Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy)
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2011-05-17 7:16 PM |
Expert 932 Chandler, AZ | Subject: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) I signed up for a race in July and after some discussion here and viewing a couple of websites, I found that the run distance was shorter than what was listed on the registration form. I'm trying to get ready for an OLY coming up so increasing my distances was something that was very important to me. So I inquired and the following conversation ensued: "Hello, So far I feel I'm being very polite.. Response one: "The run for BOTH the Mini & Maxi tri is 2 miles................ Okay, fair enough. So I wrote back: "Thank you so much for your fast reply...Now on to my second concern. I purposely avoided registering for other triathlons because I didn't want to do one with such a short run. I would really like to transfer the funds I paid to another race a couple weeks later that hosts a longer sprint. I don't mean to be difficult, but I feel that this race was misrepresented and that I should be able to select a different race. If you could perhaps get me the contact information to the person I would speak to about this, it would be greatly appreciated. His gracious reply: "Hello Jasen, Now,I'm feeling a little insulted...I guess he didn't know I came with proof. "Attached is a screen shot of the registration page that I went to to sign up for this event. [picture is of the registration form that has wrong distance stated.] With all due respect, sir, I'm not sure what could be more UNclear... As you've clearly stated, "you cannot be repsonsible for someone else's mistake". I'm sure this rule does not apply only to you...I've already signed up for Bartlett (a trifamily event) and unless you have an unlisted upcoming event, I don't see any event that I would like to participate in. I think, Mark, that before you question where I got my information, you do some research for yourself first..." His thoughts: "And like I said, anyone else, yes that includes Active.com
Edited by GoodStash 2011-05-17 7:17 PM |
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2011-05-17 7:24 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Regular 57 Pleasanton | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) Sounds like your buddy Mark is pretty big on the: "The customer is always wrong" attitude. If I were a small time race productions guy like him, i would rather not you and ten of your friends off and just refund your money and call it an honest mistake on your part (or his, that was unclear). It kinda sounds like you might have to just do this race or kiss your hundo goodbye. |
2011-05-17 7:25 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Expert 1263 Wendell, NC | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) Although the dude is unusually rude, it sounds like he'll let you transfer the entry fee to another event within his company. Maybe there's a late season race after your oly that would be good for you. I say: choose an event that would be fun for you, let go of your attachment to this event as the perfect pre-oly race, enjoy the event you run and never use this event company again. Oh yea, SMILE, it ain't like ya lost a leg. |
2011-05-17 7:27 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Extreme Veteran 833 Strong Beach, CA | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) To be honest, I think it's a bit silly for you to even be worrying about it. But hey, I'm the type that never pets the sweaty stuff. |
2011-05-17 7:29 PM in reply to: #3504984 |
Expert 1263 Wendell, NC | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) jackson61802 - 2011-05-17 8:27 PM To be honest, I think it's a bit silly for you to even be worrying about it. But hey, I'm the type that never pets the sweaty stuff.[/QUOTE] now that's funny
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2011-05-17 7:31 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Minneapolis, MN | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) just another example of why i dislike the racket that is a necessary evil known as Active.com. Unfortunately many races only take Active.com registrations. |
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2011-05-17 7:36 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
New user 64 Old Hickory | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) What a jerk, him not you! I don't see that you did anything wrong. I have had races shortened because of weather but dude was totally out of line. As the owner of this company he is responsible for all of marketing and registration information to be correct. If you paid by credit card I would suggest that you dispute the charge. I would think that you would receive your money back as this guy kinda did the bait and switch. I also think that I would avoid any events put on by this promoter. |
2011-05-17 7:44 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) I know there are registration sites that will only do their own race information entry -- meaning they put up the ionfo on their site, and the RD can't do anything about it. Of course, they could contact the online entry company and request that the info be changed, but that can take... weeks. Seriously. So while you didn't do anything wrong, most likely neither did he, and he's getting burned by some one else's mistake (and you get caught in the middle). He's offered what he can -- applying the funds to a later race OF HIS. Take it or leave it. |
