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 2012-02-13 11:40 AM in reply to: #4042462 |
Elite  3277     Minnetonka |  Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has diedMy two cents. You can have it all, you can have nothing, you can have some of it Addiction doesn't care. If you are an addict, you have no control over it, and there are no consequences. It cannot be beat without outside help. |
| 2012-02-13 12:40 PM in reply to: #4044671 |
Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died SoberTriGuy - 2012-02-13 11:40 AM My two cents. You can have it all, you can have nothing, you can have some of it Addiction doesn't care. If you are an addict, you have no control over it, and there are no consequences. It cannot be beat without outside help. What does the bolded part mean?
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| 2012-02-13 12:53 PM in reply to: #4044845 |
Elite 3277 Minnetonka | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died lisac957 - 2012-02-13 12:40 PM SoberTriGuy - 2012-02-13 11:40 AM My two cents. You can have it all, you can have nothing, you can have some of it Addiction doesn't care. If you are an addict, you have no control over it, and there are no consequences. It cannot be beat without outside help. What does the bolded part mean?
I think you mis-understood what I meant to convey? I mean that when you are an addict YOU HAVE NO CONTROL over using your drug of choice. (Alcohol for me). I argued with myself as I was walking into the liquor store. When you do use/drink/shoot - up, in your mind, there are NO CONSEQUENCES to your actions. I've met people with 10 dwi's, i've read stories of drug addicts killing people. I'm pretty sure they were unaware of the consequences of their actions. |
| 2012-02-13 1:57 PM in reply to: #4042462 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia Bronze member | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died If an addict has no control how do they ever break free? How did you, then? Obviously you have some control otherwise addicts would never overcome anything. Not trying to simplify it too much but I have a hard time seeing how that phrase applies when people overcome addictions every day (including you). |
| 2012-02-13 2:03 PM in reply to: #4045084 |
Champion 11989  Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died lisac957 - 2012-02-13 2:57 PM If an addict has no control how do they ever break free? How did you, then? Obviously you have some control otherwise addicts would never overcome anything. Not trying to simplify it too much but I have a hard time seeing how that phrase applies when people overcome addictions every day (including you). It's kind of a dichotomy. An addict is powerless until he gives up trying to have power over the addiction and turns his will and his life over to a higher power. Surrender to win, as it were. |
| 2012-02-13 2:06 PM in reply to: #4042462 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back Gold member | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him. |
| 2012-02-13 2:17 PM in reply to: #4045098 |
Elite 3277 Minnetonka | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died mrbbrad - 2012-02-13 2:03 PM lisac957 - 2012-02-13 2:57 PM If an addict has no control how do they ever break free? How did you, then? Obviously you have some control otherwise addicts would never overcome anything. Not trying to simplify it too much but I have a hard time seeing how that phrase applies when people overcome addictions every day (including you). It's kind of a dichotomy. An addict is powerless until he gives up trying to have power over the addiction and turns his will and his life over to a higher power. Surrender to win, as it were. This and I do not believe an addict ever overcomes their addiction 100%. I consider myself lucky to be alive to have this conversation, and I certainly want to be alive.. |
| 2012-02-13 2:24 PM in reply to: #4045106 |
Elite 3277 Minnetonka | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died the bear - 2012-02-13 2:06 PM I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him.
not sure about this one. I've been unaware of the previous nights actions before.. |
| 2012-02-13 3:05 PM in reply to: #4045151 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died SoberTriGuy - 2012-02-13 2:24 PM the bear - 2012-02-13 2:06 PM I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him.
not sure about this one. I've been unaware of the previous nights actions before.. Having two sisters who are (well one now after the one offed herself with the drug) heroin addicts let me try to explain it from this side -- drug addicts don't care about the consequences. Because they're so focused on the next high, score, whatever that they don't actually care about the people they hurt. I say this because I saw the pain that my sisters caused my family, especially my mother. Which is why Whitney Houston, Amy Whitehouse et al don't get any sympathy from me. I do have sympathy for their kids and family and friends, but to me they were nothing but selfish. |
| 2012-02-13 4:02 PM in reply to: #4045084 |
Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died lisac957 - 2012-02-13 2:57 PM If an addict has no control how do they ever break free? How did you, then? Obviously you have some control otherwise addicts would never overcome anything. Not trying to simplify it too much but I have a hard time seeing how that phrase applies when people overcome addictions every day (including you). I think the confusion is in reference. Control of what? He said you can't control the addiction. The addiction controls you. That's what makes it an addiction. Take an alcoholic, for example. You have that one drink and it's Katie bar the door. Some alcoholics will tell you they are sober alcoholics (as opposed to using). You never stop being an alcoholic (addict); you just stop using. Or not. Haven't you ever seen shows or movies where an alcoholic is protesting that they can control their drinking? That they can take just one drink? That's denial. You're either using or you're not. With crack, there is no building-up to addiction period. Crack is especially dangerous because the chemical addiction occurs the first time you use it. Use it once and your brain chemistry/wiring is immediately compromised. Being sober is work for an addict. Being sober for someone who is not an addict is called a normal day. FWIW, I thought Rescue Me did an amazing job of telling the complex story of an addict. People aren't as cookie cutter as we'd like to make them out to be.
