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2005-12-05 12:34 PM
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Oh man, Oso!  How can someone be soooo wrong?!

1) Notre Dame, the most storied program in the history of the game, can never be overrated.

2) The Big Ten is the best conference in the land because all the games were closer than any other conference.  It's not mediocrity that causes the parity...it's excellence, baby!

3) I'll agree that Tennessee was the most overrated and just a smidge more overrated than my beloved Hawkeyes. (See, I can admit it.)

4) & 5) Should be reversed.  Leinert sets Bush up.  When Reggie is playing for the J-E-T-S, JETS! JETS! JETS! next year, you will see that one man does not a team make.

6) If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.  Bottom line: UF didn't do as well as it should have and will be humilated on January 2, but I am a little biased.

7) Gotta go with the previously maligned Charlie Weis who turned around an historic program in a year and came within 7 sec. of beating the number one team in the land.  Notre Dame (Our Mother, PRAY FOR US!) is better than Texas.

Rose Bowl: Texas comes out swinging and puts USC on its heels from the start.  Carroll will make his halftime adjustments, but it will be too little, too late. TEXAS 35, USC 24

Orange Bowl: Jo Pa shows that he still has it.  He isn't gonna let Bobby get any closer in the all-time wins category.

Sugar Bowl: WVU doesn't really have a right to be here; they'll roll over for the Dogs.

Fiesta Bowl:  You've got this partly right; it will be a nail biter.  The Big Ten champs will be on the wrong end, though. 

Outback Bowl: Forida big?  How big?  I haven't seen a line on the game yet, but if you're giving points, I'm taking them!  Don't be fooled by the 7-4 record; Iowa's tougher than it looks.  The only two games that Iowa lost that weren't close were Ohio State and Iowa State, which still makes me shudder.  Bottom line: We run better than Florida, we pass better than Florida, and we score more than Florida.  Our questionable defense of the beginning of the season is replaced by a defense that held the leading rushers at Wisconsin and Minnesota to 18 and 10 yards respectively.  Both of these backs were over 1000 for the season in spite of these games. As I said in the opening: How big?  'Cuz if you're giving points in this game, I'm taking them!



2005-12-05 4:51 PM
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Hawkeye - 2005-12-05 9:34 AM

Rose Bowl: Texas comes out swinging and puts USC on its heels from the start. Carroll will make his halftime adjustments, but it will be too little, too late. TEXAS 35, USC 24



You're on crack. Texas will get stomped just like Oklahoma did. USC has better coaches, better players, and are playing at home.

2005-12-05 6:25 PM
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ChuckyFinster - 2005-12-05 1:19 PM

haha, you guys crack me up.

1. "SEC is the best conference"

Every team in the Pac-Ten looks bad when they have to play against USC.

2. "Notre Dame is overrated"

Sure they are, that's why they almost beat the #1 team in the country, and many people think because of the non-call push, that they got robbed.

3. "UCLA is overrated"

You site the BCS rankings as support for why the SEC is so good, but choose to ignore them when it involves UCLA. Talking out of both sides of your mouth.

4. "Texas will beat USC'

Did you watch any of the games before you opened your mouth? USC will beat the crap out of Texas. While the #4 team in the nation was busy losing to a #13, and while a #5 was losing to an unranked opponent, and a #2 was dropping 70 on an unranked opponent, USC dropped 60 points on a #12. That's the gap between USC and the rest of the country.

5. "Matt Leinart isn't a heisman candidate"

You probably said the same thing about Jason White.



1 - Exactly my point, one great team in the conference does not make that conference great. See UT in the Big 12

2 - Fresno state also almost beat USC, as did Arizona and Arizona State - and none of them are great teams. I do agree ND was robbed, but in comparison to most years, this was their easiest schedule. Also, did anybody remember Ty Willingham doing a similar job his first year at ND? I am not knocking Charlie Weiss (I am a Pats fan); in fact I laude him for bringing some swagger and joy back to South Bend. These points still don't mean ND is a number 6 squad - I think Auburn, Georga and OSU could beat them (the last one we will find out in Jan.).

3 - I was actually using the AP, but nice try slick.

4 - Texas dropped 70 on a team that ISN'T the 115/117 worst defense in the country (Colorado was 44th). And to say that USC will beat the crap out of Texas is wishful thinking at best. Here is the real question - if USC hadn't had last year for pollsters to look back on, would they still be #1? I am quite certain that USC had more close calls this year than UT did.