2011-05-17 7:47 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Master 2411 Goodyear, AZ | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) I've done several Trifamily Racing events over the years and they are a very small race company, catering very much to the beginner. It really surprises me that the email was so rude as Mark seems like a very nice guy in person. They do offer a few longer races, even some pool swim Olympic distance races so maybe transferring your entry would be best? There's not much going on in the tri scene in Phx in summer but Deuces wild and Mtn Man have some good events where it's cooler |
2011-05-17 7:55 PM in reply to: #3505012 |
Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) briderdt - 2011-05-17 2:44 PM I know there are registration sites that will only do their own race information entry -- meaning they put up the ionfo on their site, and the RD can't do anything about it. Of course, they could contact the online entry company and request that the info be changed, but that can take... weeks. Seriously. So while you didn't do anything wrong, most likely neither did he, and he's getting burned by some one else's mistake (and you get caught in the middle). He's offered what he can -- applying the funds to a later race OF HIS. Take it or leave it. Agree. I don't think a refund is in order, but I do think he could have been a little nicer in his tone. And IMO, I don't think you responding to his tone by giving some tone of your own in your last email to him did you any favors. That being said, the other post above is probably right. If you used your credit card, you can dispute the charge by calling the bank/credit card company. In the world of credit cards, the customer has the absolute highest level of protection. My guess is that Active.com will be forced to refund your money. Now...it's up to Active.com whether or not they want to request the money paid to "Mark the RD" back. My guess is since that it was their mistake...they won't. All parties should be satisfied, and the one who made the error is on the hook. At least that's the way I believe it will play out. |
2011-05-17 8:04 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Expert 1139 Austin | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) Do the run course twice....problem solved. |
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2011-05-17 8:08 PM in reply to: #3505037 |
Expert 932 Chandler, AZ | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) tri808 - 2011-05-17 5:55 PM briderdt - 2011-05-17 2:44 PM I know there are registration sites that will only do their own race information entry -- meaning they put up the ionfo on their site, and the RD can't do anything about it. Of course, they could contact the online entry company and request that the info be changed, but that can take... weeks. Seriously. So while you didn't do anything wrong, most likely neither did he, and he's getting burned by some one else's mistake (and you get caught in the middle). He's offered what he can -- applying the funds to a later race OF HIS. Take it or leave it. Agree. I don't think a refund is in order, but I do think he could have been a little nicer in his tone. And IMO, I don't think you responding to his tone by giving some tone of your own in your last email to him did you any favors.
I agree 100%...And I'm usually pretty level headed. I was a little taken by his reply as I thought that I was being very polite. I run a business as well and couldn't imagine responding to someone like this who was obviously wronged whether it was my fault or not. I guess I needed a little venting. Hell, I guess I'm still venting .... |
2011-05-17 9:00 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Expert 1244 | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) U should print fliers with the email info and pass it out at the event. That will make his day |
2011-05-17 9:15 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Extreme Veteran 799 | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) Mark should have contacted Active.com and gotten it taken care of (at the very least tried). Especially in a world with the Internet, it is all about customer service. Do the race as a training day, and make sure you let all your tri buddies know if they have a choice they should pick another company. Just by posting this, I know myself and likely many others will be very wary of doing any events put on by this company. |
2011-05-17 9:53 PM in reply to: #3505143 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) jmcconne - 2011-05-17 7:15 PM Mark should have contacted Active.com and gotten it taken care of (at the very least tried). Especially in a world with the Internet, it is all about customer service. Do the race as a training day, and make sure you let all your tri buddies know if they have a choice they should pick another company. Just by posting this, I know myself and likely many others will be very wary of doing any events put on by this company. And don't be surprised if, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you have significantly fewer local races to choose from. |
2011-05-17 10:07 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Expert 661 Maui, Hawaii | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) You may have some recourse if you paid by credit card and dispute the charge with Visa or Mastercard saying that the information on the website was misleading at the time the registration was made. They will then pursue a chargeback on your behalf and you are out of it. However, choose your battles, because if you go this route you may not be able to ever register for race with this producer again.
