Bike gear ratio / cassette question
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2012-06-20 12:25 PM |
Veteran 149 | Subject: Bike gear ratio / cassette question I have a cervelo p2 with stock cassette and stock crankset. Sometimes the highest gear just isn't enough and I wish I had another gear. This is my first tri bike where I take it the gearing ratios are lower because I never felt this way on my road bike. Im more of a power rider and like to keep cadence in 85 range and power my legs. I recently did a sprint tri and averaged 23mph in w a cadence of 85. It's also rare on steep hill that I even use the lowest gear or even change out of the big gear on the crankset. What should I do? Do I change the cassette? Change the crankset (which I would guess cost more)? If so what would I want to buy? I went to a local store here in the city and they thought I was crazy when I told them I felt like I ran out of gears. Once they made me feel that way I left. Thanks.
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2012-06-20 12:39 PM in reply to: #4271751 |
Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Smaller cassette, i.e. 12-23, 12-21. On the cassette, the lower the number, the bigger (faster) gear it is. Many people swap out cassettes based on course profiles |
2012-06-20 12:49 PM in reply to: #4271751 |
Expert 1557 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question What year is the bike? Looking at 2011 and 2012, the P2 has a compact (50/34) on the front and 12/25 cassette. I could see how with that setup on fairly flat courses you could run out of gears. It really depends on what type of terrain you usually bike on and where your races will be. Really you only have one choice, and that would be to get a standard crankset (53/39) if you want more gears. You could go from a 12/25 to 11/25 and that would give you one more gear. But if you want more than that the standard crank is the way to go. HERE is a really great article that explains it all and the differences you can see. |
2012-06-20 2:36 PM in reply to: #4271751 |
Expert 1111 Albuquerque, NM | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Here is a great online calculator I found that will let you compare what you have to what you might want: http://www.gear-calculator.com |
2012-06-20 2:53 PM in reply to: #4271751 |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question if you've got a compact in the front, and you're running out of top end- it's very likely because you've got a 12-25 on the back. Your tallest gear, a 50/12 will require 100rpm cadence just to go 32.5mph. A pretty easy speed to hit on a little downhill or with a tailwind or in strong group ride. What you need is an 11-25 or an 11-23 if there aren't steeper hills in the area. It's an easy and inexpensive swap. Get yourself a chain whip and a cassette tool- and you can do these yourself in a few minutes. the 50/11 will get you out to 35 or 36mph before you get over 100rpm. If you need to power over 40mph on a downhill- then you can look to a bigger chainring. But for now- just a cassette change. easy peasy. the main disadvantage of going from an 12-25 to an 11-25 is that you lose the 16 cog, which is right in the sweet spot of a little over 20mph. I like this guy's gear calculator http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/shift.html Edited by morey000 2012-06-20 2:56 PM |
2012-06-20 8:23 PM in reply to: #4271751 |
Veteran 572 Hudson Valley | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Another choice is a larger chainring set: 42t inner and 55 or 56t outer. A 56-12 will be more efficient than a similar gear of 50-11. In general, larger chainrings and cogs will be more efficient than smaller cahinrings and cogs for the same gear ratio. For BT poster to help you we'll need to know what size chainrings and cassette you have. |
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2012-06-21 8:20 AM in reply to: #4272567 |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Six000MileYear - 2012-06-20 6:23 PM Another choice is a larger chainring set: 42t inner and 55 or 56t outer. A 56-12 will be more efficient than a similar gear of 50-11. In general, larger chainrings and cogs will be more efficient than smaller cahinrings and cogs for the same gear ratio. For BT poster to help you we'll need to know what size chainrings and cassette you have.
Really? he's got a compact with a 110mm bolt circle. you think he should change out his whole crankset to go with a beast of a chainring that few pro cyclists can even push- just to get another high speed gear? |
2012-06-21 9:02 AM in reply to: #4271751 |
Veteran 149 | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Thanks for all the advice. I have a 2009 cervelo p2. Im not even sure what cassette it has. Whatever was stock with the bike. |
2012-06-21 9:39 AM in reply to: #4273162 |
Extreme Veteran 335 Straight outta Central Flurrrrrida | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Jrdimaur - 2012-06-21 9:02 AM Thanks for all the advice. I have a 2009 cervelo p2. Im not even sure what cassette it has. Whatever was stock with the bike. Count the protrusions on the first cog (smallest on the cassette). Theres your first #. Do the same for the largest cog and there's your 2nd #. |
2012-06-21 10:23 AM in reply to: #4273050 |
Veteran 572 Hudson Valley | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Really? he's got a compact with a 110mm bolt circle. you think he should change out his whole crankset to go with a beast of a chainring that few pro cyclists can even push- just to get another high speed gear? I just checked Bikepedia and Cervelo website and I was very surprised 50/34 compact cranks come stock. My recommendation is to buy a 53/39standard road crank. You can get a new Ultegra 6600 in the $150 range. A gearing of 53-12 will be more efficient than a 50-11 because the links don't have to pivot as much. Another benefit is you will be able to keep your cadence ( and heartrate) in a narrower range since the % change cog to cog will be less for the same speed as a compact crank. |
2012-06-21 3:31 PM in reply to: #4273366 |
Regular 130 So Cal | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question Six000MileYear - 2012-06-21 10:23 AM Or... For about $72, he can use his existing Compact crank and install 52/38T 110BCD chainrings made by FSA. The net gain with a 52/12 combo is greater than 50/12 but not more than a 50/11. The overall mid-range with a 52T will provide more gear inches from cog to cog.Really? he's got a compact with a 110mm bolt circle. you think he should change out his whole crankset to go with a beast of a chainring that few pro cyclists can even push- just to get another high speed gear? I just checked Bikepedia and Cervelo website and I was very surprised 50/34 compact cranks come stock. My recommendation is to buy a 53/39standard road crank. You can get a new Ultegra 6600 in the $150 range. A gearing of 53-12 will be more efficient than a 50-11 because the links don't have to pivot as much. Another benefit is you will be able to keep your cadence ( and heartrate) in a narrower range since the % change cog to cog will be less for the same speed as a compact crank. A new chain or additional links and an adjustment to the FD will be in order whether upgrading to a standard crank or larger chainrings. |
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2012-06-21 3:37 PM in reply to: #4273266 |
Extreme Veteran 875 Issaquah | Subject: RE: Bike gear ratio / cassette question flashpoint145 - 2012-06-21 7:39 AM Jrdimaur - 2012-06-21 9:02 AM Thanks for all the advice. I have a 2009 cervelo p2. Im not even sure what cassette it has. Whatever was stock with the bike. Count the protrusions on the first cog (smallest on the cassette). Theres your first #. Do the same for the largest cog and there's your 2nd #. Save yourself 3 minutes and just look for the stamping of how many teeth is on the gear. Sometimes hard to see, but you cogs will be stamped with the # of teeth somewhere along the side facing out away from the hub. |