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2012-05-23 8:34 AM |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? |
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2012-05-23 8:52 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Elite 3518 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I think people need to take responsibility for themselves. If it is going to be hot then they need to be ready for that. If they are newbies and are not used to racing in those conditions then they need to be smart. But there are others that want to race and are prepared for the heat. I think it is bunk! |
2012-05-23 8:54 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? Maybe I'm biased because I paid for the registration. And a hotel. And a car to drive up. And have a friend flying in from London to run it. But this is total bullpucky. I'm not signing up for and paying for any more summer races if they're just going to cancel them every time it's hot. Of course it's hot. IT'S FRICKIN SUMMERTIME!!! If you don't want a hot race, plan it for December. Bullpucky. |
2012-05-23 8:55 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? May 6th: La Crosse Marathon cancelled due to thunderstorms May 20th: Green Bay Marathon halted due to heat May 27th: Madison Marathon????? If you are a runner and live in the Wisconsin area, maybe it is best to run a marathon in the fall...then again even Chicago has had problems too. No situation will be perfect weather-wise. This is why I feel that it is important if you really want to run, to train in all conditions and not skip runs b/c it is too hot, snowy, rainy, etc. You never know what you are going to get for the weather in Wisconsin, best to be prepared for all conditions. It is very interesting though how many marathons (not just in Wisconsin) are starting to cancel more and more b/c of weather, or asking runners to defer to another year (Boston). People need to understand you can't PR these days and need to stop pushing themselves to that point. Your body cannot handle it, and more importantly the city only has so many resources to take care of runners. Green Bay ran out of medical personal on Sunday and yet many were upset by this, not knowing an entire city was still functioning and needed their own medical resources as well, what if a fire broke out? Marathons are cancelled and people are mad, they don't cancel and people are mad they don't have the resources or don't feel safe that enough medical is not on hand. I think it is becoming more of a loss/loss for the RD and to easy to put blame on them, when they have the best intentions for runners. Oh and refunds should never be expected, you should be aware of the potential threats going in. Permits/water/ice/staff/police/tents/food/etc were all ordered well in advance of the event so it is very hard to give any sort of a refund. |
2012-05-23 8:56 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
New user 247 Kenosha | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I agree. People who prepare correctly are ready for most conditions. They learn how to pace themselves and most do the right thing on race day. Unfortunately, it's those that aren't prepared that force race directors to consider cancellation/changing events. Good luck to any of the folks that are doing the race! |
2012-05-23 9:25 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Expert 799 Waukesha, WI | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I thought the Boston deferral this year was ridiculous especially for a race of that level. If you made it to Boston you should be smart enough to be able to deal with any race conditions. I heard Green Bay was ridiculously hot and the RD (actually it was the medical RD) made the right call because they were out of medical resources. The RD is a great one and his races are top notch. I am sure he took into account everything when he made the call. On the flip side though, people should take responsibility for themselves and stop if the feel like they cannot finish. To black flag a race that early means something went wrong a lot earlier than it should have. I don't know if they even had a top female finish?? As for Madison...they have Green Bay as an example and should figure it out that they need more resources so they don't have to call the race or advise people ahead of time that if they are not prepared don't race. |
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2012-05-23 9:40 AM in reply to: #4224764 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? bcagle25 - 2012-05-23 8:55 AM May 6th: La Crosse Marathon cancelled due to thunderstorms May 20th: Green Bay Marathon halted due to heat May 27th: Madison Marathon????? If you are a runner and live in the Wisconsin area, maybe it is best to run a marathon in the fall...then again even Chicago has had problems too. No situation will be perfect weather-wise. This is why I feel that it is important if you really want to run, to train in all conditions and not skip runs b/c it is too hot, snowy, rainy, etc. You never know what you are going to get for the weather in Wisconsin, best to be prepared for all conditions. It is very interesting though how many marathons (not just in Wisconsin) are starting to cancel more and more b/c of weather, or asking runners to defer to another year (Boston). People need to understand you can't PR these days and need to stop pushing themselves to that point. Your body cannot handle it, and more importantly the city only has so many resources to take care of runners. Green Bay ran out of medical personal on Sunday and yet many were upset by this, not knowing an entire city was still functioning and needed their own medical resources as well, what if a fire broke out? Marathons are cancelled and people are mad, they don't cancel and people are mad they don't have the resources or don't feel safe that enough medical is not on hand. I think it is becoming more of a loss/loss for the RD and to easy to put blame on them, when they have the best intentions for runners. Oh and refunds should never be expected, you should be aware of the potential threats going in. Permits/water/ice/staff/police/tents/food/etc were all ordered well in advance of the event so it is very hard to give any sort of a refund. So why schedule it for a summer month? It's no secret that it's hot in Madison in May. |
