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2011-07-13 2:21 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
TriAya - 2011-07-13 12:18 PM 

Awesome. Where can I get these? Does trisports stock them by any chance?

Or just join the military!



2011-07-13 2:23 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
enginerd - 2011-07-14 4:21 AM
TriAya - 2011-07-13 12:18 PM 

Awesome. Where can I get these? Does trisports stock them by any chance?

Or just join the military!

For a super nerd, I am really daft sometimes. A bunch of the Marines rescue swimmers here are triathletes and I know all of them. I am sure they can hook me up!

2011-07-13 5:26 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
JohnnyKay - 2011-07-13 1:25 PM

synthetic - 2011-07-13 2:15 PM hmm I wonder, would consuming a banana type gel (whatever is high in potassium) offset dehydration of drinking salt water?

Salt water is not 'dehydrating'.  It's mostly, surpise, water.

 

So why arent you drinking seawater during your endurance events?

 

http://rehydrate.org/dehydration/  .. read treatment section.

 

Salt is used to cure meat, aka dehydrate.

2011-07-13 7:18 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
I didn't do it when I was swimming inside, but when I'm outside, I do better with water to drink. Since I'm dealing with hydration issues anyway, and it's 100+ when I'm swimming, and the water must be at least 85, I need to hydrate. During lap swimming, almost everyone who is out there, has water or Gatorade with them. During a 45 minute workout, I probably drink 8-10 oz of water (and not from the pool), so not a bunch, but I try to hydrate well before and I drink some kind of recovery drink after (today, it was chocolate milk).
2011-07-13 7:39 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
I personally don't go ANYWHERE without a water bottle, whether its a workout or shopping, picking my kids up at school, the park, etc. I sip on fluids (mostly water) all day long. I can't imagine going a full hour without a drink, even if I am just sitting on the couch watching TV, I'd get thirsty. (yes, I have a bottle of mineral water in my hand right now even though I'm not exercising) Maybe its a function of the heat here, but even on days I don't workout, I feel I can barely keep hydrated enough. Plus swim workouts for me are never on their own. To fit it all in, I always have to swim on the same day I run or bike or lift weights - so chances are I've already had another workout first that dehydrated me some.
2011-07-13 8:31 PM
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I don't think it is necessary unless you are doing a brick and your second stage is after the swim.


2011-07-13 8:40 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
mrbbrad - 2011-07-13 12:35 PM
ratherbeswimming - 2011-07-13 1:29 PM

You mean consuming liquids OTHER than pool water?

 

I thought this was about drinking lake water.

x Tres.

2011-07-13 9:37 PM
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I usually keep water on deck and drink between sets. When I swim this time of year the outside temp is 95ish and pool water is 85ish, I get hot and thirsty.
2011-07-13 10:22 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
I always have water with me when I workout at the pool, since I fee like I get more dehyderated when I swim then I do while running/biking.  My guess is because when I swim I'm taking in air really quickly, while when I run/ bike, I try to keep my breathing really slow, and controlled.  I'm a nose breather, so I find my throat gets really dry when I'm forced to breath through my mouth (like when exercising)  I just seem to feel a lot better after taking a quick swig of water after every couple of sets.
2011-07-14 9:03 AM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
synthetic - 2011-07-13 6:26 PM
JohnnyKay - 2011-07-13 1:25 PM

synthetic - 2011-07-13 2:15 PM hmm I wonder, would consuming a banana type gel (whatever is high in potassium) offset dehydration of drinking salt water?

Salt water is not 'dehydrating'.  It's mostly, surpise, water.

So why arent you drinking seawater during your endurance events?

http://rehydrate.org/dehydration/  .. read treatment section.

Salt is used to cure meat, aka dehydrate.

And, yet, people take salt tabs during races. 

Look, drinking excessive sea water is a bad idea because your body will have too much salt and will try to get rid of it.  One way will be through water excretion (to transport the salt out of the body).  That would lead to dehydration if you don't follow up with drinking plain water.  Since you are unlikely to excrete much additionally while exercising, you are more likely to puke.  And that would dehydrate you too.  Something to be avoided. 