5 - No, actually I didn't. Actually your response does nothing to weaken my position that Leinart's job is, and has been easy, considering the offense that he does have. I DID say the same thing about Ken Dorsey, who was in similar shoes. This year Brady Quinn put up better numbers without all the studs that Leinart has.

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2005-12-05 10:39 PM
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I got severe tired head reading all the conference vs conference BS.  At this point, it doesn't matter.  The two best teams in the country are clearly USC and Texas.  I give the edge to Texas.  Yes, USC has a ton of weapons on offense(Leinart, Bush, White, Jarrett, etc).  But, they have not played a defense all year that is as physical or as fast as Texas.  Texas has 2 future NFL'ers on the d-line, at least one at linebacker, 2 maybe 3 in the defensive backfield.  USC's defense has played well in one game.  UCLA.  Texas has just as many offensive weapons as USC, they are just not yet all household names nationwide.  Their QB can beat you running, throwing or handing off.  They have 3 running backs that would start on 95 other D-I teams, a all american tight end, 2 very good receivers, and the best offensive line in college football.  And, if that wasn't enough, Texas plays great special teams.  The only way they lose is if Mack Brown figures out a way to screw it up(which is highly possible).

Trust me, as an Aggie, it pains me to say this.  But I am afraid it is true.

2005-12-05 10:46 PM
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Oh yeah, there is not a college team ever in the history of ever that would be a NFL team.  Let's just say that you have 11 offensive players, 11 defensive players.  For arguements sake we'll say they all play special teams since their the best players on the team.  It would be phenominal to have half of your team actually move on to play at the NFL level.  The other half will be selling insurance.  So that means you would have 1 team play another team with exactly half the talent level.  The NFL game is much faster and more physical.  Not to mention, the pro's spend at least 8 hours a day on football.  It is their job.  When was the last time you saw a number 1 QB pick come into the NFL and immediately light it up.  Doesn't happen.  Takes 2, 3, sometimes 4 years for them to get used to the speed and the complexities of the NFL game.
2005-12-06 6:11 AM
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ghart2 - 2005-12-05 10:46 PMOh yeah, there is not a college team ever in the history of ever that would be a NFL team.


Remember when TB entered the league, back in '76 I think? I think pretty much any college team could have beaten those chuckleheads.


2005-12-06 7:26 AM
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ghart2 - 2005-12-05 9:39 PM

The only way they lose is if Mack Brown figures out a way to screw it up(which is highly possible).

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Highly possible? Watching him coach over the last few years, I'd say it's a virtual certainty.

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2005-12-06 8:10 AM
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run4yrlif - 2005-12-06 5:11 AM
ghart2 - 2005-12-05 10:46 PMOh yeah, there is not a college team ever in the history of ever that would be a NFL team.


Remember when TB entered the league, back in '76 I think? I think pretty much any college team could have beaten those chuckleheads.

Did TB really count as an NFL team their first couple of years in the league?  Could the best team of 1976 have beaten them?  I still think it is questionable.  But I was 6 at the time and my football analysis was not nearly as acute as it is now.

2005-12-06 8:37 AM
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ChuckyFinster - 2005-12-05 4:51 PM
Hawkeye - 2005-12-05 9:34 AM Rose Bowl: Texas comes out swinging and puts USC on its heels from the start. Carroll will make his halftime adjustments, but it will be too little, too late. TEXAS 35, USC 24
You're on crack. Texas will get stomped just like Oklahoma did. USC has better coaches, better players, and are playing at home.

This game is a match-up between two teams that have been able to play their style of football and not have to adapt much to what the opponents are doing.  e.g. I don't think Texas schemed much for Colorado, but you can darn well be sure that Coloardo schemed for Texas.

So, the big quesiton in this game is going to be this:  who can stick to their own game plan the longest?  How long before one team or the other has to adjust?  I think Texas will make USC react to them first.

2005-12-06 8:50 AM
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USC - Texas

Without a doubt the two best offensive teams in the nation. In fact they are ranked 1 and 2 in scoring. Texas 1 USC 2. So lets look at defense.

Lets start with USC. USC Has played 6 of the top 25 scoring offenses in college football this year. Number 5,6,7,9,11 and 22. THey also played Cal which is 26 but we will stick with the top 25. THose 6 teams cumulatively averaged 36.8 points this year. THey averaged 24.6 against USC. So they averaged 12 points less per game even though USC was averaging almost 50 points a game and these teams were trying to keep up.

