Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary
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2011-11-12 1:14 PM |
Expert 972 Falls Church | Subject: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Today was first experience riding new bike on hills. Going downhill was kinda scary! And working in standing position much different than my regular bike. |
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2011-11-12 1:18 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Master 1793 Essex Jct, VT | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Yeah. Perhaps I should be more scared. Right now though, my desire to go fast outweighs my fear of falling. That may change; I hope not though. |
2011-11-12 1:27 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Expert 2555 Colorado Springs, Colorado | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Really? What is your standard bike? Do you let it fly or ride the brakes on your standard bike? Maybe because I used clipon aerobars on my road bike for many years prior to getting a tri bike it didn't seem like much of a difference. |
2011-11-12 2:34 PM in reply to: #3899602 |
Expert 972 Falls Church | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Donskiman - 2011-11-12 1:27 PM Really? What is your standard bike? Do you let it fly or ride the brakes on your standard bike? Maybe because I used clipon aerobars on my road bike for many years prior to getting a tri bike it didn't seem like much of a difference. I have an old road bike as my other bike. I don't ride the brakes but at least they are close at hand if I need them! Also the old bike does not go nearly as fast. |
2011-11-12 2:48 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Member 146 | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary I'm a downhill wimp - I don't ride them in my aerobars because we have so many deer around here, and my biggest fear is hitting one at 35 mph. Unless it's race day, then my will to win overcomes my self-preservation instinct. |
2011-11-12 2:58 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
798 | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary You will get more comfortable as you practice, but remember there is no rule that says you have to stay tucked. There are few hills around here that if I stayed in aero on I'd be hitting 40+. It's huge risk with zero training benefit. |
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2011-11-12 3:50 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Ride the down hills on the bull horns if you feel more comfortable. I love riding down hill as fast as possible but my daughter is cautious going down hills. I encourage her to take the speed with what feels comfortable and not push it. It will get better in time by riding hills more. |
2011-11-12 4:02 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary depending on weather and road conditions I'm good on the aero bars until about 35 - 40 mph. No shame in having your hands near the brakes when you need them. |
2011-11-12 5:21 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Extreme Veteran 655 Victoria | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Downhills are my favourite! There's nothing more exhilarating than flying down a hill that I just conquered riding up. |
2011-11-12 5:40 PM in reply to: #3899762 |
Master 1681 Rural Ontario | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary I start to get nervous going downhill above 45km/hr (30mph) and go into the bullhorns. |
2011-11-12 6:46 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Master 1929 Midlothian, VA | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary I haven't encountered a long enough steep descent to get scared yet. Done a bit over 40mph. Hardly any hills around here long enough to spin out on, especially since I changed my cassette to one with an 11 instead of a 12. There's something satisfying about hearing cars have to speed up to pass you on a downhill, though I don't understand why they think they need too. I'm still waiting for the day some jerk speeds up to pass me when I'm pushing the speed limit already and gets pulled over. I'd slow down as much as necessary to give 'em a nice big wave. And given the extra weight, my old hybrid was probably just as likely to hit the higher speeds if not more. On tri-bikes you are more aero with possibly faster wheels but weigh a bit less so it might be a wash on descent speeds. |
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2011-11-12 7:30 PM in reply to: #3899811 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary faded_memories - 2011-11-12 8:46 PM And given the extra weight, my old hybrid was probably just as likely to hit the higher speeds if not more. On tri-bikes you are more aero with possibly faster wheels but weigh a bit less so it might be a wash on descent speeds. It should definitely not be a wash - a more aero bike and a much more aero position will result in faster descents. For the OP, it will come with practice. Descend in aero where you are comfortable and the move to the pursuit bars. You will likely be able to stay in aero a little be longer as you gain experience until you are able to handle most descents without having to break aero. Shane |
2011-11-12 8:05 PM in reply to: #3899856 |
Master 2563 University Park, MD | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary gsmacleod - 2011-11-12 8:30 PM It should definitely not be a wash - a more aero bike and a much more aero position will result in faster descents. For the OP, it will come with practice. Descend in aero where you are comfortable and the move to the pursuit bars. You will likely be able to stay in aero a little be longer as you gain experience until you are able to handle most descents without having to break aero. Shane Completely agree with this. A tri bike can descend quite quickly - that's the whole point of having a more aero rig. I am a weenie on the descents, especially since a bad crash last year, and I was terrified when first descending in the aerobars. Practicing on steadier/straighter descents with good visibility helped me a lot. The key was learning a sense of how quickly I would be able to get to the brakes if needed. I'm still not good, but a lot more comfortable than I was at first. |
2011-11-12 8:54 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Pro 4360 Baton Rouge area | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Don't get to practice downhills as much as I like. Hit near 40mph at Austin, scared sh$tless but was loving every second. Getting better at going down hills. |
2011-11-12 9:53 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Extreme Veteran 1704 Penticton, BC | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Just thinking about descents gets me keyed up. My fastest so far was 57Kph (35mph) and that was scary enough so I ride the brakes on my descents. I do believe I will get faster with practice and other more skilled BTer's assure me that if I relax on the bike I'll get more comfortable with it. |
2011-11-13 8:47 AM in reply to: #3899593 |
Veteran 555 | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Descending fast on a bike is one of the few great, legal thrills for adults. Assuming a clear road, dry pavement, etc. the bike can handle it, the question is 'can the pilot?'
