears for pets. A lot are just fine - but there's a higher risk with those "wilder" animals than a scottish terrier. I'd be pretty uncomfortable with my kid in the backyard and my next door neighbour having a few jaguars roaming around, chained or not. I'd be fine with laws that treat the dogs as weapons. Your dog attacks someone, you face criminal charges no different than if you'd used a firearm. Then we'd see some more owner responsibility. I have to disagree with the MANY adjective above. Coming from a statistical mindset... how many do you personally know that have turned on their owner. Not just "my brother's friend's fiance" variety. I am sure someone could do a study and research records of "snapped APBT's" to compare against the number of "non-snapped APBT's" but I doubt anyone has the time or money to invest in such a study. So... Eric Harris and Dylon Klebold just "snapped" one day in Colorado and killed 13 and injured 21... Jared Loughner just "snapped" in Arizona and killed 6 and injured 12. Is it justifiable to use your standpoint of "it's not something you can just ignore" and start treating the youth of America as weapons? |
| 2011-01-25 1:52 PM in reply to: #3320646 |
Extreme Veteran 392 Raleigh | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans runningwoof - 2011-01-25 12:04 PM My problem, as an apartment manager who is in the middle of a law suit because of a pit bull attack, how can I tell the good owners from the bad. The woman in question, had two dogs, I met one of them ahead of time and he was very well behaved and was considered a service animal. She snuck the other one in that then had puppies...that dog was crazy aggressive...would charge at anyone and everyone except the owner. We didn't have a breed restriction on the property before this, but we do now, but not just Pits...there are other dogs as well. For what its worth, I allowed the dogs before, because I have the same thought as you...it is the owner, but the owner of the property doesn't want to take a chance anymore. I understand the company and your position of not wanting to take the chance of further legal issues. I find it unfortunate that you all are being held responsible for a negligent owner. I truly hope the individuals hurt by the dog are ok and have no serious medical issues, but due to the lawsuit I assume that this is not the case. I hope the owner of the dog is severely punished for their lack of responsibility. I know hindsight is 20/20 but it would have been great if a policy existed that would have gotten her evicted based on the aggressive nature of the dog or the fact that she had an unapproved/ additional pet. |
| 2011-01-25 2:02 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Veteran 266 Cincinnati | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans I am a complete and utter Pit supporter. The only reason I don't have one is because my terrier and beagle would gang up on it.I'm not joking! |
| 2011-01-25 2:31 PM in reply to: #3320687 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans Khyron - 2011-01-25 12:18 PM There are many good owners who have had their PBs just snap on them. It's not a statistical certainty by any stretch, but it's not something you can just ignore. Who are these "many good owners"? Where are you getting your statistics? Attacking or biting or showing aggression to their owner is very directly contradictory to breed for an AmStaff or APBT. And this includes fighting dogs. "Maneaters"--fighting dogs who turned on their handlers--were typically destroyed. AmStaffs/APBTs and many other working breed dogs are bred to be gentle and responsive with their families. They can be animal aggressive (and again, that term is nebulous, and encomapsses many degrees), but should NOT be people aggressive. |
| 2011-01-25 2:40 PM in reply to: #3320701 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans Society has a cycle of vilifying certain breeds. It comes and it goes. Right now, it's pits. In the past, it's been dobies, GSDs, etc. Pitties were popular family pets for a long, long time--one of the most decorated war dogs is a Pit. Hellen Keller owned a pit (and an akita--another breed frequently banned as "dangerous"). Hopefully, through responsible ownership, widespread education, and good doggy citizen representatives, the stigma will move off of them again. |
