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 2011-01-30 1:27 PM in reply to: #3326592 |
Arch-Bishop of BT  10278    Pittsburgh |  Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket!Even if we take issues like disability and insurance and financial considerations out of the mix, I think the civil authorities in this situation could make the case that the loss of life negatively affects families and young people to such a degree that it is in their best interests to take steps... so even if a young father thinks it is his decision alone, his permanent disability or death would so negatively impact the life of his young daughter who then grows up without a male figure in her life that his "decision" to do whatever he wants is negated because of the ties it has to someone else's life. No person is an island. |
| 2011-01-30 6:36 PM in reply to: #3327355 |
Master 3205  ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! cornchexs - 2011-01-28 3:05 PM chichitao - 2011-01-28 9:35 AM I actually oppose both helmet and seatbelt laws (except on children). They are personal choices and if someone wants to risk their life then so be it. Who am I to decide otherwise? I agree with the fact that there should be personal choice. The problem that I have is that many want the personal choice but not the responsibility that comes with the choice. (/HIJACK) I agree. Make a personal choice but with that choice the person should agree that they will not receive medical care for the traumatic brain injury suffered while not wearing a helmet. Same with being ejected from a car when not wearing a seatbelt. I would go one step further. I propose that the country require a smoking license to be able to purchase cigarettes/tobacco. No license, no tobacco.....but...... when you get the smoking license you also sign away your right to healthcare for smoking related illnesses. Try that on for size. Of course, then we will have to have the McDonald's license too. What a slippery slope personal responsibility is. Sorry if this is a thread hijack. |
| 2011-01-30 9:16 PM in reply to: #3326592 |
Extreme Veteran 464 Louisville, KY | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! This thread reminded me that I have to pay my ticket this week for............. Not wearing my seatbelt. I usually wear it, and no kidding, had just pulled out of the parking lot after pumping gas, and got myself a ticket. |
| 2011-01-30 9:22 PM in reply to: #3329501 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! akustix - 2011-01-30 2:27 PM Even if we take issues like disability and insurance and financial considerations out of the mix, I think the civil authorities in this situation could make the case that the loss of life negatively affects families and young people to such a degree that it is in their best interests to take steps... so even if a young father thinks it is his decision alone, his permanent disability or death would so negatively impact the life of his young daughter who then grows up without a male figure in her life that his "decision" to do whatever he wants is negated because of the ties it has to someone else's life. No person is an island. So, we shouldn't allow people to join the military either, right? |
| 2011-01-30 9:26 PM in reply to: #3329796 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! wannabefaster - 2011-01-30 7:36 PM cornchexs - 2011-01-28 3:05 PM I agree. Make a personal choice but with that choice the person should agree that they will not receive medical care for the traumatic brain injury suffered while not wearing a helmet. Same with being ejected from a car when not wearing a seatbelt. I would go one step further. I propose that the country require a smoking license to be able to purchase cigarettes/tobacco. No license, no tobacco.....but...... when you get the smoking license you also sign away your right to healthcare for smoking related illnesses. Try that on for size. Of course, then we will have to have the McDonald's license too. What a slippery slope personal responsibility is. Sorry if this is a thread hijack.chichitao - 2011-01-28 9:35 AM I actually oppose both helmet and seatbelt laws (except on children). They are personal choices and if someone wants to risk their life then so be it. Who am I to decide otherwise? I agree with the fact that there should be personal choice. The problem that I have is that many want the personal choice but not the responsibility that comes with the choice. (/HIJACK) I agree on personal choice and similar to your ideas, I propose that a person's health care premiums should reflect their personal choices. If you are a motorcyclist who doesn't wear a helmet? Increased premiums. If you smoke? Increased premiums. Does your Wii Fit giggle and call you obese? Increased premiums. Let people make the choice and simply pay accordingly. Stop with the lame shared pool business model. |
| 2011-01-30 9:46 PM in reply to: #3329974 |
Master 2146 East Side of the Bay | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! Pector55 - 2011-01-30 10:26 PM Interesting idea that some businesses are trying out. Most are trying to give benefits for "good" behavior rather than penalties for bad. One issue of behaviors is it's self report. How would that work without a undue checking/spying?wannabefaster - 2011-01-30 7:36 PM cornchexs - 2011-01-28 3:05 PM I agree. Make a personal choice but with that choice the person should agree that they will not receive medical care for the traumatic brain injury suffered while not wearing a helmet. Same with being ejected from a car when not wearing a seatbelt. I would go one step further. I propose that the country require a smoking license to be able to purchase cigarettes/tobacco. No license, no tobacco.....but...... when you get the smoking license you also sign away your right to healthcare for smoking related illnesses. Try that on for size. Of course, then we will have to have the McDonald's license too. What a slippery slope personal responsibility is. Sorry if this is a thread hijack.chichitao - 2011-01-28 9:35 AM I actually