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2011-09-20 8:14 AM

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Subject: Bay Bridge Swim Plan

My plans tend to be pretty simple. It is a 4.4 mile wetsuit legal swim.

 I figured that I would prep for 2012 BBS by swimming 3x/week.

1 Long/Slow swim with pull buoy for about 50% of the swim.  Peaking at 2 hour swim about 3 weeks before race

1 Medium/Slow swim with pull buoy for about 75% of the swim.  1 hour.

1 Speed/drills with team. 1 hour.

This will be complemented by running/biking/strength, and maybe a little stretching.

WHAT DO YOU THINK???



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2011-09-20 8:22 AM
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Is this the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge?

Personally, and I'm no swimming expert, but I expect they will give you similar advice.  I would swim more.  5 to 6 times a week, the frequency helps with form, and you'll get more yards in.  You're plan should work, but if this is an 'A' event for you, I would swim more.  

Sounds interesting, looking forward to the report.

 

2011-09-20 8:26 AM
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Why so much pull buoy? Not being snerking, I'd really like to know.
2011-09-20 9:07 AM
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Reason for pull buoy?

1) It simulates wetsuit swimming.  Minimal kicking/body position

2) I like it better than "real swimming"

Bay Bridge swim in Maryland.



Edited by pga_mike 2011-09-20 9:07 AM
2011-09-20 10:29 AM
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I did this race in 08 and plan to do it again in 12 if I make the lottery. I was swimming 3-4 times a week (likely shooting for 4 and doing what I could) and running 2-3 times a week. I don't run hard, fast, or far, so if you're doing more you should be fine. If you're interested, my training log from November 07 on at least has the mileage I did in preparation (I had no 1 mile OWS on record, so I had to train for the 3 mile certification swim).

I felt very ready for the race based on my training. I did a lot of long (3+ mile swims) in preparation and have always felt comfortable in the water-- doing this was much less of a feat for me than say running a marathon would be. I loved every second of the 4.4.

Feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

Edited to add:
I didn't do that much pull buoying. Also, I wish I had done more speed work as I went through. Your once a week should be a huge help-- I didn't have a team to practice with. But I coulda used the extra cardio workout when I got stuck in a current in the first shipping channel! I did a decent amount (for me-- relative here) of abs and core work that I also think was really helpful.

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2011-09-20 1:29 PM
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pga_mike - 2011-09-20 8:14 AM

WHAT DO YOU THINK???

I would aim to peak at 12-15k/week.  Not sure if that means 4 or 6 hrs/week for you.  I don't think it matters how you get there, though for swimming I prefer higher intensities to lower, longer swims.  I have done very well getting into the 12k/week range when I have done my two 3.3 milers.

 

Oh, HTFU and put yourself into the bareback category.  Who needs wetsuits?



2011-09-20 1:29 PM
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What are your goals for the race? for training?
2011-09-20 2:03 PM
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I did the race this year on minimal training.  I swam 3x week in February for 45 minutes, barely swam at all in March and April (probably 1x week on average).  I was all set to skip the race, then I got selected in the Kona lottery and realized that I needed to ramp up all my training.  I swam 3x week from April 20 through the race, for 45 min to an hour twice a week, and a long pool swim on the weekend (6x1000 yards, for example) and one open water swim in a flooded quarry in Virginia that was about 2.5 hours long.  I also did a 1 mile and a 2 mile swim race on the same day in late May.  My time was very slow (about 2:45 or 2:50), but I finished comfortably. 

The water was very warm this year, and I didn't wear a wetsuit.  I really didn't want to overheat, but part of my reasoning was that I can't wear one at Kona, so I'd better get used to a long OWS without one.

2011-09-20 3:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Bay Bridge Swim Plan

Too much long and slow and pull buoy.

I do a LOT of long distance open water swim race training.  I rarely swim slow.  I do typical warmup/drills/main/cd formats for every swim.  The main set just gets longer with longer intervals.  Like last week I had 4x1k (which almost gets my coach lynched...seriously...I HATE the 1k!) at steady race pace (where race pace here isn't exactly blazing speed). Today was 9x300 steady.  "Steady" is essentially my "I can go forever but I'm not being lazy at all" pace.  I do a LOT of swimming at steady pace.

1k is the longest I have done in a stretch.  Okay, maybe ONE workout had ONE 1500.  Otherwise, longer main sets with long-ish intervals.

And ditch the pull buoy.  I'm not buying the "it simulates wetsuit swimming".  How about just train like you normally train and then be "pleasantly surprised" when it's easier in the wetsuit...

2011-09-20 5:03 PM
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Another thought-- Nanticoke River Swim (3 miles) was a great tune up for the race. It's about a month before Bay Swim. I found it much harder than Bay Swim-- water was cold, course wasn't well set up since I did it the first year, currents were overall stronger (although shipping channels in Bay were harder than any given point of Nanticoke, overall Nanticoke was tricker for me). I'll do it again to get ready.

If you look at my race report (http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=113326) the race director or someone commented and said they were working to change around some things for next year (That being 09) so I'm sure the buoys and such will be not a problem.

http://www.nanticokeriverswimandtri.com/

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TriAya - 2011-09-20 1:29 PM What are your goals for the race? for training?

My goal for the race is to not drown.

My goal for training is for my shoulders to look awesome.



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jldicarlo - 2011-09-20 3:10 PM

Too much long and slow and pull buoy.