| 2011-01-25 3:08 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Veteran 458 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans bullyboy - 2011-01-24 3:39 PM I could go into all of the myths about pit bulls being this psychotic breed of killers, or the history of how the breed has come to this level of ignorance in the world, and even the history of the breed and its role/ association within our society... but I just don't have the energy to type it all out. Let just say it would take me HOURS. TIA Ken Sigh....I probably shouldn't even get into this argument. First, Ken, your pitties are A-D-O-R-A-B-L-E!! Second, I hope others can refrain from spreading the myth that Pit Bulls "just snap". What???? That's pure ridiculousness. Third, I really do feel bad for property owners that get caught in the middle of this debate - I can see your dilemma. Finally, let's just be clear that there are good and bad dogs of every breed, and there are tons of irresponsible dog owners out there that ultimately ARE responsible for the problem. I'm a veterinarian. Pit Bulls are the least of my worries regarding their interactions with people. Can they be more dog aggressive (meaning aggressive toward other dogs) than the average breed? Absolutely. Are they more aggressive to people than any other breed? Absolutely not. I've been bitten twice in 11 years - once by a labrador and once by a cocker spaniel. The labs I see these days are much more unpredictable and scary than the pits. This week I saw a one year old Vizsla that required a basket muzzle to be touched - all screaming, lunging, and alligator rolling when handled. Totally a dangerous dog. I am much more likely to get snapped at by a Bichon, Min Pin, or Springer Spaniel than a Pit Bull. Here's a letter to the editor to a Madison Newspaper (written by me and published) regarding my feelings on this issue: All dogs are capable of biting, regardless of breed or background. The Wisconsin State Journal’s recent articles and photos |
| 2011-01-25 3:11 PM in reply to: #3321068 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans mmrocker13 - 2011-01-25 2:40 PM Hopefully, through responsible ownership, widespread education, and good doggy citizen representatives, the stigma will move off of them again. And then when pigs fly we wouldn't have to read about stuff like this, there is just too large a segment of society that will never be responsible, I'm as much a libertarian as most but the cost in human pain and suffering often of innocent victims and especially children tips the scales in my opinion: Pit-bull attacks in San Bernardino County MARCH 2006: TWENTYNINE PALMS - Four pit-bull mixes escape from a fenced yard and attack a 15-year-old boy walking by. He had huge chunks of skin ripped away and required two surgeries to reattach the skin. FEBRUARY 2005: YUCAIPA - A woman walking near Seventh Street Park is attacked from behind by a pit bull. She scares it away by throwing dirt in its eyes before it can bite her. AUGUST 2004: LOMA LINDA - A 6-year-old boy wanders into a woman's home. Her pit bull attacks him, biting him on his head, back, stomach and arm. AUGUST 2003: A police officer shoots and kills a pit bull that severely mauls a 72-year-old woman after escaping from its yard. The woman suffers serious bites on her left leg. DECEMBER 2001: FONTANA - A pit bull attacks a boy who is riding his skateboard down the sidewalk. When a man tries to intervene, the pit bull turns on him. Both victims suffer major injuries. JUNE 2000: SAN BERNARDINO - A 5-year-old boy is walking to school with his older brother when a pit bull attacks him, breaking the right side of his jaw. APRIL 2000: NEWBERRY SPRINGS - A 10-year-old boy dies after a pit bull attacks him while he walks down the road with a friend. |
| 2011-01-25 3:25 PM in reply to: #3321140 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans There will always be idiots and yayhoos. they will always own "status" dogs. My point is, pits are that dog right now. Decades ago, it was dobermans, or... etc etc etc. Here's a nice collection of articles citing dog bites from news sources around the country: It's an interesting read. |
| 2011-01-25 3:54 PM in reply to: #3321168 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans mmrocker13 - 2011-01-25 3:25 PM There will always be idiots and yayhoos. they will always own "status" dogs. My point is, pits are that dog right now. Decades ago, it was dobermans, or... etc etc etc. Here's a nice collection of articles citing dog bites from news sources around the country: It's an interesting read. I appreciate that and am not trying to be inflammatory. I just envision my 5 year son, who is the world to me, possibling being in one of these articles and I'd do anything not to see that happen. |
| 2011-01-25 4:04 PM in reply to: #3321140 |
