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2011-05-31 10:44 PM

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Subject: Is the Shimano 105 really worth it?
     So, I'm looking to buy my first road bike and I would really like to really invest in a good bike.  Now I have narrowed 3 models I'm seriously looking into Trek's 1.2, 1.5 & 2.1.  Besides the carbon upgrades it seems the most improvement comes from the Shimano components.  Should I, if money isn't a factor, just go for the upgrade and get the 2.1 or stick with either the 1.2 or 1.5? There just isn't a lot of cut and dry information and rather not rely on the salesperson so any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.


2011-05-31 11:25 PM
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The lower level Tiagra and Sora components are perfectly functional, especially the newer stuff. However, 105 components are the first level of parts that are considered race-level (if that's worth anything to you ).

Also, traditionally the Tiagra / Sora parts have been 9-speed, which can cause some compatibility issues if you end up switching parts out with 10-speed components (which is anything 105 and up).

If it was me, and cost wasn't too big of a factor, I would definitely go with the 2.1 with 105 parts. However, it's not like you will hate life with Tiagra or Sora stuff - it works fine.

2011-05-31 11:36 PM
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dcsikes - 2011-05-31 8:44 PM      ... I would really like to really invest in a good bike. ....

I think you answered your own question.  Get the best you can afford.

Is it really worth it?  Of course- the answer to that depends on a lot of things, but overall:  YES.  105 is good stuff.  Ultegra is worth it too.  As for Dura Ace- it's hard to make a financial vs performance case for DA, but you sure will see a lot of people using it.

2011-05-31 11:47 PM
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Thanks all.  Yeah I have really answered my own question.... OF COURSE I want the best that I can get! But I guess I really wanted some extra assurance and justification that it would really be worth it.
2011-06-01 7:29 AM
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I can think of no reason not to buy the best bike you can afford. Of course, determining what you can afford is the hard part.
2011-06-01 7:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Is the Shimano 105 really worth it?
I would say yes, 105 is worth it over Sora/Tiagra. The 2.1 also has many other upgrades that will make a difference, wheels being one.

Tiagra and Sora are both designed to be inexpensive, whereas 105 draws most of its design from Ultregra and Dura-Ace. 105 is a real workhorse.


2011-06-01 8:33 AM
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the bear - 2011-06-01 7:29 AM I can think of no reason not to buy the best bike you can afford. Of course, determining what you can afford is the hard part.

That's actually the easiest part for my wife and me considering she thinks budgeting money is fun and we have no children. We're just kinda paranoid when making larger purchases in ensuring we are making the best purchase possible. I think we're definitely going to go with the 2.1 especially after taking into considerations the wheel upgrades in addition to the component upgrades.  

I noticed you're the race direction for the Sugar Man Triathlon. We are actually from Houma, LA and visit regularly so I think we will definitely try to fit this tri into our schedule!

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dcsikes - 2011-06-01 8:33 AM

the bear - 2011-06-01 7:29 AM I can think of no reason not to buy the best bike you can afford. Of course, determining what you can afford is the hard part.

That's actually the easiest part for my wife and me considering she thinks budgeting money is fun and we have no children. We're just kinda paranoid when making larger purchases in ensuring we are making the best purchase possible. I think we're definitely going to go with the 2.1 especially after taking into considerations the wheel upgrades in addition to the component upgrades.  

I noticed you're the race direction for the Sugar Man Triathlon. We are actually from Houma, LA and visit regularly so I think we will definitely try to fit this tri into our schedule!

 

Cool. Remind me after registration opens and I'll hook you up with a discount code.

Where are you shopping bikes?

2011-06-01 9:44 PM
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We're in Tuscaloosa, AL and buying our bikes here. I'll definitely give you a shout before we register though, thanks!
2011-06-01 10:41 PM
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Sora<<<<Tiagra<<<105<Ultegra<Dura Ace

 

The marginal upgrade value from Tiagra to 105 is still great; much greater than from 105 to Ultegra, or Ultegra to Dura Ace. 

2011-06-02 12:12 AM
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Quantum - 2011-06-01 10:41 PM

Sora<<<

 

The marginal upgrade value from Tiagra to 105 is still great; much greater than from 105 to Ultegra, or Ultegra to Dura Ace. 