oppose both helmet and seatbelt laws (except on children). They are personal choices and if someone wants to risk their life then so be it. Who am I to decide otherwise? I agree with the fact that there should be personal choice. The problem that I have is that many want the personal choice but not the responsibility that comes with the choice. (/HIJACK) I agree on personal choice and similar to your ideas, I propose that a person's health care premiums should reflect their personal choices. If you are a motorcyclist who doesn't wear a helmet? Increased premiums. If you smoke? Increased premiums. Does your Wii Fit giggle and call you obese? Increased premiums. Let people make the choice and simply pay accordingly. Stop with the lame shared pool business model. Also have to say that I really wish I could have celebrated my bro's 49 th birthday with him this month. He died in a roll over after being ejected. Not wearing his seatbelt. Effing shame. Twin sons now 9. The problem is maybe some people just aren't responsible. Or are just forgetful. Edited by KOM 2011-01-30 9:49 PM |
| 2011-01-30 10:38 PM in reply to: #3327712 |
Extreme Veteran 667 Melbourne | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! jeng - 2011-01-29 10:14 AM Recently my brother got a seatbelt ticket in Washington while a passenger. He was wearing his seatbelt. He got pulled over and when the officer saw that he was wearing his seatbelt, he said, "You must have just put it on." We have laws here that if a passenger is not wearing a seatbelt, the driver gets the fine (think around $170 at present) (unless the vehicle is pre 1972 when seatbelts where made mandatory in all new cars sold). The thing that gets me the most here though is bicycle users only need to carry a helmet on the bike with them or get a $30 fine, so you see lots of people with one strap of the helmet on the handle bars and the other strap hanging down usually just touching the front wheel where the break pads are. The law makers made the situation worse. |
| 2011-01-31 10:28 AM in reply to: #3329996 |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! Blah.. I typed in my message but it never hit the post. Edited by Pector55 2011-01-31 10:31 AM |
| 2011-01-31 11:00 AM in reply to: #3330749 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! I thought seatbelts were a "secondary" ticketable offense. That they need to pull you over for some other violation, and if they notice, can slap that on the ticket as well? Could be urban legend. Because reading this thread, seems like they can pull you over just if they THINK you are not wearing one... Seems a "little" fishy to me. Now it give cops the right to stop ANYONE and give the car/people a quick once over, under the pretense of they thought they weren't wearing a seatbelt. |
| 2011-01-31 11:03 AM in reply to: #3330819 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! Kido - 2011-01-31 11:00 AM I thought seatbelts were a "secondary" ticketable offense. That they need to pull you over for some other violation, and if they notice, can slap that on the ticket as well? Could be urban legend. Because reading this thread, seems like they can pull you over just if they THINK you are not wearing one... Seems a "little" fishy to me. Now it give cops the right to stop ANYONE and give the car/people a quick once over, under the pretense of they thought they weren't wearing a seatbelt. I got pulled over back in the summer for a clear speeding violation (70 in a 55 zone), but because I was very nice, the officer let me go with a seat belt violation even though I was wearing a seat belt. He asked me if that was fair, and I said that it was MORE than fair. |
| 2011-01-31 2:13 PM in reply to: #3330819 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! Kido - 2011-01-31 12:00 PM I thought seatbelts were a "secondary" ticketable offense. That they need to pull you over for some other violation, and if they notice, can slap that on the ticket as well? Could be urban legend. Because reading this thread, seems like they can pull you over just if they THINK you are not wearing one... Seems a "little" fishy to me. Now it give cops the right to stop ANYONE and give the car/people a quick once over, under the pretense of they thought they weren't wearing a seatbelt. I think it depends on the state. Some states have enacted seatbelts as a stoppable offense, and some have it secondary. I remember reading somewhere that when Italy first enacted seatbelt laws, a popular shirt design for young men had a black diagonal stripe from the left shoulder to the right hip, so a quick head-on glance would look like a seatbelt was being worn. |
| 2011-01-31 2:56 PM in reply to: #3330819 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! Kido - 2011-01-31 12:00 PM I thought seatbelts were a "secondary" ticketable offense. That they need to pull you over for some other violation, and if they notice, can slap that on the ticket as well? Could be urban legend. Because reading this thread, seems like they can pull you over just if they THINK you are not wearing one... Seems a "little" fishy to me. Now it give cops the right to stop ANYONE and give the car/people a quick once over, under the pretense of they thought they weren't wearing a seatbelt. Varies by state. In Maryland you can be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. |
| 2011-01-31 3:04 PM in reply to: #3326592 |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! It can even vary by city. A city right next to mine tried really hard to enact a seatbelt as a first offense law. It didn't pass so the city cops stated they would start pulling people over for anything and everything so they could give out seatbelt tickets. I believe since then the entire state has made no seatbelt a primary offense. |
| 2011-01-31 11:49 PM in reply to: #3326592 |
Master 1681 Rural Ontario | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! I want then cops to keep giving out seatbelt tickets as long as my insurance premiums continue to fund medical treatment or life insurance payouts for idiots who refuse to wear a seatbelt. I suppose I could get behind a law that says you needed wear a seatbelt but you automatically opt out from any payments you might have had coming if you get into a wreck.... |