Extreme Veteran 392 Raleigh | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans popsracer - 2011-01-25 3:11 PM mmrocker13 - 2011-01-25 2:40 PM Hopefully, through responsible ownership, widespread education, and good doggy citizen representatives, the stigma will move off of them again. And then when pigs fly we wouldn't have to read about stuff like this, there is just too large a segment of society that will never be responsible, I'm as much a libertarian as most but the cost in human pain and suffering often of innocent victims and especially children tips the scales in my opinion: Pit-bull attacks in San Bernardino County MARCH 2006: TWENTYNINE PALMS - Four pit-bull mixes escape from a fenced yard and attack a 15-year-old boy walking by. He had huge chunks of skin ripped away and required two surgeries to reattach the skin. FEBRUARY 2005: YUCAIPA - A woman walking near Seventh Street Park is attacked from behind by a pit bull. She scares it away by throwing dirt in its eyes before it can bite her. AUGUST 2004: LOMA LINDA - A 6-year-old boy wanders into a woman's home. Her pit bull attacks him, biting him on his head, back, stomach and arm. AUGUST 2003: A police officer shoots and kills a pit bull that severely mauls a 72-year-old woman after escaping from its yard. The woman suffers serious bites on her left leg. DECEMBER 2001: FONTANA - A pit bull attacks a boy who is riding his skateboard down the sidewalk. When a man tries to intervene, the pit bull turns on him. Both victims suffer major injuries. JUNE 2000: SAN BERNARDINO - A 5-year-old boy is walking to school with his older brother when a pit bull attacks him, breaking the right side of his jaw. APRIL 2000: NEWBERRY SPRINGS - A 10-year-old boy dies after a pit bull attacks him while he walks down the road with a friend. I don't like the fact that the dogs were involved and I truly feel sorry for the people hurt and wish them well in their recovery and hope those owners are held accountable. I am inclined to ask how many people (18 and under) over that 7 year span were killed by gunshot in San Bernardino County? No death is acceptable by dog or gun... and I will concede the argument that those were not the only attacks in the county over that time frame. Those attacks generate headlines because of the two sides... kids/ elderly vs APBT's. I am pretty sure there have been a couple of pretty heinous rapes and murders in that time frame but did not receive the same attention. I think we need to ask ourselves why we are more aware of certain incidents. Is is the media? Is it our own biases? Edited by bullyboy 2011-01-25 4:08 PM |
| 2011-01-25 4:07 PM in reply to: #3321233 |
Extreme Veteran 392 Raleigh | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans popsracer - 2011-01-25 3:54 PM mmrocker13 - 2011-01-25 3:25 PM There will always be idiots and yayhoos. they will always own "status" dogs. My point is, pits are that dog right now. Decades ago, it was dobermans, or... etc etc etc. I appreciate that and am not trying to be inflammatory. I just envision my 5 year son, who is the world to me, possibling being in one of these articles and I'd do anything not to see that happen.Here's a nice collection of articles citing dog bites from news sources around the country: It's an interesting read. I would do most anything as well to secure the safety of your family as well as mine. Sadly I think too many people have lost sight of the concept of responsibility. |
| 2011-01-25 4:09 PM in reply to: #3321233 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans I wouldn't want my child/spouse/self/pet being the victim of a dog bite, either. The point of listing those articles is simply to show that ANY dog can bite--and that the balance of bites isn't as skewed as most folks think it is. The pit bites, because they are "in the hot seat" so to speak, get their stories boosted to headline fodder (one of those "attacks" you list, for example, wasn't even a bit. The dog was following a woman, she threatened it, problem solved. It gets MENTIONED b/c it's a pit bull.)...but there are LOTS of dog bites that make news...people just don't pay that much attention to it. The second point of posting is to show how many dog bites of ANY breed is are becuase of irresponsible behavior. The third is to show that if you start listing all the "incidents" each month, while there are some pit/pit mixes...they are balanced out, if not outweighed by other breeds and mixes. Edited by mmrocker13 2011-01-25 4:14 PM |
| 2011-01-25 5:33 PM in reply to: #3318911 |
Master 1433 Calgary, AB Silver member | Subject: RE: A Modest Proposal: Pit Bulls and Humans Ontario banned em all, and I'm going to assume they did more research on the subject than the average owner. http://www.ovma.org/pet_owners/hot_topics/pit_bulls.html But to take your own point of view, you would then have no problem with me owning and walking my siberian tiger, or my mountain lion, or my black bear? I can point to examples of all 3 that have been tamed well enough not to eat everyone on sight. That doesn't change the fact that they are not domesticated to the same degree as fluffy the house cat. Also, an attacking poodle or pekenese is a lot easier to deal with than an attacking pitt. And once the jaws have latched on, forget about it - hardest dog to unlatch. Certain breeds give owners certain kinds of status, unfortunately. |
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