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2011-10-12 1:19 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-10-12 2:16 PM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

Excellent point.

 



2011-10-12 1:20 PM
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Big Appa - 2011-10-12 2:19 PM
lisac957 - 2011-10-12 11:16 AM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

Also do the people who say leave earlier get mad at bad drivers on the road when they are on a bike?

Mad?  No.  I just try to give them plenty of distance and stay safe.

 

2011-10-12 1:23 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-10-12 11:16 AM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

Also do the people who say leave earlier get mad at bad drivers on the road when they are on a bike?

Mad?  No.  I just try to give them plenty of distance and stay safe.

 

What if you can't? Do you not ride?
2011-10-12 1:26 PM
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Big Appa - 2011-10-12 2:23 PM What if you can't? Do you not ride?

What do you mean "if you can't?" 

No.

 

 

2011-10-12 1:34 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-10-12 2:16 PM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

Excellent point.

 

 

It's much easier to pass a cyclist than a car.

2011-10-12 1:37 PM
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JoshR - 2011-10-12 2:34 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-10-12 2:16 PM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

Excellent point.

 

 

It's much easier to pass a cyclist than a car.

Why would you say that?  It's easier for me to pass a car on a four lane highway than a cyclist on a two lane road.

 



2011-10-12 1:39 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-10-12 1:16 PM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

 

Simply pass them on the left, then move back over...  Same as in the cars...

2011-10-12 1:43 PM
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FrequentFlier - 2011-10-12 12:16 PM
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just curious...at what point are other drivers not "impeding" your progress?  70 mph? 75 mph?  Anyone going slower than you feel you need to drive?

Easy...at the point they act like reasonable considerate humans, demonstrated in part by:

1) passing when in the left lane

2) waiting to pull out if they're not willing to move at a reasonable speed relative to existing traffic

3) realizing they are impeding multiple cars and pull over at a reasonable opportunity (or move right) as referenced by the Idaho law of "holding up 3? pull the hell over."

4) abandoning the mindset that just because you're "legal" you have a "right" to stay where the hell ever you'd like to on the road.  speed limit and flow of traffic are of serious disconnect in some places, and as evidenced by the above arguments, the number on the sign is the apparent moronic reality, independent of traffic conditions (285 in atlanta?)

shall we keep going?

sounds reasonable.  Except for #3.  So if said speed limit is 65.  Driver in left lane is holding about 75 during rush hour.  Traffic is pretty heavy and is cruising along at 75 is slightly faster than lanes to the right.  Now there are 3 cars behind the driver in the left lane...all going about 75 in the 65.  Is this too slow?  Is it dangerous in your opinion?  Is it inconsiderate!  Because if I mofe to the lane to the right I will be stuck at 65-70.  I don't want to go that slow...I want to go steady 75.  Also, changing lanes multiple times impedes traffic as well.

Not trying to me a smartazz here.  Cause I do this...really, because I was once ticketed for going 11 over in a 65 during rush hour and I see it happen ocassionally during my work commute.  So am I a douche for going 10mph over in the fast lane cause some one else needs to go 80?

2011-10-12 1:48 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-10-12 12:16 PM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

I wouldn't say that I get road rage but some times I do get pizzed at driver's (mostly) and cyclists (sometimes).  Drivers for the most part when they are oblivious to what is going on around them...talking and texting while driving.  Cyclists...when they ride in a pack and are 2 sometimes 3 abreast.  If I am on a single lane road with no shoulder I have no problem if the cyclist is not being stupid.  But there are some stupid cyclist, just as there are stupid drivers.

2011-10-12 2:08 PM
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Legality issues aside, if being an a hole driving 64 in the left lane is "OK", then what about 63?  Or how about 62? 61?

I personally would think that anyone driving 11.23654 miles per hour under the speed limit is a jerk, but anyone going 11.23655 miles per hour under the speed limit (or more) is fine. Anything between the two is a grey area.

I remember when Texas used to have a slogan "Drive Friendly".  I miss the days when people got out of the way and didn't proclaim themselves judge, jury and executioner by sitting in the left lane.

2011-10-12 2:25 PM
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lisac957 - 2011-10-12 1:16 PM

Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

For clarification, this is what I get pizzed at:

1). If a vehicle is in the left-hand (passing) lane (identified in the United States), and moving at the same speed or slower than the vehicle in the right-hand lane and I'm in my vehicle trying to pass the vehicle in the right-hand lane.  The left-hand lane is identified as the "passing" lane, and not a "cruising" or "drive-at-the-same-or-slower-speed" lane.

