How did he pass class?
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2012-04-03 7:18 PM |
Regular 94 Norman | Subject: How did he pass class? Former LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, the highest-rated cornerback in the NFL draft, scored a 4 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test administered to prospects at the NFL scouting combine in February, sources confirmed to ESPN. Here is an example of the test http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html 3. Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will four pads cost? 7. A train travels 20 feet in 1/5 second. At this same speed, how many feet will it travel in three seconds? 15. A boy is 17 years old and his sister is twice as old. When the boy is 23 years old, what will be the age of his sister?
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2012-04-03 7:23 PM in reply to: #4128321 |
Expert 900 | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? Are you surprised??? |
2012-04-03 7:25 PM in reply to: #4128321 |
Master 2009 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? That is so sad. |
2012-04-03 7:37 PM in reply to: #4128321 |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? I agree, but the problem is not only with colleges. These are questions any decent high-school student could answer correctly (or at least should answer). So the question should be how he graduated from high-school, not college. And sadly, the answer would be the same. |
2012-04-03 8:00 PM in reply to: #4128321 |
Master 1441 North edge of nowhere | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? "Hello. Football is my life. I loves football... (skip ahead about 3 minutes in the skit) ... the mind is a terrible thing. And it must be stopped..." I recall an article about 10 years ago which discussed universities having to provide remedial classes for freshmen students who had graduated high school, but weren't up to college standards. This doesn't bode well for future generations! |
2012-04-03 8:59 PM in reply to: #4128321 |
Extreme Veteran 875 Issaquah | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? Curious as to why they bother administering these tests anyway. It's not like it will prevent them from signing someone that scores poorly but was an all star performer on the field. Alternatively, scoring highly probably isn't terribly well correlated with NFL performance either. What's the point of this test (and yes I fully agree that somebody graduating HIGH SCHOOL should be able to answer these questions, but that is a separate discussion IMO) |
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2012-04-03 9:05 PM in reply to: #4128489 |
Master 2538 Albuquerque | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? cnsegura - 2012-04-03 7:59 PM Curious as to why they bother administering these tests anyway. It's not like it will prevent them from signing someone that scores poorly but was an all star performer on the field. Alternatively, scoring highly probably isn't terribly well correlated with NFL performance either. What's the point of this test (and yes I fully agree that somebody graduating HIGH SCHOOL should be able to answer these questions, but that is a separate discussion IMO)
For some, I agree, but skill positions and especially QB's, there's a sweet-spot in the scoring that is almost a guarantee of a super star...IF the other skills are present. I listened to a great interview with one of the writers about this a few months back and they went through a bunch of the star QB's and their scores and all were over a certain number (I forget what it was). Every single one below was mediocre or worse. |
2012-04-03 9:06 PM in reply to: #4128321 |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? Seriously, the Wonderlic's a joke. I would love to see a legitimate scientific study comparing Wonderlic results with results on the field...taking into account draft position, etc. I have nothing to back it up, but my guess is that higher Wonderlic scores would have little to no correlation with performance on the field. I'd take Claiborne in the Top 10 without blinking an eye. The guy's a stud. Dan Patrick made a great point...players are going to start boycotting the test. Why take it? Dan Marino=16. Terry Bradshaw=15. A.J. Green=10. (I'd have drafted all three) btw, Marino was the 6th QB drafted in 1983...makes ya wonder if other teams were put off by his low Wonderlic. (sure, Elway and Kelly were excellent QBs, but Blackledge, Eason, and O'Brien, not so much) |
2012-04-03 10:08 PM in reply to: #4128505 |
Veteran 928 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? ChineseDemocracy - 2012-04-03 10:06 PM Seriously, the Wonderlic's a joke. I would love to see a legitimate scientific study comparing Wonderlic results with results on the field...taking into account draft position, etc. I have nothing to back it up, but my guess is that higher Wonderlic scores would have little to no correlation with performance on the field. I'd take Claiborne in the Top 10 without blinking an eye. The guy's a stud. Dan Patrick made a great point...players are going to start boycotting the test. Why take it? Dan Marino=16. Terry Bradshaw=15. A.J. Green=10. (I'd have drafted all three) btw, Marino was the 6th QB drafted in 1983...makes ya wonder if other teams were put off by his low Wonderlic. (sure, Elway and Kelly were excellent QBs, but Blackledge, Eason, and O'Brien, not so much) I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you are an LSU fan? Seriously? The dude scored a 4 out of 50. I think you get a few points for putting your name on the paper. Have you read the questions? Why is it a joke? Edited by jacasa 2012-04-03 10:10 PM |