2012-05-23 9:47 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Elite 3656 West Allis, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? Seasonal temps in Madison are in the low 70s this time of year (race day average is 72). Right now Accuweather is showing a high of 90 for race day! that is quite a jump! but, like Lisa said, they know it will be warmer than normal (as was Boston this past year) and can try to get more staffing on the course and in the med tents along with more fluids and ice on the course. Tough call to make, but i think if they are going to cancel it before it starts then refunds should be given. If they black flag it during the event, then no to the refunds. Like i said tho, tough call. |
2012-05-23 9:55 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Expert 1121 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I sure hope GB didn't set a precedent for cancelling racing events. I do believe GB made a good call last weekend if they truly couldn't handle the medical emergencies. However, knowing what they know now they either need to plan for next year so that they can handle these emergencies OR they need to consider dropping this event if the race and medical facilities cannot support things when the temps get into the 80's. Cancellation of an event should be something very rare. As far as Madison, I did that event a few years ago when it was unseasonably hot (close to 90 degrees and terrible humidity). They did not cancel it that year and nobody died on the course. Madison appeared to be able to handle things based on everything I read. I'm sure there were heat-related medical emergencies, but that comes with the territory. Runners take risks every time they go out and race. It is the racer's responsibility to throttle back and to run smart. If cancelling races becomes a common occurrence every time the heat gets turned up I believe it will backfire on the race organizers because people will now wait until the day before the race to sign up. And even worse, this new found threat of cancellation may also start to put a damper on people's enthusiasm for races between May-September. All of this is bad for the many people who make A LOT of money off endurance sports in a time when the popularity of the sport is soaring. They might want to stop and think about what they are doing before they go down that road IMO. Just sayin'. |
2012-05-23 10:11 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Master 1980 Waukesha, WI | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? People just need to slow down and be happy with accomplishing the distance instead of being concerned about their time. Water water water. I am sure everyone that TRAINS in the summer slows down on their training runs, so why not during the race? Ultimately, it's the runners that are responsible for themselves....not the RD's. Don't we sign waivers when we sign up for these things? |
2012-05-23 10:19 AM in reply to: #4224884 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? mr2tony - 2012-05-23 9:40 AM bcagle25 - 2012-05-23 8:55 AM So why schedule it for a summer month? It's no secret that it's hot in Madison in May. May 6th: La Crosse Marathon cancelled due to thunderstorms May 20th: Green Bay Marathon halted due to heat May 27th: Madison Marathon????? If you are a runner and live in the Wisconsin area, maybe it is best to run a marathon in the fall...then again even Chicago has had problems too. No situation will be perfect weather-wise. This is why I feel that it is important if you really want to run, to train in all conditions and not skip runs b/c it is too hot, snowy, rainy, etc. You never know what you are going to get for the weather in Wisconsin, best to be prepared for all conditions. It is very interesting though how many marathons (not just in Wisconsin) are starting to cancel more and more b/c of weather, or asking runners to defer to another year (Boston). People need to understand you can't PR these days and need to stop pushing themselves to that point. Your body cannot handle it, and more importantly the city only has so many resources to take care of runners. Green Bay ran out of medical personal on Sunday and yet many were upset by this, not knowing an entire city was still functioning and needed their own medical resources as well, what if a fire broke out? Marathons are cancelled and people are mad, they don't cancel and people are mad they don't have the resources or don't feel safe that enough medical is not on hand. I think it is becoming more of a loss/loss for the RD and to easy to put blame on them, when they have the best intentions for runners. Oh and refunds should never be expected, you should be aware of the potential threats going in. Permits/water/ice/staff/police/tents/food/etc were all ordered well in advance of the event so it is very hard to give any sort of a refund. I have never understood why they schedule the Madison marathon over memorial day weekend. More importantly I don't understand why people are surprised its so hot over the weekend. I feel that they could have much better weather, and attendance if done earlier in the spring (late april/early may), just don't think it would be possible in the fall with football and all the other activities going on during the weekends. |
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2012-05-23 11:01 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Member 292 Marshfield Wi | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? It was a weird day to say the least. We knew it was hot but it wasn't a "heavy" humidity at 7am so I really wasn't too concerned as I was just doing the half. I pretty much kept pace for 5 miles but after that it dropped off. PR out the window so I took it easy, even walking a couple of aid stations in a half mary which I never thought that I would do. What surprised me was with under a mile left there were 2 guys needing attention. Lambeau field right there and they couldn't finish. I could only imagine how many people doing the full would blow up. It is easy to say, slow down stupid, but we all train to push through the pain and in a race common sense can be hard to come by. When the help is used up that early, sucks but I think they had to call it. No winners in a situation like that. |