Excellent way to show the concept!

Even at employee pricing, I have a hard time justifying the jump from 105 to Ultegra (or SLX to XT in the mtb word). 105/SLX are very solid groupos that really only suffer weight penalties which are marginal at best IMO. The performance is close to the next level, and even though it's perceptible to me it's not worth the cost.


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dcsikes - 2011-05-31 10:44 PM      So, I'm looking to buy my first road bike and I would really like to really invest in a good bike.  Now I have narrowed 3 models I'm seriously looking into Trek's 1.2, 1.5 & 2.1.  Besides the carbon upgrades it seems the most improvement comes from the Shimano components.  Should I, if money isn't a factor, just go for the upgrade and get the 2.1 or stick with either the 1.2 or 1.5? There just isn't a lot of cut and dry information and rather not rely on the salesperson so any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.

I think Shimano 105 components are a pretty big step up from the lower tier components. If you plan to ride a lot, then I would say, yes, 105 is worth it if the cost is not astronomical.



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2011-06-03 3:11 PM
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I have just under 900 miles on a new 2.1. It was my first roadie, I have been riding mtb for a while. Get the 105, it is worth it for the few extra bucks. I originally had an issue with the crank, they (local shop where I purchased) couldn't figure it out. They thought it was bent, not sure how they deduced that, seemed unlikely to me. But, being the great guys they are, swapped it out for the external bearing 105 crank and I am a happy camper.  The 105 is durable and it works well.  I am happy with the Tektro brakes as well, the only non 105 component on the bike.  Your earlier post on pedals:  I just picked up the Look KEO Classic's on ebay for $70 delivered.  I like the slightly larger platform and they have a wider margin for tension adjustment. They are easy to get in and out of as well, just take some getting used to is all.  REI had these for $120 I think, I didn't care about the return policy, I knew what I was getting and saved a bunch.  Really went out on a limb and bought some used Nike Altea II shoes (on a really tight budget, I am!).  They are a ratchet shoe with carbon soles. I got really lucky with these, they are in great shape, as advertised, fit me very well and they were $40 to my door!  I'm not a cheap bastard, I just don't have the money right now.  Good luck with the bike, for an entry level bike, I am very happy with mine! 
2011-06-05 9:40 PM
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I run full sets of 105's on my Specialized Tarmac and Cannondale Slice 5. All you are really saving is grams. everything is trickle down effect, so last years Ultegra's are this years 105's. Have not had a lick of trouble with them on either bike and saved me thousands of $$$ where I can put on some other upgrades.
2011-06-06 10:30 AM
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fowlmood - 2011-06-05 7:40 PM All you are really saving is grams. everything is trickle down effect, so last years Ultegra's are this years 105's.

Usually trickle down idea doesn't actually prove true, but in this case some of it is.  

Note that Shimano intentially keeps differences between the groups.  Their groups can be split into two families.  2200/Sora/Tiagra/105 aimed at the recreational rider, and Ultegra/Dura-Ace Track 7700/Dura-Ace 7900/ Dura-Ace Di2 7970.

Last year Shimano introduced the "new 105" set which contains a number of features from Ultegra but excludes some of the more weight-weenie oriented features like carbon levers.

 The new one is 105 "5700", and the old one is 105 "5600". 

BT on "Shimano 105 or Ultegra" from Dec 2010 (reviews the 5700).  This article well details the differences, but conclude the Ultegra is always better.  Sort of lame.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=2151

 

And several more which really like the new 105 5700:

http://www.bikecyclingreviews.com/Shimano_Group_Sets.html 

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/first-look-new-shimano-105-road-groupset-24923

http://www.cyclingnews.com/reviews/shimano-105-2011-groupset

 

So if you're interested in 105s, be aware of the old 105 vs. new 105. difference.

2011-06-11 10:42 AM
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I would think the 2.1 is worth it over the 1.5, and IIRC, is only about $200 more for a lot more bike.  You're also looking at a hydroformed alpha black frame vs the regular tubular style alpha white found on the 1 series. 


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