2012-04-04 5:44 AM in reply to: #4128321 |
Veteran 242 | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? He took advantage of tutors and University learning resources to help with his learning disability. tragic that all these people are judging without knowing ALL the facts! |
2012-04-04 6:14 AM in reply to: #4128321 |
Pro 4838 | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? *Mod edit*Post removed for name calling. Post whatever opinion you'd like but do so within the forum rules. |
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2012-04-04 6:38 AM in reply to: #4128831 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? trisagain - 2012-04-04 5:44 AM He took advantage of tutors and University learning resources to help with his learning disability. tragic that all these people are judging without knowing ALL the facts! From where did you get your information? Or are you speculating like everybody else? |
2012-04-04 7:04 AM in reply to: #4128321 |
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2012-04-04 8:52 AM in reply to: #4128505 |
Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? ChineseDemocracy - 2012-04-03 9:06 PM Seriously, the Wonderlic's a joke. I would love to see a legitimate scientific study comparing Wonderlic results with results on the field...taking into account draft position, etc. I have nothing to back it up, but my guess is that higher Wonderlic scores would have little to no correlation with performance on the field. I'd take Claiborne in the Top 10 without blinking an eye. The guy's a stud. Dan Patrick made a great point...players are going to start boycotting the test. Why take it? Dan Marino=16. Terry Bradshaw=15. A.J. Green=10. (I'd have drafted all three) btw, Marino was the 6th QB drafted in 1983...makes ya wonder if other teams were put off by his low Wonderlic. (sure, Elway and Kelly were excellent QBs, but Blackledge, Eason, and O'Brien, not so much)
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I don't see any real correlation between the test and playing. Granted the test is easy (I think my daughter in fourth grade has had question #3), but I'm not sure what purpose it serves other than to embarrass the players who score low. I would argue that spatial recognition tests and pattern recognition tests would probably be more applicable. Does he REALLY need to know what 3 pads at .21 cents a piece equals when he's covering an out route to the back shoulder??????? For every knock down or interception he should throw up a 6-3 sign and yell " That's 63 cents beotch!!!!!". That would be funny. |
2012-04-04 8:59 AM in reply to: #4128930 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? trisagain - 2012-04-04 7:04 AM http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Morris-Claiborne-NFL-draft-LSU-Wonderlic-score-040312
Kudos to him. As was said, the Wunderlic is a joke. |
2012-04-04 9:34 AM in reply to: #4128321 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? One thing to consider here...the questions are not all rocket science, indeed. But what most people forget is there is a timed component. You have 12 minutes to answer 50 mc questions. Slower readers, or those with a reading disability, will be affected by this...even more so if the questions are on the computer. No comment on a specific individual one way or the other, and the test is used in a LOT of different jobs/fields, but like any standardized testing, there are some folks for whom it is difficult for other reasons than "low IQ". |
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2012-04-04 9:35 AM in reply to: #4128321 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? It has nothing to do with how he'll perform as a player however to give the kid a college degree is a disgrace to all those who actually earned their degrees. I understand that it's because of football programs that universities can have nice facilities and equipment but let's stop kidding ourselves here. Just start paying the players to play and don't make them take classes. It's obvious a lot of them are not anyway. |
2012-04-04 9:35 AM in reply to: #4128321 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? nhermes - 2012-04-03 8:18 PM Former LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, the highest-rated cornerback in the NFL draft, scored a 4 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test administered to prospects at the NFL scouting combine in February, Here is an example of the test 3. Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will four pads cost? 7. A train travels 20 feet in 1/5 second. At this same speed, how many feet will it travel in three seconds? 15. A boy is 17 years old and his sister is twice as old. When the boy is 23 years old, what will be the age of his sister?