| 2011-02-01 8:59 AM in reply to: #3326592 |
Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! What if you are at fault in an accident? I mean, accidents do happen and if the person was wearing their seatbelt they would have been fine/uninjured but because they were not they needed medical attention/hospitalization and now they are suing you? Edited by KeriKadi 2011-02-01 9:00 AM |
| 2011-02-01 9:06 AM in reply to: #3331433 |
| Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! trishie - 2011-01-31 2:56 PM Kido - 2011-01-31 12:00 PM I thought seatbelts were a "secondary" ticketable offense. That they need to pull you over for some other violation, and if they notice, can slap that on the ticket as well? Could be urban legend. Because reading this thread, seems like they can pull you over just if they THINK you are not wearing one... Seems a "little" fishy to me. Now it give cops the right to stop ANYONE and give the car/people a quick once over, under the pretense of they thought they weren't wearing a seatbelt. Varies by state. In Maryland you can be pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. Same here. |
| 2011-02-02 8:40 PM in reply to: #3326592 |
Veteran 278 Surf City USA Huntington Beach, Calif. | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! No helmet, more injury. No seatbelt, more injury. More injury, more medical costs. More medical costs, higher insurance premiums for everyone (the insurance companies cover their losses by charging us more). The uninsured only add to the equation. |
| 2011-02-03 9:23 AM in reply to: #3326592 |
Veteran 444 | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! I always wear my seatbelt, I just feel odd without it. When I ride my motorcycle I always wear a helmet, jacket, gloves and boots, and if I'm going on a decent length ride I'll wear kevlar jeans. We have a helmet law here in MS, but even if it wasn't law, I would still always wear my helmet. When I rode a PWC I would always wear a life vest, and when I started riding motorcycles I would feel odd because I felt like I needed a life vest on, just old habit from being on a PWC. Maybe I'm just a goody goody safety dork, but I like my body, thanks. With all that said... I don't think it is the government's responsibility to protect us from ourselves, but on many of these issues they have to protect us from other people. There will always be people who don't wear a seatbelt for some reason, even if cops set up a roadblock for the sole purpose of checking seatbelts, you can't make everyone do everything. |
| 2011-02-03 9:30 AM in reply to: #3332810 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! |
| 2011-08-16 7:08 AM in reply to: #3327527 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! gearboy - 2011-01-28 4:36 PM chichitao - 2011-01-28 10:35 AM I actually oppose both helmet and seatbelt laws (except on children). They are personal choices and if someone wants to risk their life then so be it. Who am I to decide otherwise? So, if I end up on disability after the head trauma because I refused to wear a helmet/seatbelt, that does not have an impact on the taxpaying public? Or are you saying that I should not get public funds if I chose to act on my own personal choices. I believe that if the choices you make eaffect me, I have some say in those choices. And why the exception for kids? If you are taking a libertarian stance, don't I have the right to protect my children in the ways I see fit? After all, when I was a kid, we had no helmets, and rode around in cars with no seat belts. I have no problem repealing the law, but if crash your motorcycle (or car) and are taking to the E-room with no insurance and you were not wearing your seatbelt or helmet then do not expect to get treatment or support on the taxpayer's dime. I would ask this question. Do you who oppose the seatbelt law wear them? Do you wear a bike helmet? What's the difference?
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 2011-08-16 9:34 AM in reply to: #3326592 |
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| 2011-08-16 12:33 PM in reply to: #3326592 |
| Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! You can't (legally) drive a car - without a driver's license - without car insurance - without driving on public roads and highways (once you leave your protected compound) Accidents happen. Everyone knows this. Requiring people moving at a high rate of speed in a mass weighing anywhere from 3,000 to 11,000 pounds (not accounting for industrial vans, trucks, semi-trucks) means that when a collision occurs, people don't necessarily have to die. You don't have to kill the people in the other car with whom you have a head-on collision. Seatbelts save lives. You are free to operate your vehicle within your own private compound. Once you venture onto public roads, all bets are off.
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| 2011-08-16 12:44 PM in reply to: #3645244 |
| Subject: RE: Seatbelt Ticket! TriRSquared - 2011-08-16 8:08 AM I have no problem repealing the law, but if crash your motorcycle (or car) and are taking to the E-room with no insurance and you were not wearing your seatbelt or helmet then do not expect to get treatment or support on the taxpayer's dime. Deal. When can this start? TriRSquared - 2011-08-16 8:08 AM I would ask this question. Do you who oppose the seatbelt law wear them? Do you wear a bike helmet? What's the difference?
I'm a pilot. I wear a seat belt when I'm moving between parking spaces. I wear my bike helmet when I'm just screwing around with new cleats or pedals down the cul-de-sack beside the house. Difference is whether or not it's mandated by law. I can understand license, I can understand insurance. Those affect others on the road. Whether I'm wearing a seat belt or helmet does not. |
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