If a bicyclist is riding their bike on a well-traveled two-way traffic road, but not as close to the right as they can safely be (identified in the United States), or at least attempt to move as close to the right as they safely can.  I think that all the continental United States laws identify Bicycle rules of the road that they must adhere to.  Here's an example of Florida's:
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Roadway Position (see Section 316.2065, F.S.)

  • A bicyclist who is not traveling at the same speed of other traffic must ride in a designated bike lane (see Bike Lane Law Explained) or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. A bicyclist may leave the right-most portion of the road in the following situations: when passing, making a left turn, to avoid road hazards, or when a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a car to share safely. (see Roadway Position Explained)
  • A bicyclist operating on a one-way street with two or more traffic lanes may ride as close to the left-hand edge of the roadway as practicable.
  • Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast shall not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, and shall ride within a single lane.

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Claiming ignorance is not acceptable.  Being an arrogant jackazz on the road, in either case, is not acceptable, too.



2011-10-12 2:28 PM
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Or, you could just leave a little earlier, leave a safe following distance and enjoy your day.

 

Or people could realize they're imposing their will on others, impeding progress, and move the F&^&# over.  

In the end, as I understand it in your world, it's my responsibility to account and adjust for those who are so selfish and inconsiderate that they can just impact others' lives without regard?



You mran in the same way fast drivers who are going 10-15-20 or more miles over the speed limit impact others lives without regard? I havent owned a car in many years but when i do drive i try to be aware of every other car on the road. That said, when on the interstate i have the cruise control on and if a car in the right lane is going slower than me i move to the left and pass. If the speed limit is 65 I tend to go 67-68. If someone zips up behind me at 90, well, they get to wait until its safe for me to move back over. Im not going to let someone who failed to plan ahead and leave early enough and is now in a big hurry force me to risk a bigger ticket than im already risking. And im DEFINITELY not going to do something stupid and dangerous like cut off the car im passing to accommodate them.
2011-10-12 2:31 PM
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Or, you could just leave a little earlier, leave a safe following distance and enjoy your day.

 

Or people could realize they're imposing their will on others, impeding progress, and move the F&^&# over.  

In the end, as I understand it in your world, it's my responsibility to account and adjust for those who are so selfish and inconsiderate that they can just impact others' lives without regard?

You mran in the same way fast drivers who are going 10-15-20 or more miles over the speed limit impact others lives without regard? I havent owned a car in many years but when i do drive i try to be aware of every other car on the road. That said, when on the interstate i have the cruise control on and if a car in the right lane is going slower than me i move to the left and pass. If the speed limit is 65 I tend to go 67-68. If someone zips up behind me at 90, well, they get to wait until its safe for me to move back over. Im not going to let someone who failed to plan ahead and leave early enough and is now in a big hurry force me to risk a bigger ticket than im already risking. And im DEFINITELY not going to do something stupid and dangerous like cut off the car im passing to accommodate them.

At least you're attempting to pass and not going slower or the same speed.  That's the difference to me.

2011-10-12 2:41 PM
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TexOma - 2011-10-12 12:08 PM

I remember when Texas used to have a slogan "Drive Friendly".  I miss the days when people got out of the way and didn't proclaim themselves judge, jury and executioner by sitting in the left lane.

This is what I was talking about. People are focusing on the legality of the issue but I am talking about the courtesy rules of the road. Like when driving in the mountains and some guy has to be a jerk going slow with more than 3 cars behind him and he refuses to pull over to let them pass just because. Why not be courteous?

2011-10-12 2:48 PM
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mr2tony - 2011-10-12 3:28 PM
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Or, you could just leave a little earlier, leave a safe following distance and enjoy your day.

 

Or people could realize they're imposing their will on others, impeding progress, and move the F&^&# over.  

In the end, as I understand it in your world, it's my responsibility to account and adjust for those who are so selfish and inconsiderate that they can just impact others' lives without regard?

You mran in the same way fast drivers who are going 10-15-20 or more miles over the speed limit impact others lives without regard? I havent owned a car in many years but when i do drive i try to be aware of every other car on the road. That said, when on the interstate i have the cruise control on and if a car in the right lane is going slower than me i move to the left and pass. If the speed limit is 65 I tend to go 67-68. If someone zips up behind me at 90, well, they get to wait until its safe for me to move back over. Im not going to let someone who failed to plan ahead and leave early enough and is now in a big hurry force me to risk a bigger ticket than im already risking. And im DEFINITELY not going to do something stupid and dangerous like cut off the car im passing to accommodate them.

In this particular case, I don't see you being a problem.  If you passed the person in the right lane and then chose to camp out in the left lane for no reason, when you could safely move back to the right without cutting off the guy you just passed, then that would change things. 

I think we can all agree that no one likes the a-hole who flies up on you, regardless of where you are on the highway and expects you to move for him/her.  I've only been talking about normal flow of traffic and common courtesy.