But, small amounts of sea water will not dehydrate you.  Nor would adding potassium help the situation any.  Sorry for taking the thread off on a tangent.  Do NOT drink sea water while swimming.

2011-07-14 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
So I brought some water with me when I swam yesterday.  I took a gu every 2000m and some water.  occasionally took a swig otherwise too, but in the end, I only consumed maybe 2/3 of the 500ml bottle of water.  hard to tell if really made any difference from last week, but it certainly didn't hurt any.


2011-07-14 11:44 AM
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enginerd - 2011-07-14 12:23 PM So I brought some water with me when I swam yesterday.  I took a gu every 2000m and some water.  occasionally took a swig otherwise too, but in the end, I only consumed maybe 2/3 of the 500ml bottle of water.  hard to tell if really made any difference from last week, but it certainly didn't hurt any.

Your body can handle some dehydration, so it's not likley to make a notable difference on your performance unless you are working very hard and/or for a very long time.  Like I said, I almost never drink while I swim (though I only go up to an hour and I often don't drink when I run for that duration either).  I do drink immediately afterwards.

2011-07-14 11:56 AM
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JohnnyKay - 2011-07-14 9:03 AM
synthetic - 2011-07-13 6:26 PM
JohnnyKay - 2011-07-13 1:25 PM

synthetic - 2011-07-13 2:15 PM hmm I wonder, would consuming a banana type gel (whatever is high in potassium) offset dehydration of drinking salt water?

Salt water is not 'dehydrating'.  It's mostly, surpise, water.

So why arent you drinking seawater during your endurance events?

http://rehydrate.org/dehydration/  .. read treatment section.

Salt is used to cure meat, aka dehydrate.

And, yet, people take salt tabs during races. 

Look, drinking excessive sea water is a bad idea because your body will have too much salt and will try to get rid of it.  One way will be through water excretion (to transport the salt out of the body).  That would lead to dehydration if you don't follow up with drinking plain water.  Since you are unlikely to excrete much additionally while exercising, you are more likely to puke.  And that would dehydrate you too.  Something to be avoided. 

But, small amounts of sea water will not dehydrate you.  Nor would adding potassium help the situation any.  Sorry for taking the thread off on a tangent.  Do NOT drink sea water while swimming.

 

yea makes sense, because seawater is NaCl , and the body just needs Na for heart pumping,  so adding K would worsen the situation

2011-07-14 12:00 PM
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TriAya - 2011-07-13 3:18 PM

Tom Demerly. - 2011-07-14 4:15 AM

On long open water swims, especially in very hot weather and during the daytime, you have to drink. It isn't a big concern for triathletes since our swims are short and fast, but for the Olympic level open water swimmers going 10 kilometers they swim through a floating dock aid station.

For military open water swimmers who are swimming slowly, mostly with their fins, often fighting outgoing tides, drinking during the swim keeps you hydrated and improves your bouyancy since the drinks reservoir or canteen you drink out of adds floatation as it is emptied. Hydration reservoirs can be inflated to maintain bouyancy during very long swims too.

Awesome. Where can I get these? Does trisports stock them by any chance?



The commercial name would be "Camelbak".
2011-07-14 12:08 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
JohnnyKay - 2011-07-14 7:03 AM
synthetic - 2011-07-13 6:26 PM
JohnnyKay - 2011-07-13 1:25 PM

synthetic - 2011-07-13 2:15 PM hmm I wonder, would consuming a banana type gel (whatever is high in potassium) offset dehydration of drinking salt water?

Salt water is not 'dehydrating'.  It's mostly, surpise, water.

So why arent you drinking seawater during your endurance events?

http://rehydrate.org/dehydration/  .. read treatment section.

Salt is used to cure meat, aka dehydrate.

And, yet, people take salt tabs during races. 

Look, drinking excessive sea water is a bad idea because your body will have too much salt and will try to get rid of it.  One way will be through water excretion (to transport the salt out of the body).  That would lead to dehydration if you don't follow up with drinking plain water.  Since you are unlikely to excrete much additionally while exercising, you are more likely to puke.  And that would dehydrate you too.  Something to be avoided. 