For triathlon, look at your heart rate data or power data after a training ride. You have to really push on the downhills to keep a uniform heart rate or power output. In my opinion this is one of the small hidden pockets of "free speed". The corollary is you have to go really easy on the climbs not to spike your heart rate.
There's a long, not too steep hill on my weekly group ride. The descent has a long curve near the bottom. It took me 10+ tries to do it on my road bike without touching the brakes. It's not THAT steep - coasting at 30-32 mph. A guy in the group, who is an avid motorcyclist, said 'keep your eyes focused on the inside of the curve'. Now I never use the brakes. In the last month before my IM I rode tri bike. The second week I was able to take that descent, on the aerobars, no brakes, at 33-35 mph. I envisioned myself as a tucked in downhill snow skier. ZOOM. Thrilling.
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2011-11-13 9:06 AM in reply to: #3899593 |
Member 86 | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary I need to find my pics, but on a road bike, I've hit 90km/h twice. Once in France, coming down la Col D'izoard, and another in the town of Rigaud, near Montreal. I have no interest in going those speeds again. In both of these cases I was in the drops, so I could lightly feather the brakes to slow down as needed. Hitting fast speeds on a tri set up frightens me as there is no easy brakeing when you're on the aero bars. |
2011-11-13 10:33 AM in reply to: #3899593 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary No question fast descents (>35-40mph) with tri bike can be trickier, especially if less experienced on that bike. I enjoy a fast downhill as much as anybody, HOWEVER...... Please, PLEASE ride smart, maintain situational awareness, & keep it under control. Bad things can happen FAST at those speeds & you need to look further down the road for hazards. Just last month we had a tragic crash near here involving 3 cyclists in terrain with many short (<0.5mi) steep (>10% grade) hills & a few curves with limited sight distances. Two descending riders were hit head-on by another rider who had just come down another hill. Apparently none of the involved riders noticed the oncoming rider(s) until it was too late. One of the injured was left paralyzed from chest down. Live to ride, but ride to live. |
2011-11-13 11:27 AM in reply to: #3899662 |
Expert 972 Falls Church | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary rexcoltrain - 2011-11-12 2:58 PM Last sentence is key for me. I hadn't thought of this. So I will do this loop periodically to get practice on the downhills but won't push it. I don't think my planned races for next year have too many hills. Will have to check. Thanks for the tips everyone.You will get more comfortable as you practice, but remember there is no rule that says you have to stay tucked. There are few hills around here that if I stayed in aero on I'd be hitting 40+. It's huge risk with zero training benefit. |
2011-11-13 5:58 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Veteran 1900 Southampton, Ontario | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Hmm, I really dont know about the "zero benifit" idea. While it wont physically benifit you it certainly can help in the mental aspect AND gain you a lot of speed. If you limit your speed to 50km/h on a down hill and I were to pass you at 70km/h I would obviously be further ahead by the bottom of the hill, more importantly I could coast, or pedal lightly (or heavily) UP the hill furthering my lead as I would be carrying more speed. Repeat this over and over again on a rolling hilly course and the difference could be significant.
I dont think you should haul yourself up to the top of a ski hill and hurl yourself down but I do think you can work to slowly increase your speed and confidence. I see down hills as "free speed". In a sport where people spend thousands to be more aero and lighter in the quest for speed I think it only makes sense to maximize your "free speed". (its also fun once you get used to it)
How to ride hills - Or at least how I ride hills - Stay loose, elbows and knees bent to absorb the small bumps, look well ahead focusing on where you want to go NOT on the nasty crack or pot hole. Carefully watch other riders looking for hints that they might be pulling out to pass and be sure to mind your back that others may be coming up and passing you. Be ready to gradually reduce speed if needed. |
2011-11-13 7:08 PM in reply to: #3899811 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary faded_memories - 2011-11-12 6:46 PM I haven't encountered a long enough steep descent to get scared yet. ... I know it isn't anything like Colorado, but, come on over to the IM Wisconsin loop or the Horribly Hilly Hundreds bike course - you'll have some fun! |
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2011-11-14 10:28 AM in reply to: #3899593 |
Veteran 648 St Louis, Missouri | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary I guess I'm too dumb to be scared. I love downhills. Just tuck in, put one knee on the frame to prevent the "death wobble" and enjoy the ride. To be honest, over 37mph...I close my eyes |
2011-11-14 10:51 AM in reply to: #3899593 |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Keep going with the speed. Familiarity will help with things. That doesn't mean to try and set a new record every time, but more time spent with some speed does help with ability and confidence. You'll want that familiarity as you get faster. I'm fine with low to mid 40's now, depending on the road conditions. With a decent tailwind, I'll could very well be doing mid-30's in the flats for a few miles. Knowing I can handle the bike well at faster speeds than this helps give me confidence to keep it up. |
2011-11-14 1:03 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Veteran 406 Salt Lake City | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Hills around here are way to curvy for me to just let it fly. Too many cars not staying in their lane as they drive around curves, lots of gravel scattered about, large animals wandering about, things like that. BUT, if I were to get on a long straight hill like I-70 through western Kansas, I would totally let it go :D OK, maybe not aerobars, but drops for sure.... |
2011-11-14 2:05 PM in reply to: #3899593 |
Veteran 290 | Subject: RE: Learning to go downhill on tri-bike = scary Doesn't everybody ride downhill in aero. Maybe I'm just nuts. I've even cornered at the bottom of a hill. I won't do that again.
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