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2011-05-17 10:11 PM in reply to: #3505176 |
Expert 1244 | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) briderdt - 2011-05-17 10:53 PM What if it was billed As a 13 mile run but they were offering 6.2? Would he be able to gripe then?I support the little man but they also have to do what's right. jmcconne - 2011-05-17 7:15 PM Mark should have contacted Active.com and gotten it taken care of (at the very least tried). Especially in a world with the Internet, it is all about customer service. Do the race as a training day, and make sure you let all your tri buddies know if they have a choice they should pick another company. Just by posting this, I know myself and likely many others will be very wary of doing any events put on by this company. And don't be surprised if, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you have significantly fewer local races to choose from. |
2011-05-17 10:38 PM in reply to: #3504960 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) GoodStash - 2011-05-17 8:16 PM His thoughts: "And like I said, anyone else, yes that includes Active.com FWIW... I help run a 5K/10K running event in my community, and we use Active.com for our race registration. We provide Active with the information to post on the registration page. I'm pretty sure they just cut and paste the info we send them electronically... The RD of this event must have either provided them with the incorrect information, or at the very least, did not review the information that was posted on Active (which is his responsibility, IMO).... |
2011-05-17 10:42 PM in reply to: #3505185 |
Expert 932 Chandler, AZ | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) DiOnMaui - 2011-05-17 8:07 PM You may have some recourse if you paid by credit card and dispute the charge with Visa or Mastercard saying that the information on the website was misleading at the time the registration was made. They will then pursue a chargeback on your behalf and you are out of it. However, choose your battles, because if you go this route you may not be able to ever register for race with this producer again.
I thought about this, and have decided that I'm just gonna let it go. I did, however, respond to his e-mail in a polite, but "I'm right, you're a jerk" kind of way...Of course he had no response to reason. I'm afraid if I ruffle too many feathers he could be a complete d**k and my registration could magically get "lost" on race day. Also, as I mentioned to him, I'm doing the Bartlett Lake OLY which unfortunately is also his event...Don't want to risk off the director for my first OLY distance... Edited by GoodStash 2011-05-17 10:54 PM |
2011-05-17 10:51 PM in reply to: #3505186 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) ajusf16 - 2011-05-17 8:11 PM briderdt - 2011-05-17 10:53 PM What if it was billed As a 13 mile run but they were offering 6.2? Would he be able to gripe then?I support the little man but they also have to do what's right. jmcconne - 2011-05-17 7:15 PM Mark should have contacted Active.com and gotten it taken care of (at the very least tried). Especially in a world with the Internet, it is all about customer service. Do the race as a training day, and make sure you let all your tri buddies know if they have a choice they should pick another company. Just by posting this, I know myself and likely many others will be very wary of doing any events put on by this company. And don't be surprised if, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you have significantly fewer local races to choose from. You apparently missed my point entirely -- if you start a trial-by-internet frenzy and rally the community to boycott events, don't be surprised if the events, or maybe even an entire race company (with all their events), disappear. We're not that big of a community, racers and RDs, so let's try to help each other out. There's (or should be) a symbiotic relationship here. |
2011-05-18 12:18 AM in reply to: #3505233 |
Expert 932 Chandler, AZ | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) briderdt - 2011-05-17 8:51 PM ajusf16 - 2011-05-17 8:11 PM briderdt - 2011-05-17 10:53 PM What if it was billed As a 13 mile run but they were offering 6.2? Would he be able to gripe then?I support the little man but they also have to do what's right. jmcconne - 2011-05-17 7:15 PM Mark should have contacted Active.com and gotten it taken care of (at the very least tried). Especially in a world with the Internet, it is all about customer service. Do the race as a training day, and make sure you let all your tri buddies know if they have a choice they should pick another company. Just by posting this, I know myself and likely many others will be very wary of doing any events put on by this company. And don't be surprised if, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you have significantly fewer local races to choose from. You apparently missed my point entirely -- if you start a trial-by-internet frenzy and rally the community to boycott events, don't be surprised if the events, or maybe even an entire race company (with all their events), disappear. We're not that big of a community, racers and RDs, so let's try to help each other out. There's (or should be) a symbiotic relationship here.