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| 2012-02-13 6:11 PM in reply to: #4045294 |
Elite 6387 | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died mr2tony - 2012-02-13 2:05 PM SoberTriGuy - 2012-02-13 2:24 PM Having two sisters who are (well one now after the one offed herself with the drug) heroin addicts let me try to explain it from this side -- drug addicts don't care about the consequences. Because they're so focused on the next high, score, whatever that they don't actually care about the people they hurt. I say this because I saw the pain that my sisters caused my family, especially my mother. Which is why Whitney Houston, Amy Whitehouse et al don't get any sympathy from me. I do have sympathy for their kids and family and friends, but to me they were nothing but selfish.the bear - 2012-02-13 2:06 PM I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him.
not sure about this one. I've been unaware of the previous nights actions before.. Sorry for your loss. Actually they do care...that's what makes it so messed up... but I understand where you are coming from. |
| 2012-02-14 10:44 AM in reply to: #4045106 |
Champion 5868 Urbandale, IA | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died the bear - 2012-02-13 2:06 PM I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him. I think this hits it well. It is a situation on not appreciating the consequences "in the moment" in the situqtions that I have been a part of or involve with. |
| 2012-02-14 11:13 AM in reply to: #4046734 |
Champion 12759 Chicago | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died jdwright56 - 2012-02-14 10:44 AM the bear - 2012-02-13 2:06 PM I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him. I think this hits it well. It is a situation on not appreciating the consequences "in the moment" in the situqtions that I have been a part of or involve with. I just came in to say hi to JD....RIP Whitney |
| 2012-02-14 11:24 AM in reply to: #4042462 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died As with most deaths a hearty RIP is warranted. However, as in all deaths it is about the living and not the dead. In that respect I find much of the tributes and heartfelt goodbyes to be embarrassing. I find them troubling as well given the way your average tween and teen seems to worship pop stars. |
| 2012-02-14 12:20 PM in reply to: #4046859 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died BigDH - 2012-02-14 11:24 AM As with most deaths a hearty RIP is warranted. However, as in all deaths it is about the living and not the dead. In that respect I find much of the tributes and heartfelt goodbyes to be embarrassing. I find them troubling as well given the way your average tween and teen seems to worship pop stars. I don’t think I’ll ever get used to celebrities tweeting their tributes and condolences over Twitter. I know it’s a new medium and it’s the way more and more people are communicating these days, so I suppose I might as well get used to it. But every time I see some b-lister tweeting some faux-sympathy like “@WhitneyHouston--So sad to hear u r gone! Luv 2 ur family!” it makes me want to hurl. If you miss her that much, send a freaking card. Or at least spell out the word “love”. Is that so much to ask for? |
| 2012-02-14 12:42 PM in reply to: #4045294 |
Master 1699 Malvern, PA | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died mr2tony - 2012-02-13 4:05 PM SoberTriGuy - 2012-02-13 2:24 PM Having two sisters who are (well one now after the one offed herself with the drug) heroin addicts let me try to explain it from this side -- drug addicts don't care about the consequences. Because they're so focused on the next high, score, whatever that they don't actually care about the people they hurt. I say this because I saw the pain that my sisters caused my family, especially my mother. Which is why Whitney Houston, Amy Whitehouse et al don't get any sympathy from me. I do have sympathy for their kids and family and friends, but to me they were nothing but selfish.the bear - 2012-02-13 2:06 PM I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him.
not sure about this one. I've been unaware of the previous nights actions before.. what he said... sorry to hear about your sister...
Edited by maxmattmick 2012-02-14 12:42 PM |
| 2012-02-15 2:36 PM in reply to: #4046823 |
Champion 5868 Urbandale, IA | Subject: RE: Whitney Houston has died NRG42 - 2012-02-14 11:13 AM jdwright56 - 2012-02-14 10:44 AM the bear - 2012-02-13 2:06 PM I also thInk you mean "unmindful" rather than "unaware" of the consequences of one's actions. It is hard for me to believe that in today's world someone does not know the risks of DUI, for example. The addict just doesn't feel that risk applies to him. I think this hits it well. It is a situation on not appreciating the consequences "in the moment" in the situqtions that I have been a part of or involve with. I just came in to say hi to JD....RIP Whitney
Hi Cheri. |
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