But, small amounts of sea water will not dehydrate you.  Nor would adding potassium help the situation any.  Sorry for taking the thread off on a tangent.  Do NOT drink sea water while swimming.

The salinity of the human body and salt water is different. Salt water is hypertonic (~3% vs. ~0.9% for humans), so that it will not be absorbed without requiring additional water. Same reason you should drink water when eating a gel - otherwise your body has to provide the water, which can contribute to dehydration. With gels, it's not as big a deal because you don't eat a gel thinking it's quenching your thirst. When drinking sea water, OTOH, you are doing this to quench your thirst but it is doing the opposite. Finally, our kidneys aren't efficient enough to eliminate the salt from our urine without requiring additional water. So to remove the additional salt taken in from sea water, you also need to pee more which increases dehydration.

I used to drink more during my swim training than I do now (pool swims). If I forget water, I don't really notice it but if it's there, I'll drink it. Like others mentioned, the pool is pretty warm and it's easy to sweat in it.

2011-07-14 12:11 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
Scout7 - 2011-07-15 2:00 AM
TriAya - 2011-07-13 3:18 PM
Tom Demerly. - 2011-07-14 4:15 AM

On long open water swims, especially in very hot weather and during the daytime, you have to drink. It isn't a big concern for triathletes since our swims are short and fast, but for the Olympic level open water swimmers going 10 kilometers they swim through a floating dock aid station.

For military open water swimmers who are swimming slowly, mostly with their fins, often fighting outgoing tides, drinking during the swim keeps you hydrated and improves your bouyancy since the drinks reservoir or canteen you drink out of adds floatation as it is emptied. Hydration reservoirs can be inflated to maintain bouyancy during very long swims too.

Awesome. Where can I get these? Does trisports stock them by any chance?

The commercial name would be "Camelbak".

Those guys swim with something like a Camelbak on??? (horrified)

I thought of that, but there's no way in hell I'm swimming with a Camelbak. That's just nuts. Then again, those guys have a boatload of stuff to carry and most of the time they're not swimming for speed.



2012-05-21 10:19 AM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
TriAya - 2011-07-13 1:47 PM

popsracer - 2011-07-14 3:42 AM So, I'm out swimming in the lake. I'm 3/4ths through a long swim and I'm really thirsty. Probably not critical that I drink but I'm fighting the urge to swallow a little lake water (not a good idea). What type of gadgetry would one use to bring along a small amount of water?

I am thinking of such things quite a bit these days.

You could stick a small bottle down the back of your jammers.

You could wear a tri top and wedge a bottle in the pocket.

You could wear something like one of those elastic-strip only Amphipod belts with clip-on bottles.

I chew Extra or some kind of "sports" or "hydration" gum; I find it really helps with the dry mouth.

I wonder how hard it is to stop swimming, tread water and try to grab your flask, wherever you might have it stashed, and drink it. I'm afraid I will either lose the flask or have other problems like swallowing salt water too during all the ruckus. Maybe make like a sea otter? Chew gum while swimming? What if you inhaled it by accident? Sigh. I've got more to learn...
2012-05-21 1:13 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
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TriAya - 2011-07-13 2:47 PM

You could stick a small bottle down the back of your jammers.



Must resist making a bad joke...

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is that a bottle in your jammers or are you just happy to see me
2012-05-21 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
jaelinfunk - 2012-05-21 1:13 PM
RedCorvette - 2011-07-13 3:06 PM
TriAya - 2011-07-13 2:47 PM

You could stick a small bottle down the back of your jammers.



Must resist making a bad joke...

Mark
is that a bottle in your jammers or are you just happy to see me
Woah back of the jammers not good baby Ruth style
2012-05-21 5:18 PM
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Subject: RE: consuming liquids while swimming
TriAya - 2011-07-13 12:47 PM

I chew Extra or some kind of "sports" or "hydration" gum; I find it really helps with the dry mouth.

You can chew gum while swimming?!?

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