I do a LOT of long distance open water swim race training.  I rarely swim slow.  I do typical warmup/drills/main/cd formats for every swim.  The main set just gets longer with longer intervals.  Like last week I had 4x1k (which almost gets my coach lynched...seriously...I HATE the 1k!) at steady race pace (where race pace here isn't exactly blazing speed). Today was 9x300 steady.  "Steady" is essentially my "I can go forever but I'm not being lazy at all" pace.  I do a LOT of swimming at steady pace.

1k is the longest I have done in a stretch.  Okay, maybe ONE workout had ONE 1500.  Otherwise, longer main sets with long-ish intervals.

And ditch the pull buoy.  I'm not buying the "it simulates wetsuit swimming".  How about just train like you normally train and then be "pleasantly surprised" when it's easier in the wetsuit...

I normally train with a lot of pull buoy time.  I don't kick.  I swam an effortless (aside from getting punched in the teeth) 1:11 at IM CdA in 56 F water.

2011-09-21 1:24 AM
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Haha...tonight was my first time in the water since CdA and I have a 2.4 mile OW race on sunday.  :D  Felt pretty good at least.
2011-09-21 6:24 AM
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pga_mike - 2011-09-21 11:06 AM

TriAya - 2011-09-20 1:29 PM What are your goals for the race? for training?

My goal for the race is to not drown.

My goal for training is for my shoulders to look awesome.

How bizarre ... I answered earlier but apparently it never posted.

Well, Pengy, you could bang out 4.4mi tomorrow and be just fine (provided you've done some maintenance swimming since CDA. Actually, probably even if you haven't.).

So if getting faster/more efficient isn't one of your goals, then train however you like and enjoy best.

As for your shoulders? Okay, then you're going to have to swim a LOT more and a LOT harder. Or spend a fraction of that time on specific strength/weight training.

2011-09-21 9:21 AM
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My two cents:

1. That plan will get you to your goal of finishing.

2. If you like using the pull buoy, use it. A happy swimmer is less likely to burn out

...ok... I lied... my third cent:

3. Do some intervals, mix it up to keep it interesting, but become very familiar with that pace at which you could swim forever.

Good luck!

2011-09-21 5:16 PM
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TriAya - 2011-09-21 6:24 AM
pga_mike - 2011-09-21 11:06 AM

TriAya - 2011-09-20 1:29 PM What are your goals for the race? for training?

My goal for the race is to not drown.

My goal for training is for my shoulders to look awesome.

How bizarre ... I answered earlier but apparently it never posted.

Well, Pengy, you could bang out 4.4mi tomorrow and be just fine (provided you've done some maintenance swimming since CDA. Actually, probably even if you haven't.).

So if getting faster/more efficient isn't one of your goals, then train however you like and enjoy best.

As for your shoulders? Okay, then you're going to have to swim a LOT more and a LOT harder. Or spend a fraction of that time on specific strength/weight training.

You were supposed to say, "How could they look any better?"



2011-09-21 11:42 PM
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pga_mike - 2011-09-22 7:16 AM
TriAya - 2011-09-21 6:24 AM
pga_mike - 2011-09-21 11:06 AM

TriAya - 2011-09-20 1:29 PM What are your goals for the race? for training?

My goal for the race is to not drown.

My goal for training is for my shoulders to look awesome.

How bizarre ... I answered earlier but apparently it never posted.

Well, Pengy, you could bang out 4.4mi tomorrow and be just fine (provided you've done some maintenance swimming since CDA. Actually, probably even if you haven't.).

So if getting faster/more efficient isn't one of your goals, then train however you like and enjoy best.

As for your shoulders? Okay, then you're going to have to swim a LOT more and a LOT harder. Or spend a fraction of that time on specific strength/weight training.

You were supposed to say, "How could they look any better?"

This thread is worthless without pics.

2011-09-22 4:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Bay Bridge Swim Plan
TriAya - 2011-09-21 11:42 PM
pga_mike - 2011-09-22 7:16 AM
TriAya - 2011-09-21 6:24 AM
pga_mike - 2011-09-21 11:06 AM

TriAya - 2011-09-20 1:29 PM What are your goals for the race? for training?

My goal for the race is to not drown.

My goal for training is for my shoulders to look awesome.

How bizarre ... I answered earlier but apparently it never posted.

Well, Pengy, you could bang out 4.4mi tomorrow and be just fine (provided you've done some maintenance swimming since CDA. Actually, probably even if you haven't.).

So if getting faster/more efficient isn't one of your goals, then train however you like and enjoy best.

As for your shoulders? Okay, then you're going to have to swim a LOT more and a LOT harder. Or spend a fraction of that time on specific strength/weight training.

You were supposed to say, "How could they look any better?"

This thread is worthless without pics.

I'll need to hit the "nair" unless you like your shoulders looking like they belong on a Kodiak Bear. 

But here is a decent one from IM Spud!



Edited by pga_mike 2011-09-22 4:49 PM
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One more for Yaya!

2011-09-23 5:20 AM
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1. Okay, really, your shoulders couldn't look any better.

2. You couldn't look much better either.

3. Pull buoy, long/slow, frickin' doggypaddle train if you like ... you'll be in a wetsuit and you can't drown, and having nailed 2.4mi at CDA you'll be totally fine for 4.4mi as long as you don't gas yourself out of the gate, which, with all the long/slow training, I don't imagine you would.

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