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I remember when Texas used to have a slogan "Drive Friendly".  I miss the days when people got out of the way and didn't proclaim themselves judge, jury and executioner by sitting in the left lane.

This is what I was talking about. People are focusing on the legality of the issue but I am talking about the courtesy rules of the road. Like when driving in the mountains and some guy has to be a jerk going slow with more than 3 cars behind him and he refuses to pull over to let them pass just because. Why not be courteous?

I personally agree more people should attempt to be a courteous driver. Leave earlier. Pay attention. Chillax with the road rage.

But the title of the thread implied that if the OP were an "officer of the law" and could write tickets... while in actuality most of these examples (but not all) are not actually breaking the law.



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Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

For clarification, this is what I get pizzed at:

1). If a vehicle is in the left-hand (passing) lane (identified in the United States), and moving at the same speed or slower than the vehicle in the right-hand lane and I'm in my vehicle trying to pass the vehicle in the right-hand lane.  The left-hand lane is identified as the "passing" lane, and not a "cruising" or "drive-at-the-same-or-slower-speed" lane.

If a bicyclist is riding their bike on a well-traveled two-way traffic road, but not as close to the right as they can safely be (identified in the United States), or at least attempt to move as close to the right as they safely can.  I think that all the continental United States laws identify Bicycle rules of the road that they must adhere to.  Here's an example of Florida's:
"

Roadway Position (see Section 316.2065, F.S.)

  • A bicyclist who is not traveling at the same speed of other traffic must ride in a designated bike lane (see Bike Lane Law Explained) or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. A bicyclist may leave the right-most portion of the road in the following situations: when passing, making a left turn, to avoid road hazards, or when a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a car to share safely. (see Roadway Position Explained)
  • A bicyclist operating on a one-way street with two or more traffic lanes may ride as close to the left-hand edge of the roadway as practicable.
  • Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast shall not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, and shall ride within a single lane.

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Claiming ignorance is not acceptable.  Being an arrogant jackazz on the road, in either case, is not acceptable, too.

While Washington's law is worded differently than the Florida law you posted and does not have mandatory bike lane use I do have a question about the bolded part above. If you come upon a cyclist riding on a two lane road with no shoulder (say city riding) and they are in the right tire track/right third of the right lane. are you going to get pissed at them for riding there because you think they could move farther right? The safety of lane position is determined by the cyclist so in cases like this I always assume a solitary cyclist has taken the safest lane position for themselves and thus I am ok to wait patiently until I can pass. (to answer Lisa's question). I do get a bit put out by a group of cyclists riding 3+ across and preventing anyone from passing them (ie riding in an illegal manner under Washington state law) but I do not rage against them.

2011-10-12 3:10 PM
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bel83 - 2011-10-12 2:51 PM
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Do the triathletes on this thread who get road rage from drivers going 5mph under the speed limit also get road rage from cyclists going a good 20-25mph under the speed limit?

Honest question, because it's the same thing.
  

For clarification, this is what I get pizzed at:

1). If a vehicle is in the left-hand (passing) lane (identified in the United States), and moving at the same speed or slower than the vehicle in the right-hand lane and I'm in my vehicle trying to pass the vehicle in the right-hand lane.  The left-hand lane is identified as the "passing" lane, and not a "cruising" or "drive-at-the-same-or-slower-speed" lane.

If a bicyclist is riding their bike on a well-traveled two-way traffic road, but not as close to the right as they can safely be (identified in the United States), or at least attempt to move as close to the right as they safely can.  I think that all the continental United States laws identify Bicycle rules of the road that they must adhere to.  Here's an example of Florida's:
"

Roadway Position (see Section 316.2065, F.S.)

  • A bicyclist who is not traveling at the same speed of other traffic must ride in a designated bike lane (see Bike Lane Law Explained) or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. A bicyclist may leave the right-most portion of the road in the following situations: when passing, making a left turn, to avoid road hazards, or when a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and a car to share safely. (see Roadway Position Explained)
  • A bicyclist operating on a one-way street with two or more traffic lanes may ride as close to the left-hand edge of the roadway as practicable.
  • Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles. Persons riding two abreast shall not impede traffic when traveling at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, and shall ride within a single lane.

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Claiming ignorance is not acceptable.  Being an arrogant jackazz on the road, in either case, is not acceptable, too.

While Washington's law is worded differently than the Florida law you posted and does not have mandatory bike lane use I do have a question about the bolded part above. If you come upon a cyclist riding on a two lane road with no shoulder (say city riding) and they are in the right tire track/right third of the right lane. are you going to get pissed at them for riding there because you think they could move farther right?