This is exactly right...Which is why I got so bummed when this guy had his "I know you got screwed, but I don't care" attitude. The other events that he so graciously offered to transfer me to were all of equal or shorter distances. Whatever, part of being a newbie is figuring out who you want to do races with and who you don't. I'll have fun doing it no matter what and move on... |
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2011-05-18 1:06 AM in reply to: #3505233 |
Veteran 207 Sun Prairie, WI | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) briderdt - 2011-05-17 10:51 PM ajusf16 - 2011-05-17 8:11 PM briderdt - 2011-05-17 10:53 PM What if it was billed As a 13 mile run but they were offering 6.2? Would he be able to gripe then?I support the little man but they also have to do what's right. jmcconne - 2011-05-17 7:15 PM Mark should have contacted Active.com and gotten it taken care of (at the very least tried). Especially in a world with the Internet, it is all about customer service. Do the race as a training day, and make sure you let all your tri buddies know if they have a choice they should pick another company. Just by posting this, I know myself and likely many others will be very wary of doing any events put on by this company. And don't be surprised if, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you have significantly fewer local races to choose from. You apparently missed my point entirely -- if you start a trial-by-internet frenzy and rally the community to boycott events, don't be surprised if the events, or maybe even an entire race company (with all their events), disappear. We're not that big of a community, racers and RDs, so let's try to help each other out. There's (or should be) a symbiotic relationship here. I agree with you, to an extent. I think that 'helping each other out' ends when the RD treats customers like this. I'm a pretty forgiving guy, but a small business owner should realize this too and use a polite tone with his customers. To me the most upsetting part isn't that he isn't willing to give a refund - its the way he told the OP. I would never sign up for another event of his. If this means his events and race company disappear, then obviously I wasn't the only one slighted by his poor business practices. Just my 2 cents. Races are expensive (for racers and organizers) but that is all the more reason for his information to be correct. |
2011-05-18 7:07 AM in reply to: #3505233 |
Expert 1244 | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) briderdt - 2011-05-17 11:51 PM In the same sense, if RD's respond to racers like this it may push someone out of the sport all together as well.ajusf16 - 2011-05-17 8:11 PM briderdt - 2011-05-17 10:53 PM What if it was billed As a 13 mile run but they were offering 6.2? Would he be able to gripe then?I support the little man but they also have to do what's right. jmcconne - 2011-05-17 7:15 PM Mark should have contacted Active.com and gotten it taken care of (at the very least tried). Especially in a world with the Internet, it is all about customer service. Do the race as a training day, and make sure you let all your tri buddies know if they have a choice they should pick another company. Just by posting this, I know myself and likely many others will be very wary of doing any events put on by this company. And don't be surprised if, at some point in the not-too-distant future, you have significantly fewer local races to choose from. You apparently missed my point entirely -- if you start a trial-by-internet frenzy and rally the community to boycott events, don't be surprised if the events, or maybe even an entire race company (with all their events), disappear. We're not that big of a community, racers and RDs, so let's try to help each other out. There's (or should be) a symbiotic relationship here. Just because an event is there does not mean they deserve success and the support of the community. They also need to earn it and treat their athletes properly. If that means some smaller races die, it would probably mean that more than one person was unhappy. |
2011-05-18 7:10 AM in reply to: #3504960 |
Expert 1384 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) Really poor customer service. Admit the error. Fix the error. Thank the customer for finding the error. Offer full refund or transfer to another event (with difference) and you've probably just created a customer for life (or at least a happy camper). Don't and you've got people on a message board discussing the situation. Given the circumstances, however, I'd just run two more miles at the end of the event to meet my own goals. Remember: Illegitimi non carborundum |
2011-05-18 7:28 AM in reply to: #3504960 |
Expert 3145 Scottsdale, AZ | Subject: RE: Am I being completely out of line here?...(very wordy) poor customer service, plain and simple. The size of the community or the number of local events has zero bearing on what is proper etiquette on the RD's behalf in this instance. I'd rather have half the events organized and represented in a professional manner than double the events with this attitude representing them. I work with a large number of outsourced representative agencies of my companies and rule number one is ownership; you do not pass blame. If active.com screwed up then fine, take it up with them after you right the wrong with the customer. The OP doesn't have to do anything to close down that particular event organizer, they are obviously well on their way to doing it themselves. I'm local, I'm new, and with that level of CS I'll not be signing up for any of their events. |
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