2012-05-23 11:36 AM in reply to: #4224673 |
Extreme Veteran 668 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I think there needs to be a combination of some personal responsibility along with the event people being smart. IF the temps are going to be upper 80's or higher then it should maybe be cancelled or rescheduled because there are some that would do it regardless. If it's 80 then???? What if it's 80 and cloudy? We can go on forever. I have a race (duathlon in Occonomwoc ) on Sat and I sure hope they aren't talking about canceling that one! |
2012-05-23 1:48 PM in reply to: #4224884 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? mr2tony - 2012-05-23 9:40 AM bcagle25 - 2012-05-23 8:55 AM So why schedule it for a summer month? It's no secret that it's hot in Madison in May. May 6th: La Crosse Marathon cancelled due to thunderstorms May 20th: Green Bay Marathon halted due to heat May 27th: Madison Marathon????? If you are a runner and live in the Wisconsin area, maybe it is best to run a marathon in the fall...then again even Chicago has had problems too. No situation will be perfect weather-wise. This is why I feel that it is important if you really want to run, to train in all conditions and not skip runs b/c it is too hot, snowy, rainy, etc. You never know what you are going to get for the weather in Wisconsin, best to be prepared for all conditions. It is very interesting though how many marathons (not just in Wisconsin) are starting to cancel more and more b/c of weather, or asking runners to defer to another year (Boston). People need to understand you can't PR these days and need to stop pushing themselves to that point. Your body cannot handle it, and more importantly the city only has so many resources to take care of runners. Green Bay ran out of medical personal on Sunday and yet many were upset by this, not knowing an entire city was still functioning and needed their own medical resources as well, what if a fire broke out? Marathons are cancelled and people are mad, they don't cancel and people are mad they don't have the resources or don't feel safe that enough medical is not on hand. I think it is becoming more of a loss/loss for the RD and to easy to put blame on them, when they have the best intentions for runners. Oh and refunds should never be expected, you should be aware of the potential threats going in. Permits/water/ice/staff/police/tents/food/etc were all ordered well in advance of the event so it is very hard to give any sort of a refund. Technically, it's still Spring. Oh, and thanks for letting me know that you were doing the race. Edited by 1stTimeTri 2012-05-23 1:49 PM |
2012-05-23 7:10 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
19 | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I was at about mile 20 when they canceled the race in GB. There was a guy on a loudspeaker at a water station saying the race was canceled, the course would be closed and to step off the course and buses would be there shortly to take us back to Lambeau. As we waited for the buses, I noticed many runners ignored the announcement and kept running. Then later in an email the rd said a special thanks to all the volunteers at the water stations that stuck around to help the runners that finished. My complaint is if your going to cancel a race, then shut it down completely instead of saying its canceled and then leaving the course open.
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2012-05-23 7:16 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
Veteran 298 | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? In Wisconsin, we can blame it all on Summerfest and the poor preparation they had for a hot day. They set the precedence for RD's not wanting bad publicity. I for one put sole responsibility on the participants. Racers need to know when enough is enough. IF they don't know - charge them a nice fee for medical attention, this might deter the bullheaded ones. Besides, I wish they would have called Ironman last year when it got hot - that run sure did suck in the heat. |
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2012-05-23 7:41 PM in reply to: #4226225 |
Regular 98 Verona, WI | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I know it is disappointing to train for a marathon and wind up in a half but Spring marathons can be particularly risky as it is easy to misjudge one's ability to put up with the heat. Would add that until I suffered from heat exhaustion I honestly didn't know what it was like. Few cramps, what's the big deal? I've had cramps before and kept going (but in retrospect I realize now I've never done that in the heat)? Can't keep liquids down, now that was a shock and I knew it was time for a visit to the doctor. Would say the race director made the right decision. Half-marathon is a good compromise. |
2012-05-23 8:29 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
Member 78 | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I'm signed up for the marathon. I'm very upset that it probably won't happen. I wish they'd let us run the race we paid for or switch to the half. Right now, a half just feels like a short training run. |
2012-05-23 10:12 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
Expert 1105 Milwaukee, WI | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? For those signed up for the Madison marathon...what was the high temperature for your longest training run? I ran the GB marathon half-marathon. Of my long runs, the highest temperature was about 65. To all of a sudden run in 80-90 degree heat with bright sun and NO cloud cover? I don't believe that the body of an average athlete can handle that comfortably. Bottom line...the idiots who put on the Summerfest 2011 race f'ed things up for everyone. Amazing to me that those incompetent fools are still affecting races all over the state. |