If they are actually as far as they can safely be, and per the two aspects that you bolded, above, then more than likely not (since the two bolded aspects are two different scenarios when not pieced together - I mentioned a well-traveled two-way traffic road and not a two-way traffic road that the lane(s) are too narrow).

 The safety of lane position is determined by the cyclist so in cases like this I always assume a solitary cyclist has taken the safest lane position for themselves and thus I am ok to wait patiently until I can pass. (to answer Lisa's question). I do get a bit put out by a group of cyclists riding 3+ across and preventing anyone from passing them (ie riding in an illegal manner under Washington state law) but I do not rage against them.

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Well, I'd give a citation to dumb a$ ezzz that are in front of you at the register, pay, and start to walk off while leaving their shopping cart in front of you for you to move so you can now pay and move forward.  Absurd.  I said something to a lady a year ago walking off.  Very nice, I just said, are you going to leave your cart here in front of me and she was somewhat biligerant saying I was not a gentelman but she moved her cart.
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hrliles - 2011-10-12 3:10 PM Well, I'd give a citation to dumb a$ ezzz that are in front of you at the register, pay, and start to walk off while leaving their shopping cart in front of you for you to move so you can now pay and move forward.  Absurd.  I said something to a lady a year ago walking off.  Very nice, I just said, are you going to leave your cart here in front of me and she was somewhat biligerant saying I was not a gentelman but she moved her cart.

Tell her to take the blinders off.

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I remember when Texas used to have a slogan "Drive Friendly".  I miss the days when people got out of the way and didn't proclaim themselves judge, jury and executioner by sitting in the left lane.

This is what I was talking about. People are focusing on the legality of the issue but I am talking about the courtesy rules of the road. Like when driving in the mountains and some guy has to be a jerk going slow with more than 3 cars behind him and he refuses to pull over to let them pass just because. Why not be courteous?

I personally agree more people should attempt to be a courteous driver. Leave earlier. Pay attention. Chillax with the road rage.

But the title of the thread implied that if the OP were an "officer of the law" and could write tickets... while in actuality most of these examples (but not all) are not actually breaking the law.

The OP was about blowing off steam in a funny way on COJ. To take anything on here too serious is kind of funny to me.  (Not aimed at you)



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I remember when Texas used to have a slogan "Drive Friendly".  I miss the days when people got out of the way and didn't proclaim themselves judge, jury and executioner by sitting in the left lane.

This is what I was talking about. People are focusing on the legality of the issue but I am talking about the courtesy rules of the road. Like when driving in the mountains and some guy has to be a jerk going slow with more than 3 cars behind him and he refuses to pull over to let them pass just because. Why not be courteous?

I personally agree more people should attempt to be a courteous driver. Leave earlier. Pay attention. Chillax with the road rage.

But the title of the thread implied that if the OP were an "officer of the law" and could write tickets... while in actuality most of these examples (but not all) are not actually breaking the law.

The OP was about blowing off steam in a funny way on COJ. To take anything on here too serious is kind of funny to me.  (Not aimed at you)

 

That was awfully rude of you to say. wink wink

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Devils advocate here.  I drive HWY 94 between Minnesota and Wisconsin quite often.  When the right lane is plugging along at 65, the left lane is usually running about 70.  It is also clearly stated along the entire stretch SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT.  When a driver gets out into the left lane to pass, but then just sits there running the same speed as the left lane.  It causes a big back-up which in turn causes mad drivers and road rage.  The logical thing to do would be to move back into the slower lane and let the faster moving traffic pass you.  If you are not supposed to go over 65, then the State patrol is not doing their job, they would be pulling over each and every car in the left lane.

 

It's funny and interesting to see where this post went... 

What soberTriGuy mentioned ^^^^ is exactly what happened.  I was only blowing off steam and did not mean anything more by it.  I was annoyed that the guy going 64 in the left lane was going slower than the people driving in the right lane and I was stuck.   They may not have been doing anything technically wrong depending on what state you're in but are they either 1. too oblivious to notice that they're holding up a line of cars behind them or 2. to arrogant to think they don't have to be courteous to the other people on the highway.  Either way, it bugged me yesterday so I posted here...

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I would issue tickets to everyone who thinks that their driveway parking area includes the side walk AND the street portion that would be the width of the parking lane.   Just park on the street if your driveway is full!

This is apparently not an issue in Reno, so if you are jogging on the side walk, you have to go around the car and out onto the street.

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And what about the car pool lanes...it doesn't mean that you can go 20 or 30 over the limit, it just means you have 2 or more people in the vehicle.

I have had drivers behind me practically up my donkey because I was going the speed limit in the HOV lane. 

And we have freeways out here where the speed limit is already 75.  How fast do you need or want to go anyway?

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