Now Texas. Hmmmmm They played Tech, the number 4 offensive team in the nation and took there 42.1 points pergame down to 17. And they played.... oh wait thats it. Ohio st. is 28th but to include them we would have to include Cal which would make USC's case stronger.

ANyways, both teams are unreal and I can't wait for the game. I think they can both put up huge numbers but I don't think the Texas D has faced anyone worth mentioning since the ohio st game. And there will be 4 months between that game and the rose bowl.

So my prediction is USC 34- Texas 24. Or maybe Texas 34- USC 24. Its confusing growing up in California, moving to Texas for 5 years and now preparing to move back to Cali next spring. I keep forgetting who I am supposed to be rooting for.
2005-12-06 8:56 AM
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I think ya'll are being a bit conservative on the score, I'm thinking something like

178 - 152 USC edges out Texas


2005-12-06 9:01 AM
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I don't know who those top 25 offenses were, but I think you have to look at that.  How many of those 6 are PAC 10 teams?  The PAC 10 is typically not a big defensive conference.  Most PAC 10 teams are usually more offensive oriented.  If you play in a conference that emphasises offense more than defense, then that could inflate your offensive numbers.  That being said, Texas played in second worst major conference.  So that could say something about their numbers as well.  All I know is, they went into the Horse Shoe in prime time against a top 10 defense.  They put up 25 points and won.  That was their 2nd game of the season.  I don't think they flat out stop USC, I do think they can slow them down.  With their offensive firepower being so comparable, slowing the other team down a little bit may be enough to win.

Texas 42 USC 28

2005-12-06 9:07 AM
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Well then think abou it this way. USC gave up 21 points a game in the PAC 10 and Texas gave up 14 points a game in the Big 12. Which is better there?
2005-12-06 9:08 AM
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Mack Brown......living proof that if you keep doing something long enough, eventually you will succeed, if purely by accident...........no coach in college football has done less with more the past few years. Texas is always ranked #1 or #2 in recruiting and until last year had not won a "big game" in the Mack Brown era.

With both teams so evenly matched I think that the coaching will be the deciding factor:

USC by 7

2005-12-07 1:06 PM
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El Oso - 2005-12-04 5:13 PM

The SEC is the best conference, again.
SEC is the best because they have the most teams going to a bowl?...nope....ACC/Big Ten 7
SEC is the best because they have the most teams in the BCS?...nope....Big Ten 2

Nobody is faster, hits harder or plays defense like they do in the south

That is a very biased statement. If you take a look at this years 1st and 2nd team All Americans on defense (and well offense for that fact) that the SEC is remarkably unrepresented.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/ncaa/all.america/ind...

As for which conference is the best, we are going to have to wait until after the bowls to really make an accurate guess.

1. The PAC-10 seems to be defenseless
2. The BIG-12 seems to be...well...bad as a whole minus texas.
3. The SEC/ACC seem to have a few strong teams...but they choked when it really mattered.
4. The BIG-10 is either very mediocre or they are really good....

Its a shame that because of the way the BCS is now we cannot see more high level inter-conference games like Ohio St - Texas and USC - Notre Dame. Most teams are not willing to risk a shot at the National Championship and play a good team from another conference.
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That_guy - 2005-12-06 5:50 AM

So my prediction is USC 34- Texas 24. Or maybe Texas 34- USC 24. Its confusing growing up in California, moving to Texas for 5 years and now preparing to move back to Cali next spring. I keep forgetting who I am supposed to be rooting for.


USC, duh...



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Pac 10 is not getting its props as usual. Oregon could be #2 after USC pounds Texas.
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jwbrandon - 2005-12-07 1:06 PM

USC - Notre Dame.


USC-ND happens almost every year. Over 75 times.

My suggestion for the BCS, eliminate automatic berths for conference champions. Would allow #7 Auburn or #8 Georgia to play instead of a #22 FSU.

Each year, one bowl gets the 1-2 matchup. The other bowls are free to fill their card with any available team.

Or...let each bowl fill in with major conference tie-ins regardless of some mythical BCS ranking. Would present some problems for independents like ND. Really wouldn't be any more controversial than the BCS has been since it was hatched.

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McFuzz - 2005-12-07 10:47 AM

USC-ND happens almost every year. Over 75 times.

My suggestion for the BCS, eliminate automatic berths for conference champions. Would allow #7 Auburn or #8 Georgia to play instead of a #22 FSU.

Each year, one bowl gets the 1-2 matchup. The other bowls are free to fill their card with any available team.