2012-05-25 6:07 AM in reply to: #4226424 |
Veteran 279 | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? tall_tri_dad - 2012-05-23 10:12 PM For those signed up for the Madison marathon...what was the high temperature for your longest training run? I ran the GB marathon half-marathon. Of my long runs, the highest temperature was about 65. To all of a sudden run in 80-90 degree heat with bright sun and NO cloud cover? I don't believe that the body of an average athlete can handle that comfortably. Bottom line...the idiots who put on the Summerfest 2011 race f'ed things up for everyone. Amazing to me that those incompetent fools are still affecting races all over the state. Totally agree. This is so incredibly frustrating - it just isn't THAT hot out but idiots who don't plan ahead and USE THEIR BRAINS are ruining things for everyone. GB should not have had to been cancelled - but the RD absolutely made the right call. What are you going to do if you've got a bunch of macho runners out there bullying their way to the finish, ignoring their bodies? How about some personal accountability, folks! |
2012-05-25 1:13 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
Veteran 268 Germantown, WI | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? I am not signed up for this but if I was I would be really upset. This would stop me from signing up for this race in the future. I agree with what others have said that the individual runners need to take responsibility. Slow down if you are not feeling good and pay attention to your body. I also think that some of the problem (not just talking about this race but others I have seen lately) is that people are very unprepared to run these longer distances. People who think 6 months out that it would be a great idea to run a marathon and then don't put in the proper training. Again not saying this is all people but some of the problem. What is the solution to that? Should people have to submit a qualifying half marathon finish within so many months to sign up for a marathon? I don't know. Back to the current "problem". If the RD's think temperatures will climb by 10:00 in the morning, why do they wait to start races until 7:00 or 7:30? When I did the Disney races in January, they started at 5:30 in the morning. Yes it was dark, but it was cool and the heat of the day did not set in until most people were finished. It is light enought around here these days to be able to start at 5:30 without safety issues. |
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2012-05-25 1:48 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
Veteran 194 Germantown, 'Sconsin | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? Update: Madison Full Marathon has been canceled. All Full participants are not slotted for 1/2 Mary. They will receive a credit towards registration for 2013 Full Marathon. |
2012-05-25 2:03 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
Veteran 298 | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? From the MM Website (emphasis added): "Kelliher said full marathon registrants will automatically be entered into the half marathon. Full marathoners who choose to run the half will receive a full marathon medal at the finish line. Marathoners can get their marathon t-shirt at the Runners Expo at Monona Terrace (Friday, 4-7 p.m and Saturday 9 a.m.-6 p.m.) or have it mailed to them at their request postage-free. Each full marathon entrant, regardless if he or she chooses to run in the half, will receive a $20 credit for the 2013 Madison Marathon" Seems like a good trade off to me. Can I get an IM finishers medal for doing a sprint tri? Sure would save me a lot of work. I'm sure the race costs more than $20. So in the end the customer gets screwed - he doesn't get the product he ordered and he doesn't get his money back. Go figure. |
2012-05-25 2:13 PM in reply to: #4229499 |
Expert 1121 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? cweninger - 2012-05-25 2:03 PM From the MM Website (emphasis added): "Kelliher said full marathon registrants will automatically be entered into the half marathon. Full marathoners who choose to run the half will receive a full marathon medal at the finish line. Marathoners can get their marathon t-shirt at the Runners Expo at Monona Terrace (Friday, 4-7 p.m and Saturday 9 a.m.-6 p.m.) or have it mailed to them at their request postage-free. Each full marathon entrant, regardless if he or she chooses to run in the half, will receive a $20 credit for the 2013 Madison Marathon" Seems like a good trade off to me. Can I get an IM finishers medal for doing a sprint tri? Sure would save me a lot of work. I'm sure the race costs more than $20. So in the end the customer gets screwed - he doesn't get the product he ordered and he doesn't get his money back. Go figure. ooooh....I like that Clint. Perhaps I can get an IM finisher medal right now because I hear it will certainly be warm on Sept 9th. If they could just Fedex the medal to me at home, that would be best. THANKS! |
2012-05-25 3:04 PM in reply to: #4224673 |
Veteran 298 | Subject: RE: i find this interesting.....any thoughts? Attention! Attention! Attention! The Habanero Race Series is now here! This race series is composed of many scenic and challenging courses that are much to hot to handle. Here is how it works: Send us your $$$$$ and we'll send you a medal of your choosing! You heard it right folks - all you have to do is send us some dough, say it is too hot to race, and we'll give you a slightly used medal - you choose the distance - 5k,10K, half marathon, up to a full marathon - yes a full marathon. More race series to come soon like the Wind Chill Its too Cold series, the Tornado, its too Windy Series and my favorite Detective Series for those that do not have a clue. Thank you for your support We look forward to seeing you soon. The Mucho Caliente Promotion Company |
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