Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing (Page 2)
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2011-02-02 11:24 AM in reply to: #3335188 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing TriRSquared - 2011-02-02 10:55 AM I won't entirely disagree however in my experience management puts way too much emphasis on "touchy-feely" marketing. And not enough on "hard science" engineering. Of course I might be biased.. In this case however to even "think" that a box is a better way to display your product than a bag is silly. You'd have to see the product to fully understand but trust me. It's still a management issue. If management was good at their job they would have both sides talking. Managers should not come from marketing or engineering, they should be managers because they can work in both worlds and facilitate cooperation. If a marketing person can't see the value in engineering, they shouldn't be a manager outside of marketing. If an engineer can't relate to people and understand the need for marketing, they shouldn't be managing outside of engineering. There is also hard science to marketing. I think people like Meh would fit well into that world. As your experience has shown, small companies often forget about the hard science of marketing because the people who are good at the touchy feely part of it are often lacking in the science side of it. It's difficult to find someone who can do both, and small companies can't afford two people so they go the known route which is a touchy feely creative marketing person. Edited by graceful_dave 2011-02-02 11:40 AM |
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2011-02-02 11:34 AM in reply to: #3335261 |
Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing I think she'd make a good manager This thread reminded me of a video made by some Microsoft employees (engineers?), making fun of their own marketing. I'm sure a lot of you have seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeXAcwriid0 Edited by spudone 2011-02-02 11:34 AM |
2011-02-02 11:36 AM in reply to: #3333114 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing Whatever you do, do NOT get into IT support - it's not all that as they make it out to be. |
2011-02-02 11:39 AM in reply to: #3335297 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing 1stTimeTri - 2011-02-02 12:36 PM Whatever you do, do NOT get into IT support - it's not all that as they make it out to be. I hate computers, and would never bother, don't worry Fill!! |
2011-02-02 12:54 PM in reply to: #3335261 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 12:24 PM It's still a management issue. You can boil ANYTHING down to a management issue. An engineer messes up calcs. A management issue. They should have never hired him. A bit far reaching however. Departments need to be able to police themselves w/o management having to hold hands. And Meh is right about most engineers not making great managers. Of course you can also say the same of most accounts, marketers, lawyers, doctors etc. Effective management is a skill set that few people have. |
2011-02-02 12:57 PM in reply to: #3335297 |
Chatham Ontario | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing 1stTimeTri - 2011-02-02 11:36 AM Whatever you do, do NOT get into IT support - it's not all that as they make it out to be. Really I seriously thought about getting out of Process Engineering/Continuous Improvements and getting into this. 16 years of process engineering I am ready for a change and not sure how to foster it. Or more worried that the grass looks greener on the other side and it never really is. But I know that Salary in my level is not really increasing in the Automotive world. Sorry for the hijack. Very interesting thread as I think many of us would love a career change now a days. |
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2011-02-02 12:58 PM in reply to: #3335482 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing TriRSquared - 2011-02-02 12:54 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 12:24 PM It's still a management issue. You can boil ANYTHING down to a management issue. An engineer messes up calcs. A management issue. They should have never hired him. A bit far reaching however. Departments need to be able to police themselves w/o management having to hold hands. And Meh is right about most engineers not making great managers. Of course you can also say the same of most accounts, marketers, lawyers, doctors etc. Effective management is a skill set that few people have. An engineer messing up a calculations isn't a management issue. The same engineer messing up repeatedly with no action taken to correct is a management issue. But your issue wasn't within a department (unless I'm missing something) it was across two departments. It is upper management's job to facilitate cooperation between departments. |
2011-02-02 1:34 PM in reply to: #3335497 |
Runner | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 1:58 PM TriRSquared - 2011-02-02 12:54 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 12:24 PM It's still a management issue. You can boil ANYTHING down to a management issue. An engineer messes up calcs. A management issue. They should have never hired him. A bit far reaching however. Departments need to be able to police themselves w/o management having to hold hands. And Meh is right about most engineers not making great managers. Of course you can also say the same of most accounts, marketers, lawyers, doctors etc. Effective management is a skill set that few people have. An engineer messing up a calculations isn't a management issue. The same engineer messing up repeatedly with no action taken to correct is a management issue. But your issue wasn't within a department (unless I'm missing something) it was across two departments. It is upper management's job to facilitate cooperation between departments. Also, "management" is sort of a broad term. What managers are we talking about? |
2011-02-02 2:01 PM in reply to: #3335579 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing Scout7 - 2011-02-02 1:34 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 1:58 PM TriRSquared - 2011-02-02 12:54 PM graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 12:24 PM It's still a management issue. You can boil ANYTHING down to a management issue. An engineer messes up calcs. A management issue. They should have never hired him. A bit far reaching however. Departments need to be able to police themselves w/o management having to hold hands. And Meh is right about most engineers not making great managers. Of course you can also say the same of most accounts, marketers, lawyers, doctors etc. Effective management is a skill set that few people have. An engineer messing up a calculations isn't a management issue. The same engineer messing up repeatedly with no action taken to correct is a management issue. But your issue wasn't within a department (unless I'm missing something) it was across two departments. It is upper management's job to facilitate cooperation between departments. Also, "management" is sort of a broad term. What managers are we talking about? Yeah, I'm thinking we are not all talking about the same thing. I better go back to ordering my subordinates to do my bidding Muahahahaha! |
2011-02-02 2:55 PM in reply to: #3335631 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Career Change Part 2 -- Marketing graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 3:01 PM Scout7 - 2011-02-02 1:34 PM Yeah, I'm thinking we are not all talking about the same thing. I better go back to ordering my subordinates to do my bidding Muahahahaha!graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 1:58 PM Also, "management" is sort of a broad term. What managers are we talking about?TriRSquared - 2011-02-02 12:54 PM An engineer messing up a calculations isn't a management issue. The same engineer messing up repeatedly with no action taken to correct is a management issue. But your issue wasn't within a department (unless I'm missing something) it was across two departments. It is upper management's job to facilitate cooperation between departments.graceful_dave - 2011-02-02 12:24 PM It's still a management issue. You can boil ANYTHING down to a management issue. An engineer messes up calcs. A management issue. They should have never hired him. A bit far reaching however. Departments need to be able to police themselves w/o management having to hold hands. And Meh is right about most engineers not making great managers. Of course you can also say the same of most accounts, marketers, lawyers, doctors etc. Effective management is a skill set that few people have. I see your point Dave. I just don't think you can blame it all on "management". |
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