Or...let each bowl fill in with major conference tie-ins regardless of some mythical BCS ranking. Would present some problems for independents like ND. Really wouldn't be any more controversial than the BCS has been since it was hatched.



No kidding. Two years in a row that Oregon is getting the shaft. This year they get to pound Oklahoma in submission. What sux is the directors signed a five year extension with the BCS. Some serious juggheads running athletic programs.
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BIG TEN (ELEVEN)=Football in slow motion.............

Why the heck do you think all the Big Ten stadiums with natural grass look like something that you would get a notice from your Home Owners Association if it were in your neighborhood? They fear SPEED (i.e. SEC, PAC-10)...............

Bit of trivia for you: Anyone know when the last time the University of Georgia lost to a Big Ten (ELEVEN) school? 1965 Michigan at the Big House (UGA returned and beat the Maize and Blue in their own back yard the next year, the two teams haven't played since). Why is this significant? The SEC and Big Ten meet in bowl games practically every year!!

Remember speed kills....................................

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El Oso - 2005-12-04 5:13 PM

The SEC is the best conference, again.
SEC is the best because they have the most teams going to a bowl?...nope....ACC/Big Ten 7
SEC is the best because they have the most teams in the BCS?...nope....Big Ten 2

Nobody is faster, hits harder or plays defense like they do in the south

That is a very biased statement. If you take a look at this years 1st and 2nd team All Americans on defense (and well offense for that fact) that the SEC is remarkably unrepresented.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/ncaa/all.america/ind...

As for which conference is the best, we are going to have to wait until after the bowls to really make an accurate guess.

1. The PAC-10 seems to be defenseless
2. The BIG-12 seems to be...well...bad as a whole minus texas.
3. The SEC/ACC seem to have a few strong teams...but they choked when it really mattered.
4. The BIG-10 is either very mediocre or they are really good....

Its a shame that because of the way the BCS is now we cannot see more high level inter-conference games like Ohio St - Texas and USC - Notre Dame. Most teams are not willing to risk a shot at the National Championship and play a good team from another conference.


Actually, I was basing my claim that the SEC is best on the fact that they have 3 teams in the top 10, and 5 in the top 20. No other confernce is close to that (Pac10, Big 10 and ACC all have 3). In fact the ACC has the most ranked teams, but 3 reside in the 21-25 bracket. It is because the ACC has 6 ranked overall that I placed them into a tie with the Big10.

I think most people will say that the BCS is complete garbage, and the coaches poll may be more biased than the BCS (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/12/07/mailbag/index.html)

While you make a good point in the all american awards, remember that I am not looking at individual achievements, but rather at total team play.

I also agree that we really should wait until it is all over to make a more definitive statement on conference superiority. Although, I am not certain who you mean by "choked when it mattered most" in the SEC - ACC definitely (ahem, VT?).

The Big10 is represented by two great teams (PSU, OSU) and then a wash in the middle, with IU bringing up the rear as usual.

Don't mention defense to the Pac-10 - it is like kryptonite.

And last, it is a shame that we don't have a playoff - but then, who determines who enters the playoff? This year, going on top 8 (this would only add 2 more games to the season) - you would be looking at UM and LSU teams that certainly deserve to see if they can play with the rest of the group on the outside looking in.


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Yea, the NCAA selection committee can't even get it right with 64 basketball teams.
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They may leave teams some of the "best" teams below the top 50, but everyone in contention gets in.

Scarp the BCS and the bowls in favor of a 16 team playoff, like D1AA, D2 and D3.

Yes...to hell with the bowls.



McFuzz - 2005-12-08 9:09 AMYea, the NCAA selection committee can't even get it right with 64 basketball teams.
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McFuzz - 2005-12-08 9:09 AM Yea, the NCAA selection committee can't even get it right with 64 basketball teams.

But in that case, the "bubble" and the teams that might be excluded are no better than, say, 60th in the country. You never see anyone snubbed by the committee making a claim to the national championship.

IMHO, I think a post-season tournament as small as 8 teams would be sufficient to determine a national championship. Again, you could conceivably have a team with as high a claim as, say, 5th getting snubbed, but no way is a #5 team going to legitimately stake a claim on the championship.

Someone above said that a team such as LSU might claim to be there, but IMHO and as an LSU fan, we failed in the "qualifiers," particularly in the SEC Championship where we got drubbed by a superior team. If they held a tournament of eight, only the most illogical Tiger fans would say they belonged. It's a playoff for the National Championship, not a Top 8 ranking.

All pipe dreams anyway, a real playoff will never happen.

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