He got 4 out of 50. Maybe he did get those questions right. And some don't pass their classes. Many don't graduate. So what? What's the point? I see what looks like track and field in your profile pic. Do you think colleges would have money for good track and field programs if it weren't for the major sports bringing in lots of money? I'm not saying it's right, but it's the system the NCAA has built. |
2012-04-04 9:42 AM in reply to: #4129192 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? Granted the test is easy (I think my daughter in fourth grade has had question #3), but I'm not sure what purpose it serves other than to embarrass the players who score low. I would argue that spatial recognition tests and pattern recognition tests would probably be more applicable. Part of the test design IS pattern recognition--meaning, do you recognize the pattern of "If X costs Y, and you have Z quantity, how much is it worth"? The math itself isn't necessarily difficult, it's the idea of recognizing the pattern and knowing which solution fits it. There's more to the design of the test than listing 50 relatively easy questions on a page/screen. |
2012-04-04 9:47 AM in reply to: #4128505 |
Member 255 Lafayette, LA. | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? ChineseDemocracy - 2012-04-03 9:06 PM Seriously, the Wonderlic's a joke. I would love to see a legitimate scientific study comparing Wonderlic results with results on the field...taking into account draft position, etc. I have nothing to back it up, but my guess is that higher Wonderlic scores would have little to no correlation with performance on the field. I'd take Claiborne in the Top 10 without blinking an eye. The guy's a stud. Dan Patrick made a great point...players are going to start boycotting the test. Why take it? Dan Marino=16. Terry Bradshaw=15. A.J. Green=10. (I'd have drafted all three) btw, Marino was the 6th QB drafted in 1983...makes ya wonder if other teams were put off by his low Wonderlic. (sure, Elway and Kelly were excellent QBs, but Blackledge, Eason, and O'Brien, not so much) I think most teams were put off by the fact that Marino was a coke head. trav |
2012-04-04 9:50 AM in reply to: #4129342 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? TriRSquared - 2012-04-04 10:35 AM It has nothing to do with how he'll perform as a player however to give the kid a college degree is a disgrace to all those who actually earned their degrees. I understand that it's because of football programs that universities can have nice facilities and equipment but let's stop kidding ourselves here. Just start paying the players to play and don't make them take classes. It's obvious a lot of them are not anyway. ^^^ this |
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2012-04-04 9:55 AM in reply to: #4128321 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? Are you asking if he gives clearance? Oh wait, you said class... |
2012-04-04 10:05 AM in reply to: #4129398 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? trinnas - 2012-04-04 9:50 AM So NOT this. Before you hurt yourself jumping to conclusions, first read the Fox Sports article linked by trisagain on the first page. Then realize that Claiborne is leaving school as a junior, so your hallowed degree is still without disgrace.TriRSquared - 2012-04-04 10:35 AM It has nothing to do with how he'll perform as a player however to give the kid a college degree is a disgrace to all those who actually earned their degrees. I understand that it's because of football programs that universities can have nice facilities and equipment but let's stop kidding ourselves here. Just start paying the players to play and don't make them take classes. It's obvious a lot of them are not anyway. ^^^ this |
2012-04-04 10:37 AM in reply to: #4129398 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? trinnas - 2012-04-04 9:50 AM TriRSquared - 2012-04-04 10:35 AM It has nothing to do with how he'll perform as a player however to give the kid a college degree is a disgrace to all those who actually earned their degrees. I understand that it's because of football programs that universities can have nice facilities and equipment but let's stop kidding ourselves here. Just start paying the players to play and don't make them take classes. It's obvious a lot of them are not anyway. ^^^ this Disagree. He may not be a genius but he may have learned SOMETHING. Even a small amount of education is better than no eduction. He's getting paid anyway -- in scholarships. |
2012-04-04 10:45 AM in reply to: #4129449 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: How did he pass class? the bear - 2012-04-04 11:05 AM trinnas - 2012-04-04 9:50 AM So NOT this. Before you hurt yourself jumping to conclusions, first read the Fox Sports article linked by trisagain on the first page. Then realize that Claiborne is leaving school as a junior, so your hallowed degree is still without disgrace.TriRSquared - 2012-04-04 10:35 AM It has nothing to do with how he'll perform as a player however to give the kid a college degree is a disgrace to all those who actually earned their degrees. I understand that it's because of football programs that universities can have nice facilities and equipment but let's stop kidding ourselves here. Just start paying the players to play and don't make them take classes. It's obvious a lot of them are not anyway. ^^^ this I am sorry I read the ESPN article instead which said nothing about him leaving school. I do not feel the need to obsessivly read each article about yet another college athelete with limited intellectual skills. I sit next to them in class enough. |
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